The Forgotten Holocaust Survivors

Started by Boggit, April 23, 2016, 10:05:39 PM

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Boggit

I saw this earlier this evening. It may be of interest to anyone with holocaust survivors in their family or circle of friends, whether in Israel or elsewhere.
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/unreported-world/on-demand/63201-006

It is very sad that many of these people who have been through so much are left in poverty... and yet Germany has paid millions as "compensation", which doesn't seem to be targeted as well as it should. It is also interesting that any holocaust survivor arriving in Israel after 1953 (according to the program) is entitled to help from the Claims Conference in New York if they have not had any yet.
http://www.claimscon.org/about/

This relates to the compensation scheme set up in the Central/Eastern European states of the EU...
http://www.claimscon.org/about/history/closed-programs/hvcf/
The most shocking fact about war is that its victims and its instruments are individual human beings, and that these individual beings are condemned by the monstrous conventions of politics to murder or be murdered in quarrels not their own. Aldous Huxley

Foul Temptress! (Mirth replying to Gus) ;)

On a good day, our legislature has the prestige of a drunk urinating on a wall at 4am and getting most of it on his shoe. On a good day  ::) Steelgrave

It's kind of silly to investigate whether or not a Clinton is lying. That's sort of like investigating why the sky is blue. Banzai_Cat

Tpek

Quote from: Boggit on April 23, 2016, 10:05:39 PM
I saw this earlier this evening. It may be of interest to anyone with holocaust survivors in their family or circle of friends, whether in Israel or elsewhere.
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/unreported-world/on-demand/63201-006

It is very sad that many of these people who have been through so much are left in poverty... and yet Germany has paid millions as "compensation", which doesn't seem to be targeted as well as it should. It is also interesting that any holocaust survivor arriving in Israel after 1953 (according to the program) is entitled to help from the Claims Conference in New York if they have not had any yet.
http://www.claimscon.org/about/

This relates to the compensation scheme set up in the Central/Eastern European states of the EU...
http://www.claimscon.org/about/history/closed-programs/hvcf/

Let's just say that if any citizen here is entitled to some well deserved money, our government will do its outmost to make sure they get it instead.  >:(

Boggit

Quote from: Tpek on April 25, 2016, 05:34:30 AM
Quote from: Boggit on April 23, 2016, 10:05:39 PM
I saw this earlier this evening. It may be of interest to anyone with holocaust survivors in their family or circle of friends, whether in Israel or elsewhere.
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/unreported-world/on-demand/63201-006

It is very sad that many of these people who have been through so much are left in poverty... and yet Germany has paid millions as "compensation", which doesn't seem to be targeted as well as it should. It is also interesting that any holocaust survivor arriving in Israel after 1953 (according to the program) is entitled to help from the Claims Conference in New York if they have not had any yet.
http://www.claimscon.org/about/

This relates to the compensation scheme set up in the Central/Eastern European states of the EU...
http://www.claimscon.org/about/history/closed-programs/hvcf/

Let's just say that if any citizen here is entitled to some well deserved money, our government will do its outmost to make sure they get it instead.  >:(
@Tpek :)
Is the report inaccurate? It gave me the definite impression that many people who had survived the Holocaust were slipping through the net and not getting the money due to them, particularly if they came to Israel before 1953. Clearly there are sources of help, but the report was saying that people were not even getting advice on what was due to them. One woman featured was being helped by an Israeli lawyer, and it appeared she was due about 2,500 euros... and she was reported as being in her 80's.

I didn't post this thread to snipe at Israel, but to raise the profile of what appears to be an issue for people who had suffered in the camps, and now did not seem to be getting enough to live on. I didn't make the report, so if the report is inaccurate please say why it is so.
The most shocking fact about war is that its victims and its instruments are individual human beings, and that these individual beings are condemned by the monstrous conventions of politics to murder or be murdered in quarrels not their own. Aldous Huxley

Foul Temptress! (Mirth replying to Gus) ;)

On a good day, our legislature has the prestige of a drunk urinating on a wall at 4am and getting most of it on his shoe. On a good day  ::) Steelgrave

It's kind of silly to investigate whether or not a Clinton is lying. That's sort of like investigating why the sky is blue. Banzai_Cat

Tpek

Quote from: Boggit on April 25, 2016, 10:59:30 AM
Quote from: Tpek on April 25, 2016, 05:34:30 AM
Quote from: Boggit on April 23, 2016, 10:05:39 PM
I saw this earlier this evening. It may be of interest to anyone with holocaust survivors in their family or circle of friends, whether in Israel or elsewhere.
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/unreported-world/on-demand/63201-006

It is very sad that many of these people who have been through so much are left in poverty... and yet Germany has paid millions as "compensation", which doesn't seem to be targeted as well as it should. It is also interesting that any holocaust survivor arriving in Israel after 1953 (according to the program) is entitled to help from the Claims Conference in New York if they have not had any yet.
http://www.claimscon.org/about/

This relates to the compensation scheme set up in the Central/Eastern European states of the EU...
http://www.claimscon.org/about/history/closed-programs/hvcf/

Let's just say that if any citizen here is entitled to some well deserved money, our government will do its outmost to make sure they get it instead.  >:(
@Tpek :)
Is the report inaccurate? It gave me the definite impression that many people who had survived the Holocaust were slipping through the net and not getting the money due to them, particularly if they came to Israel before 1953. Clearly there are sources of help, but the report was saying that people were not even getting advice on what was due to them. One woman featured was being helped by an Israeli lawyer, and it appeared she was due about 2,500 euros... and she was reported as being in her 80's.

I didn't post this thread to snipe at Israel, but to raise the profile of what appears to be an issue for people who had suffered in the camps, and now did not seem to be getting enough to live on. I didn't make the report, so if the report is inaccurate please say why it is so.

I'm not mad at you, I'm mad at our crappy government(s).
It's their fault many holocaust survivors live in poverty.

JasonPratt

TPek meant that the government would see that the government ("they") will get the money other people deserve instead.
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Boggit

Quote from: Tpek on April 26, 2016, 01:25:37 PM
I'm not mad at you, I'm mad at our crappy government(s).
It's their fault many holocaust survivors live in poverty.
@Tpek :)
Yes, my error. I misread your post and was scratching my head at why you appeared angry at mine. :2funny:

Anyway, I thought the report disturbing. Apparently a lot of the money due Holocaust survivors goes to "good causes" but not to all survivors. Even the Claims Conference apparently had an embezzlement scandal costing millions of euros a few years ago, but the panel trustees still remain in their posts. Clearly, there has been a lot of money earmarked for the survivors, but many don't seem to be getting it.

It is all very sad. The survivors have been through a truly horrendous time - one of the interviewees had her entire family killed in front of her (and she was left for dead) just before the Russians liberated her camp. She was clearly still traumatised - even in her eighties, and yet she and other Holocaust survivors were searching for food thrown away at a Tel Aviv market just to survive, as she had insufficient money to live properly. She and her fellow survivors were being helped by volunteers who were also angry at their treatment. I thought the whole matter was scandalous considering what they have been through - especially as they are entitled to help with considerable monies set aside for that purpose. :(
The most shocking fact about war is that its victims and its instruments are individual human beings, and that these individual beings are condemned by the monstrous conventions of politics to murder or be murdered in quarrels not their own. Aldous Huxley

Foul Temptress! (Mirth replying to Gus) ;)

On a good day, our legislature has the prestige of a drunk urinating on a wall at 4am and getting most of it on his shoe. On a good day  ::) Steelgrave

It's kind of silly to investigate whether or not a Clinton is lying. That's sort of like investigating why the sky is blue. Banzai_Cat

Boggit

Quote from: JasonPratt on April 27, 2016, 03:11:11 PM
TPek meant that the government would see that the government ("they") will get the money other people deserve instead.
Thanks Jason. O0 I misread his post. My fault going online when I should have been asleep in bed! ::)
The most shocking fact about war is that its victims and its instruments are individual human beings, and that these individual beings are condemned by the monstrous conventions of politics to murder or be murdered in quarrels not their own. Aldous Huxley

Foul Temptress! (Mirth replying to Gus) ;)

On a good day, our legislature has the prestige of a drunk urinating on a wall at 4am and getting most of it on his shoe. On a good day  ::) Steelgrave

It's kind of silly to investigate whether or not a Clinton is lying. That's sort of like investigating why the sky is blue. Banzai_Cat