Tigers on the Hunt

[RyanE]

The multi-story thing bugs me a little.  In any semi-urban area, that height advantage can be a difference maker.  I always remember BFC trying to rationalize the lack of enterable buildings in Theater of War.  It kind of reminds me of that.

With that said, once I am over the nostalgia rush of it looking like ASL.  I remember why games like Steel Panthers turned me off with the turn-based gaminess with weird fire and movement happenings.

[Redirected]

This game REALLY needs a demo

[MikeGER]

This game REALLY needs a demo

short before the release Slitherine often likes to show a 1 hour introduction with playthrouh on their Twitch channel
I hope this will be the case with TotH too
(the broadcast stays accessible as a replay at Twitch for some time, and a day or two later usually show up at YT too for those who miss the live feed)

[Barthheart]

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1:  I don't understand why you've bothered to try and do graphic counters.  They're unnecessary in a game of this type -- I don't like them at ALL in Tiller's Panzer Battles -- and I've not seen a hint of NATO.  Frankly, I've come to find graphic counter design on the PC to be chimerical, but that's another conversation.
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This must be yer Jack and Schnapps talking here. What squad level board game uses NATO icons? None that I can think of. So why would you expect a squad level PC game that's based on a board game to have NATO icons?  ???

I do agree with Doug a bit on the look of the graphics but the only thing that really gets to me is the non-top down, non-rotating vehicles.....

I'll still probably pick this up in the first week though... depending on the price....

[panzerde]

I do agree with Doug a bit on the look of the graphics but the only thing that really gets to me is the non-top down, non-rotating vehicles.....

I'll still probably pick this up in the first week though... depending on the price....

Top down vehicles, even if they didn't rotate their turrets, would be an improvement. I see on the Matrix forums where Ritchie61 has done some nice modding, but the mod depends on ASL graphics. That's cool if it's your choice to make the game look like ASL, but I sure with the game had it's own distinctive look beyond the really unfortunate graphics it has.

[Richie61]

I did a pre release SL/ ASL mod. It's really easy to make mods and people with more skills than I can do lots of different images. I did these since the game was inspired by ASL and it reminds me of pushing
counters around my Squad Leader boards in 1979  ;D

[KyzBP]

Ritchie's ASL mod alone tempts me.

[Sir Slash]

You're making me HOTTER!!!

[Strela]

Two thoughts, both of which stun me as I write them as this is the sort of a game that, like Doug, I should be purchasing day one...

1:  I don't understand why you've bothered to try and do graphic counters.  They're unnecessary in a game of this type -- I don't like them at ALL in Tiller's Panzer Battles -- and I've not seen a hint of NATO.  Frankly, I've come to find graphic counter design on the PC to be chimerical, but that's another conversation.

Hi Cyrano,

You realise there are three choices of counter sets in Panzer battles, switchable on the fly and can be configured differently at each zoom level?? Check under the Settings menu, because there is a hint of Nato there...!!!

David

[Zulu1966]

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1:  I don't understand why you've bothered to try and do graphic counters.  They're unnecessary in a game of this type -- I don't like them at ALL in Tiller's Panzer Battles -- and I've not seen a hint of NATO.  Frankly, I've come to find graphic counter design on the PC to be chimerical, but that's another conversation.
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This must be yer Jack and Schnapps talking here. What squad level board game uses NATO icons? None that I can think of. So why would you expect a squad level PC game that's based on a board game to have NATO icons?  ???

I do agree with Doug a bit on the look of the graphics but the only thing that really gets to me is the non-top down, non-rotating vehicles.....

I'll still probably pick this up in the first week though... depending on the price....

Agree with this. Personally think Nato icons would be out of place at this scale. I don't really have an issue with the graphics - I think they look ok. Top down would only interest me if they reflected the actual facing of the vehicle or weapon as Barthheart says.

A Bigger stopper for me is the lack of hexside terrain and multi storey buildings - but prepared to wait and see whether that abstraction takes away from the game too much.

When it comes to tactical combat my biggest hurdle is there has to be a reason I would play it over combat mission - which as far as immersion, tactical fidelity etc is in a league of its own.

Even so - this may be one of those buys to fund future development games.

[jomni]

Two thoughts, both of which stun me as I write them as this is the sort of a game that, like Doug, I should be purchasing day one...

1:  I don't understand why you've bothered to try and do graphic counters.  They're unnecessary in a game of this type -- I don't like them at ALL in Tiller's Panzer Battles -- and I've not seen a hint of NATO.  Frankly, I've come to find graphic counter design on the PC to be chimerical, but that's another conversation.

Hi Cyrano,

You realise there are three choices of counter sets in Panzer battles, switchable on the fly and can be configured differently at each zoom level?? Check under the Settings menu, because there is a hint of Nato there...!!!

David

Panzer Battles is not squad-level.  A unit is a platoon.
Nevertheless, here are the Squad Battles NATO symbols.  Actually symbols for sections and squads.  Doesn't really do anything fancy.  I prefer the portraits.

[Strela]

Hi Jomni,

I wasn't so much commenting on Panzer Battles being squad level, but rather ensuring Cyrano knows there are options to the graphics displayed in game. He specifically called out the portraits in Normandy as not being to his liking and I wanted to handle that.

I have my own thread and don't want to hijack this one!   ;)

David

[Bardolph]

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1:  I don't understand why you've bothered to try and do graphic counters.  They're unnecessary in a game of this type -- I don't like them at ALL in Tiller's Panzer Battles -- and I've not seen a hint of NATO.  Frankly, I've come to find graphic counter design on the PC to be chimerical, but that's another conversation.
....

This must be yer Jack and Schnapps talking here. What squad level board game uses NATO icons? None that I can think of. So why would you expect a squad level PC game that's based on a board game to have NATO icons?  ???

Grunt                        SPI
Search and Destroy   SPI
Tobruk                     Avalon Hill
Air Cav                     West End

Air Cav is the only one since Squad Leader that I can think of. Doesn't mean NATO icons are bad as much as it means everyone wants to be like Squad Leader. ;)

[Barthheart]

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1:  I don't understand why you've bothered to try and do graphic counters.  They're unnecessary in a game of this type -- I don't like them at ALL in Tiller's Panzer Battles -- and I've not seen a hint of NATO.  Frankly, I've come to find graphic counter design on the PC to be chimerical, but that's another conversation.
....

This must be yer Jack and Schnapps talking here. What squad level board game uses NATO icons? None that I can think of. So why would you expect a squad level PC game that's based on a board game to have NATO icons?  ???

Grunt                        SPI
Search and Destroy   SPI
Tobruk                     Avalon Hill
Air Cav                     West End

Air Cav is the only one since Squad Leader that I can think of. Doesn't mean NATO icons are bad as much as it means everyone wants to be like Squad Leader. ;)

Thanks for that. I've never played nor seen any of those..... will have to look them up.

[Cyrano]

I love you guys so awfully much...in a completely manly, oh Lord NOW we're drunk kind of way...

@Barth:  I wasn't the one singing the praises of the Red Dragon or whatever the Hell else they called that thing.  Not saying I'm certain it was you, but it certainly wasn't me.  Others have already heaped opprobrium on your permafrosted head re: no NATO symbols in squad level games.

@Strela:  Yep, those NATO counters are the only way I can play this game I have come to love so very much.  I was only remarking that for me at least the other stuff was wasted effort.  In this regard one need only see the very interesting, to me at least, debate over at the CS:ME threads re: 2D versus 3D units.

...and the lack of MP remains difficult for me to comprehend.