Strategic Command WWII: War in Europe

[-budd-]

I can see this not going over well.

[Grim.Reaper]

I can see this not going over well.

The part that bothers me just like WIF, this shouldn't have been a last minute surprise to them...seems like this kind of announcement could have been made long ago since they were concentrating on single player....feels like deja vu.

[-budd-]

Looks like a lose/lose situation for them if they were bound and determined to hit that date. Either release with buggy multiplayer or no multiplayer.

[Grim.Reaper]

Looks like a lose/lose situation for them if they were bound and determined to hit that date. Either release with buggy multiplayer or no multiplayer.

Personally, don't think its about a date....just proper communication with the community, more so then 3 days ahead of the release and then making promises.  I will never play MP so no big deal to me at all...they also made some promises about features planned for the game early on that don't appear to be in the release (still trying to review that at the official forums).  I hope they succeed, but just smells like the past.  But if the game is still strong enough, likely will still be on my radar.....then I can blame only myself:)

[-budd-]

I just wonder if the lack of multiplayer and features mentioned but not implemented has made them rethink there price point, I can see a really high price point going over like a lead ballon. For me it just looks like a nice entry game for grand strategy without overwhelming me like HOI type games.

[Grim.Reaper]

I just wonder if the lack of multiplayer and features mentioned but not implemented has made them rethink there price point, I can see a really high price point going over like a lead ballon. For me it just looks like a nice entry game for grand strategy without overwhelming me like HOI type games.

Excellent point....if a very high price, then will make it just like WIF for sure.....hopefully not the same mistake....personally these are my two guesses for price.

1)  49.99 (download, plus $15 for physical with manual)
2)  79.99 (download, plus $15 for physical with manual)

I am hoping more like option #1:)

[Grim.Reaper]

A stream session from today...

https://www.twitch.tv/slitherinegroup/v/101071660

[-budd-]

Wasn't the price $49 when battlefront was selling it? Don't see anything that would make it go above that price point, but you never know.

[Grim.Reaper]

Wasn't the price $49 when battlefront was selling it? Don't see anything that would make it go above that price point, but you never know.

I believe it was in that range....probably only difference is if Matrix feels it is one of their "Premium" titles...if it stays in that range, then it has a chance....I guess we'll see in a few days.

[Raied]

No multiplayer on release... I think I am going to wait. Man I was so hyped...

[Grim.Reaper]

Saw Ian responding to the controversy of leaving the SS out of the game as specific units....I am not worried about that specifically, but as he talks about it and the perfection of the game, makes me think leanings toward the $79 cost of a premium game:)

For me the key point to bear in mind is the scale. At the scale we are representing it doesn't make sense to represent the SS in standard military units as our units are too large. Each unit in the game represents a multitude of sub units some of which are SS. The SS units combat values are abstracted in to the army level stats covered by the technology advantage and readiness/morale advantages the Germans enjoy in the early game. We never even thought about suggesting SS unit names as they did not exist at the army level we represent so there is no compromise as it was just not an issue. A tank unit with heavy tanks 3 is the same for all nations, so people can understand what is happening. By design we do not have different values for different nations, and the advantage German armour had in early war is represented by the techs they have. This again is a design decision, not a comment on the history.

I know some people feel strongly about this but this is already a niche hobby and if we go out of our way to look for issues when 99% of the game is perfect and we don't agree with 1%, then no game is ever going to succeed. Also as already mentioned you can mod to your hearts content so if you want to change unit names please feel free. The modding support for Hubert's games is immense.

I really hope nobody misses out on this awesome and unique game because of this issue. I'm hugely enjoying the game and can't wait to find enough free time to complete a game.

[-budd-]

come on ....you always pick $79 :) ...of course last time you were right

[Grim.Reaper]

come on ....you always pick $79 :) ...of course last time you were right

I would love to be wrong....kind of hoping for $39 range, but guessing not very likely.  As usual they are quiet about the cost but only 2 days away from release.

[GJK]

What scale are the units supposed to represent - or is that abstracted too?

[Raied]

What scale are the units supposed to represent - or is that abstracted too?

As per the counters they are Corps and Armies.