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bayonetbrant

#180
July 29, 2016, 06:12:42 AM
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bayonetbrant

#181
July 29, 2016, 06:18:18 AM
here's the video of the shooting on surveillance cameras at the warehouse

[yt]https://youtu.be/dMKX50dxJQk[/yt]
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Swatter

#182
July 30, 2016, 02:52:37 AM Last Edit: July 30, 2016, 03:13:04 AM by Swatter
"The suspect is not the victim"

No truer words have been said. Of course the national media will ignore this. Other things they will ignore:

-Martes' mother had 11 children.

-This is the second son she has lost to gunfire. The other son was shot in the head 3 times in what was likely gang-related violence.


steve58

#183
August 10, 2016, 04:20:29 PM
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bayonetbrant

#184
September 21, 2016, 01:00:04 PM
Charlotte's about to explode next.

Warning NSFW language.  Headphones are a must.  Then again, the chick talking only know about 4 words.  5 if you separate "mother" from, well...  you know

[yt]https://youtu.be/FFRIbmUb83U[/yt]

I love the yelling at the cops "I will fuck you up!"

uh, if they just shot your dad for what was supposedly nothing, what do you think they'll do to you when you *actually* threaten them
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JasonPratt

#185
September 22, 2016, 12:02:54 PM Last Edit: September 22, 2016, 12:06:04 PM by JasonPratt
Well, Charlotte went from an evidently peaceful protest last night to a riot with at least one person shot in the head; then the police formed up. But the agitators hadn't quit when I went to bed. Mom this morning says the NC National Guard is being mobilized to break the siege.

Reuters seems to have the latest news on it I could find. No mention of the National Guard yet. Don't know where Mom got that, but her sources are usually good.

Some guy brought in by Fox News last night for counterpoint commentary while the riot was still going on, refused to regard the riot as a riot, and justified the behavior as people expressing their rights to be free from being shot by police or something like that. It was one thousand percent surreal, like he wasn't even watching the footage, but delayed footage from several hours previously about the peaceful rally before the thugs showed up.

Two nights of riot in Charlotte now. Summer heat must be down enough to be comfortable getting out for some lootin' and shootin', yo!
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airboy

#186
September 22, 2016, 12:31:15 PM
I had to adjust my driving plan to avoid I-85 through Charlotte yesterday.

bayonetbrant

#187
September 22, 2016, 12:48:04 PM
ARNG troops deployed to help w/ traffic control, and at least one medical unit is on standby.

State highway patrol are augmenting local CMPD for street duty.

Last night's shooting was civilian on civilian, and CMPD has a decent description of the shooter, but was understandably reluctant to walk thru the crowd looking for him.

Most of the family is calling for peace, but the video above was from the victim's daughter, and there are calls for her to be charged with inciting a riot.

State law forbidding the release of body cam / dash cam footage doesn't go into effect 'til 1 OCT, and it's a shitty law anyway that'll get overturned first time it's challenged in court, but it was a hard-right legislature trying to play "shore up the electoral base" games ahead of a hotly-contested election this fall.
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Swatter

#188
September 22, 2016, 03:56:46 PM
It's interesting to think of where all this leads. Police shootings will continue to happen as long as criminals carry guns. Something has got to give.

OJsDad

#189
September 22, 2016, 04:44:15 PM
The police officer in the Tulsa shooting has been charged with 1st degree manslaughter.
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Steelgrave

#190
September 22, 2016, 05:14:18 PM
Quote from: OJsDad on September 22, 2016, 04:44:15 PM
The police officer in the Tulsa shooting has been charged with 1st degree manslaughter.

Seems like a hasty decision designed to keep a lid on the community, considering the tox results aren't back yet. I'm generally pretty vocal about the questionable shootings and unnecessary use of force that we see videos of so often and I'm on record as saying the police need to police themselves better, but I feel the officer should definitely have the benefit of the doubt until more is known. Unquestionably, the majority of police-involved shootings are more justified than not;  as someone who lives 90 minutes from Tulsa this reeks of a premature, politically driven decision.

bayonetbrant

#191
September 22, 2016, 06:08:09 PM
I think the helicopter camera, and the discrepancy about the open window, had more to do with the charges than the tox screen.

The guy they shot was no angel, and had 8 open warrants out on him at the time, but from all the radio chatter, they never knew who he was during the stop.
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bayonetbrant

#192
September 22, 2016, 06:19:35 PM
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Steelgrave

#193
September 22, 2016, 07:37:56 PM
I mentioned the tox screen because I was thinking it would help to validate the officer's story if true, or do the opposite if he came back clean. If this goes before a jury, the tox screen and the window being up or down could well be key in a conviction or not. Watching the video, I find myself wondering if the guy was moving towards his car and "assuming the position" when he was shot or was he indeed starting to reach inside? There looks to be reasonable doubt either way.

Swatter

#194
September 22, 2016, 10:57:15 PM
I saw the videos a few times and I have the impression the shooting was not justified. The man was not armed and was not engaged in a physical confrontation with the police officers. He was not in the act of committing a crime. Trying to justify the use of deadly force in this instance is going to be a tough hill to climb for the officer. Just because the suspect was perhaps putting his arms down or reaching for the car window is not justification to shoot. The guy might be reaching for his wallet or turning around to put his hands on the roof in an act of submission. I am not saying he was, but those things are possible. The officer must have a reasonable fear that his or her life is in danger. I don't think she was acting reasonably.

Granted, the suspect bears a great deal of the responsibility for what happened here. He was not following lawful commands and was tasered. Perhaps he was high and acting irrationally, I suppose we will find out. It sucks that police must make these decisions and a split second error can land you in prison. At the same time, holding the police accountable for wrong decisions that result in death is an essential duty.

This is one of the few shootings recently that I can sympathize with people if they felt like protesting. I personally think that police relations in poor black communities is a symptom of a greater problem and not the problem itself. People should be protesting the core problems with poor African Americans, their time would be much better spent in that pursuit.
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