Star Trek: Roddenberry Almost Killed TNG?

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May 30, 2016, 10:25:23 PM
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mirth

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May 31, 2016, 07:50:02 AM
Interesting read.
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May 31, 2016, 08:40:25 AM
Agreed. I knew that the production of TNG was anything but a utopian universe but the details are, um, fascinating.

To be honest I think Roddenberry had his share of good ideas but some of my least favorite episodes of both TOS and TNG are the ones where he got all preachy on us. And I absolutely loved "Conspiracy". I always had hoped they would have followed up on that story arc. They end of the episode certainly left them a chance to do that.
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mirth

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May 31, 2016, 08:50:58 AM
I really hoped they would follow-up on the Conspiracy story line. It certainly had potential and it was an excellent early TNG episode.

I don't want to posthumously bash Roddenberry too much, but it's well known that he was problematic when it came to TNG. The first season was pretty awful and that's when his influence was greatest.
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Sir Slash

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May 31, 2016, 10:31:57 AM
Remember the episode where the Security Head girl got drunk and did it with Data? He told her he was programmed to be able to perform just like a human-- which was probably a little disappointing for her. But who would program a cyborg to have sex.......?
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mirth

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May 31, 2016, 10:39:33 AM
Quote from: Sir Slash on May 31, 2016, 10:31:57 AM
But who would program a cyborg to have sex.......?

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"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus

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#6
May 31, 2016, 10:41:56 AM
Quote from: mirth on May 31, 2016, 08:50:58 AM
I really hoped they would follow-up on the Conspiracy story line. It certainly had potential and it was an excellent early TNG episode.

I don't want to posthumously bash Roddenberry too much, but it's well known that he was problematic when it came to TNG. The first season was pretty awful and that's when his influence was greatest.

Season 1 had some gems but it was a real rollercoaster in terms of quality.
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mirth

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May 31, 2016, 10:47:25 AM
There were some moments in S1 and at the time I was just happy to have Trek back on TV. There really wasn't much for decent television sci-fi back then. We're spoiled today.
"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus

Nefaro

#8
June 03, 2016, 12:38:19 PM
I watched Chaos On The Bridge awhile back.

Excellent doc about the subject. 

While I never really got into TNG, this doc was a great peak into the craziness behind it's creation ( + it's creator). 

Also, perhaps, a little about the making of TV series during the period in general.

I'd recommend watching it to anyone somewhat interested in how screwed-up it was behind the "Space Hippy" series.

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June 03, 2016, 02:13:22 PM
Will check to see if that's on 'flix or Prime.
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June 03, 2016, 02:18:15 PM
"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus

Nefaro

#11
June 05, 2016, 04:48:45 AM
Quote from: JasonPratt on June 03, 2016, 02:13:22 PM
Will check to see if that's on 'flix or Prime.

Think it was on Netflix when I saw it.  But it may have been the other.

mirth

#12
June 05, 2016, 06:07:02 AM
It's not available on Amazon as part of the membership. You'd have to buy/rent it.
"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus

Nefaro

#13
June 05, 2016, 12:17:01 PM
Quote from: mirth on June 05, 2016, 06:07:02 AM
It's not available on Amazon as part of the membership. You'd have to buy/rent it.

It was probably on Netflix, then.  I watched it there or on Amazon Prime.

bbmike

#14
June 05, 2016, 12:20:43 PM
It's on Netflix. I just saw it in my list.
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