Star Trek series coming in 2017

[SirAndrewD]

If taken outside of (my own personal) canon, it really isn't that bad. The subplots were totally unnecessary, though, or at least should have been about something else entirely. And I don't care what anyone else says- what they are calling Vulcans in that show are certainly not Vulcans.

The show was really only decent in its last season.  In a desperate attempt to save the show, they brought in TOS nerd Manny Coto to take it over from Braga, who had very little reverence or respect for the canon previously. 

Coto tried to course correct.  He fixed the Vulcan problem, explaining, just as you say, that they really "weren't Vulcans" because of a nefarious outside influence.  He made attempts to work in the augments, the starting leadup of the Romulan War, and pushed in ridgless Klingons. 

Too little too late though.  He might have actually made something of the show, but they cancelled it, and shoe horned in the AWFUL series finale where it's implied the entire thing was just Riker's holodeck program.

[Pinetree]

It's set during the first war with the klingons, funnily enough the exact same time as a certain fan film that they're currently suing.

[bbmike]

I love this quote:  "an incident and an event in Star Trek history that's been talked about but never been explored."
Yeah, that narrows it down to about 1000s of possibilities.  ::)

[BanzaiCat]

Too little too late though.  He might have actually made something of the show, but they cancelled it, and shoe horned in the AWFUL series finale where it's implied the entire thing was just Riker's holodeck program.

Now that, I can agree with. Remove the stupid Holodeck scenes (and an old/pudgy Riker and Troi) and the finale gets 100% better.

[mirth]

Enterprise became quite good in that last season and it started showing signs in the previous. Too bad it took so long and most of the fanbase had been driven away by then.

The song with vocals was awful, cringe-inducing.

[OJsDad]

Great, now I'm on the outside.  I liked the ST:E intro song. 

[mirth]

Great, now I'm on the outside.  I liked the ST:E intro song. 

[bbmike]

^ I just knew he was going to show up again. 

[SirAndrewD]

Enterprise became quite good in that last season and it started showing signs in the previous. Too bad it took so long and most of the fanbase had been driven away by then.

The song with vocals was awful, cringe-inducing.

The cancelled sixth season might have even done better at redeeming it.  Coto was going to redesign the Enterprise in a refit to give it a more TOS look, and the main story was going to revolve around the Romulan War, with time travel no where to be seen. 

Of course that can't erase the awful mistakes of the previous seasons, the slightly unlikable crew, the blatant continuity errors like Romulans with cloaking devices and K'Tinga Class Battlecruisers, Borg and Ferengi showing up centuries out of place.

This is where the new Star Trek show is going to have to be better.  If it's going to be set before TOS, it needs to look and feel like that.   Enterprise's greatest failing, in my opinion, is that it didn't feel like a series set in the 22nd century, and that was entirely the fault of Brandon Braga's obsession with time travel and TNG era look and continuity being transported into his "prequel".

[mirth]

Star Trek canon is in tatters at this point. Reboots, time travel, alternate timelines, fuggedaboutit. To me one of the most egregious slaps to canon came in First Contact when they totally retconned Zephram Cochrane to suit the plot.

[bbmike]

^ +1Billion!

[SirAndrewD]

Star Trek canon is in tatters at this point. Reboots, time travel, alternate timelines, fuggedaboutit. To me one of the most egregious slaps to canon came in First Contact when they totally retconned Zephram Cochrane to suit the plot.

Agreed, especially about First Contact. 

Sadly, that was another case of the Rick Berman era's obsession with time travel getting in the way of a good story.  Ron Moore's original idea for the film would've focused entirely on the Borg and a massive running battle that would culminate in a gigantic set piece last stand at Earth's door. 

Berman and Moore's co-writer Braga wanted yet another time travel piece.  Berman was on record and quoted as saying that he felt the best of Trek involved time travel and he wanted it done as much as possible.  The compromise was to do both.  Moore's idea for a grand last stand battle against the Borg got reduced to a 3 minute budget friendly scene at the beginning.  Any reverence for TOS Zephram Cochraine was not even a concern.

I hope beyond all hope that Star Trek Discovery will lack, completely, in any way shape or form a time travel component or story.

[mirth]

I hope beyond all hope that Star Trek Discovery will lack, completely, in any way shape or form a time travel component or story.

+1

[Staggerwing]

Your hopes will only end in tears, I fear.

[bbmike]

Your hopes will only end in tears, I fear.

True, because Star Trek died June 2, 1999 when DS9 ended. Moment of silence, please.  :(