12 year customer reward Matrix, help me Choose!

[jamus34]

I've been wanting to pull the trigger on Barbarossa for so long however considering I still have not been able to "get" case blue it makes it hard for me to justify purchasing.

Maybe I'm just not "groggy" enough

[Philippe]

I had trouble figuring out DC:Case Blue and DC:Warsaw to Paris as well, and didn't understand them until after I'd played DC:Barbarossa.

The counter-shuffling part of DC:Barbarossa is streamlined and easier to get into.  It has to be, because the real focus of the game is on something else.

Most of the units you are pushing around are full divisions, so the combat eventually becomes a question of changing the numbers in the probable odds bar until you see something you can live with.

But if you're playing the Germans, the game is really about setting an axis of advance for each army group, and having enough trains, converted rail lines, and functioning trucks to get supplies to where you need them. 

In a normal wargame you spend part of each turn making sure you have moved every unit you can.  In DC:Barbarossa, if you move a panzer unit, it burns fuel and starts to wear out.  Fuel is always in short supply, and you never push your front line forwards just because you can.  Sometimes you have to stop moving because you're low on fuel and want to build up your local stockpile for a decisive lunge.  And sometimes you have to stop moving because too much is breaking down and your panzers need to spend some time in the repair shop.

The fun begins when you realize that the guy in charge of the trains and the guy in charge of the trucks don't report to you and probably can't stand each other,  and your offensives are going nowhere if you can't figure out how to get them to co-operate, or at least to move supplies to your forward supply depots and beyond at a reasonable rate.  Meanwhile one of your army group commanders is having a snit and has decided to rein in his panzer group (there goes your offensive), and you can't make him see reason because you weren't on very good terms with him to begin with, and you're currently feuding with your immediate superior over personnel assignments, so he won't lift a finger to help you (he can perform miracles over lunch with a few bottles of French wine, especially when he was buddies with the guy to begin with).

[Nefaro]

It might be a good time to get World in Flames at 40% off

ROFL.

Wut?

[Sir Slash]

That sounds too much like where I used to work Philippe.  :pullhair:

[JasonPratt]

"Nazis. I hate those guys." -- Bock.

>:D

[undercovergeek]

It might be a good time to get World in Flames at 40% off

ROFL.

Wut?

Ah, not just me then - I think JD forgot his tablets

[JudgeDredd]

I definitely forgot these

;D  :D  :o  :P  ::)    :))        :pullhair:  :DD  :timeout:  :-"   L:-)  :wow:  :dreamer:

[Toonces]

You guys have me intrigued on the Decisive Campaigns game.  I've never even looked at it, but all this chatter makes me feel like I'm missing something.

[Barthheart]

You are.

I really like the first one, Warsaw to Paris, and the last one , Barbarossa. The middle one, Case Blue, was just too many counters to push around for me. Way more than in Warsaw to Paris. Barbarossa has the fewest counters and is probability the most interesting war game I've ever played.

[Philippe]

"Nazis. I hate those guys." -- Bock.

>:D

And you'll hate them even more when the Ministry of Propaganda decides to send a film crew to your headquarters, and Goebbels tells you to drop everything and squire them around.  But you put up with it because you really don't want to draw too much attention to the fact that you're always too busy to sign the Hitler loyalty oath.

[Raied]

DC:B is the best wargame on operational level period.
I am playing my second PBEM++ and having a blast, for me playing any side has its amazing and totally different gameplay.
I hope that VR design will do another game using the same system in different theater.

[Yskonyn]

@Rayfer, DC Barbarossa would be something out of my comfort zone so I think that would be a nice one.

[Rayfer]

@Rayfer, DC Barbarossa would be something out of my comfort zone so I think that would be a nice one.

:bd:

[GJK]

You guys have me intrigued on the Decisive Campaigns game.  I've never even looked at it, but all this chatter makes me feel like I'm missing something.

Repeated, tiled images on the map- if they take that kind of shortcut in programming, think about the shortcuts that they took in the game design.  That's my thoughts on it.   :P

[Nefaro]

I definitely forgot these

;D  :D  :o  :P  ::)    :))        :pullhair:  :DD  :timeout:  :-"   L:-)  :wow:  :dreamer:

Was gonna send out the Men In White Uniforms, JD.