Star Trek series coming in 2017

[bbmike]

Well, god bless you both anyway for leaving out those two recent Trek Wars garbage movies!  O0

Dude, have you actually *watched* TMP lately?  Or even in the last ten years?  I mean, I totally respect that it's the first Trek film and all, but seriously, there's a reason it almost killed the franchise.  O:-) 

You must understand I was 13 when I saw it. My love for Star Trek started at a very early age. To see it on the big screen was, well, awesome. Yeah, it's not the best of the movies but it IS Star Trek. And actually, I think it was key to saving the franchise. Star Trek II would have been very different had the first movie been any different.  :)

[mirth]

The thing is that there was a decent movie lost in the hours of special effects of TMP. And it was more real science fiction than the rest of the movies tended to have (they're heavy on the fiction, light on the science). Anyway, my opinion of TMP has gone way up over the years as the franchise has produced some real turkeys.

Most of my problems with Undiscovered Country stem from sloppy writing/storytelling. The Klingon quoting Shakespeare was a lazy recreation of Khan quoting Moby Dick. And c'mon that galley scene was redonkulous! Since TOS, replicators have been beaten into our brains and then all of a sudden the Enterprise has a full friggin galley! WTF?! Oh and on top of that, there's a phaser mounted on the wall IN THE GALLEY! Sure that makes total sense! 

I expected much better from the man who directed (and largely wrote) Wrath of Khan.

[BanzaiCat]

The Klingon quoting Shakespeare was a lazy recreation of Khan quoting Moby Dick.

That's a running gag, though, throughout the series but especially the films. "There is an old Vulcan proverb: only Nixon could go to China." I didn't see it as at all serious; it was yet another one of many such gags.

And c'mon that galley scene was redonkulous! Since TOS, replicators have been beaten into our brains and then all of a sudden the Enterprise has a full friggin galley! WTF?!

Easy, big boy. There is indeed a full galley; it's mostly used for special occasions like a Flag Admiral being present or other such celebratory things. Not all Starfleet ships have them, but since the Enterprise is up there (as are all ships in her class), they have the set-up to handle just about any occasion, from space bar mitzvahs to burfdays or whatever.

Oh and on top of that, there's a phaser mounted on the wall IN THE GALLEY! Sure that makes total sense! 

Well..."plot device."

Or you could explain it away by saying maybe they were at a higher level of alert, so weapons get distributed to easy-to-reach places? I know that's super-weak, but I'm tryin'!

[bbmike]

Easy, big boy. There is indeed a full galley; it's mostly used for special occasions like a Flag Admiral being present or other such celebratory things. Not all Starfleet ships have them, but since the Enterprise is up there (as are all ships in her class), they have the set-up to handle just about any occasion, from space bar mitzvahs to burfdays or whatever.

But in Journey to Babel they fed the diplomats those funny colored cube thingys!

[mirth]

Oh and don't get me started on Spock's new female Vulcan protege who quotes regs to Kirk exactly like Saavik did in Wrath of Khan! And Imam having the hots for old, fat Kirk and every other rehashed Star Trek plot element they could cram into the damned film!!!!

[mirth]

Easy, big boy. There is indeed a full galley; it's mostly used for special occasions like a Flag Admiral being present or other such celebratory things. Not all Starfleet ships have them, but since the Enterprise is up there (as are all ships in her class), they have the set-up to handle just about any occasion, from space bar mitzvahs to burfdays or whatever.

But in Journey to Babel they fed the diplomats those funny colored cube thingys!

Andorian and Tellarite ambassadors don't warrant special treatment.

[BanzaiCat]

I'm not sure that the Constitution-class actually had full galleys or not. The NX-01 class did, but we don't see an example of that again until ST VI. That I know of, anyway.

[mirth]

I'm not sure that the Constitution-class actually had full galleys or not. The NX-01 class did, but we don't see an example of that again until ST VI. That I know of, anyway.

So the first time we actually see a friggin galley on a Federation Starship is in Undiscovered Country.  Enterprise came years later and they retconned so much shit into that show we'd need to start a new thread just for bitching about that.

I'll grant you this much, since they were being sent on a history making rendezvous with the Klingon Chancellor, maybe the party planners at Star Fleet decided to install a galley before they left Space Dock.  That's a stretch, but I could buy it. The phaser  mounted on the galley wall?  Um no.

[BanzaiCat]

I'll grant you this much, since they were being sent on a history making rendezvous with the Klingon Chancellor, maybe the party planners at Star Fleet decided to install a galley before they left Space Dock.  That's a stretch, but I could buy it. The phaser  mounted on the galley wall?  Um no.

I have the deck plans for the Constitution-class somewhere but don't feel like digging them out (plus I'm not exactly sure where they are, so there's that).

Phaser-on-the-wall...dunno what to tell you other than what I said...or maybe that G'ak gets ornery sometimes and objects to being served as dinner, and needs a reminder of who is at the top of the food chain?

[mirth]

I don't want an explanation. It was stupid.

And I want to see those deck plans. Are they the official Andrew Probert plans?

[BanzaiCat]

No, it's these:

http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/star-trek-blueprints.php

My grandfather gave me this back in 1975. My copies are pretty worn.

[mirth]

I don't see a galley.

[BanzaiCat]

And you probably won't, since none of the images link to actual full-sized blueprints (except the last one, but that's just the nacelle).

[mirth]

I used to have a set of these.

http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/star-trek-the-motion-picture.php

Wish I still had them.

[BanzaiCat]

^ A friend of mine had those. I remember being really excited to see them, but when I did, I was pretty much WTF because there were no actual decks depicted like in the 1975 set. That was very disappointing.

He did have a pretty sweet timeline book that showed space travel from Sputnik to Star Trek. Pretty cool stuff.