Ideas for any 'Grog' type places/exhibits in New York and Washington in May 2017

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steve58

Quote from: challerain on January 07, 2017, 12:27:18 AM
Antietam, Gettysburg, and Manassas are all close to DC

Well, maybe close in terms of mileage (kilometer-age?), but time may be a factor when you take traffic into account.  Really depends on when markh wants to try to get out to the sites.  Manassas National Battlefield Park is about 50-55 miles from DC.  Depending on time of day/day of week, that trip could be an hour or 2+ hours.

Quote from: Slim on January 06, 2017, 11:11:23 PM
Udvar-Hazy Museum (it's part of the Smithsonian) that is near Dulles airport is a great place for aviation too. SR-71 is there,  Concorde, space shuttle, bunch of WWII aircraft, etc. Really great place.

https://airandspace.si.edu/udvar-hazy-center

Been to Udvar-Hazy Museum several times, lots of great planes there, including the Enola Gay, also several WW1 planes too.  O0
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Quote from: bayonetbrant on January 07, 2017, 10:09:00 AM
Quote from: bbmike on January 07, 2017, 08:34:41 AMSmithsonian Air & Space Museum on Independence Ave.

Back in 2009, we took a road trip to DC with Bayonet Jr, and one of the things we went and found in there was the model of SEASAT. 
It was a weather satellite that the Russians shot down because they were convinced it was a spy satellite.
It was designed by my wife's uncle, Walt McCandless



Cool! I'll have to go back and find it.
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mikeck

While your in  Washington DC take a trip south to Fredericksburg. You can see the Fredericksburg battlefield and also Chancellorsville\wilderness. Both are in excellent condition  and you can get your ACW grog on
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Quote from: steve58 on January 07, 2017, 11:58:06 AM
Quote from: challerain on January 07, 2017, 12:27:18 AM
Antietam, Gettysburg, and Manassas are all close to DC

Well, maybe close in terms of mileage (kilometer-age?), but time may be a factor when you take traffic into account.  Really depends on when markh wants to try to get out to the sites.  Manassas National Battlefield Park is about 50-55 miles from DC.  Depending on time of day/day of week, that trip could be an hour or 2+ hours.



Manassas is about 30 miles from DC.  Gettysburg about 80 and Antietam about 70.  All worth the drive if you are a Civil War buff.Just don't go during rush hour and traffic is fine.

bbmike

Quote from: challerain on January 07, 2017, 01:45:21 PM
Quote from: steve58 on January 07, 2017, 11:58:06 AM
Quote from: challerain on January 07, 2017, 12:27:18 AM
Antietam, Gettysburg, and Manassas are all close to DC

Well, maybe close in terms of mileage (kilometer-age?), but time may be a factor when you take traffic into account.  Really depends on when markh wants to try to get out to the sites.  Manassas National Battlefield Park is about 50-55 miles from DC.  Depending on time of day/day of week, that trip could be an hour or 2+ hours.



Manassas is about 30 miles from DC.  Gettysburg about 80 and Antietam about 70.  All worth the drive if you are a Civil War buff.Just don't go during rush hour and traffic is fine.

When is traffic ever fine in DC?  ::) :P
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Quote from: challerain on January 07, 2017, 01:45:21 PM
Quote from: steve58 on January 07, 2017, 11:58:06 AM
Quote from: challerain on January 07, 2017, 12:27:18 AM
Antietam, Gettysburg, and Manassas are all close to DC

Well, maybe close in terms of mileage (kilometer-age?), but time may be a factor when you take traffic into account.  Really depends on when markh wants to try to get out to the sites.  Manassas National Battlefield Park is about 50-55 miles from DC.  Depending on time of day/day of week, that trip could be an hour or 2+ hours.



Manassas is about 30 miles from DC.  Gettysburg about 80 and Antietam about 70.  All worth the drive if you are a Civil War buff.Just don't go during rush hour and traffic is fine.

Doh, yeah, I meant 30-35 miles :-[
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GibbyG

Quote from: bayonetbrant on January 07, 2017, 02:45:34 PM
Quote from: challerain on January 07, 2017, 02:11:16 PM
When it isn't rush hour

which starts around 0430 and ends around 1945 or so - assuming no accidents.

LOL.  Seriously, I used to work near Baltimore and had to drive to offices in Bethesda, Gaithersburg and Manassas.  Would leave around 9:00 AM and assuming no accidents/weather/construction it was not a problem.

FarAway Sooner

They aren't super-intellectual, but the two most powerful places I ever found in Washington, D.C. were Arlington Cemetery (premier national cemetary for fallen US soldiers) and the Vietnam Wall.  Both are easily accessible by public transport (Metro--the train).  Neither tells much history, but both very eloquently convey American feelings on our military conflicts.

Arlington is HUGE, and takes a couple hours to cover most of the interesting sites, but watching a changing of the guard at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier tops the list if you make it there.  Taking a tour will give you a lot of the history behind the site (e.g., it was the home of Confederate general Robert E. Lee before he turned down Supreme Command of the Union Army in the Civil War to march south and lead the troops of the Confederacy in 1861) . 

The Vietnam Wall is a shorter trip but every bit as powerful.  It has the added benefit of being a 150-yard walk away from Lincoln Memorial, which houses the greatest military speech in American history (the Gettysburg Address), and isn't absurdly far from the WW II Memorial (which went in after I lived there), Reflecting Pool, and a bunch of stuff on the Mall.  Washington Mall is about a mile-and-a-half long and runs from Lincoln Memorial at one side to The Capitol on the other (with Washington Monument smack dab in the middle).  Numerous amazing museums (including the Smithsonian Air & Space musuem) line the mall on either side.

The Holocaust Museum takes a few hours, but it is also extremely powerful and has more of a "museum" feel to it.  Admission there is limited so you need tickets in advance; the other places are all walk-up, I think.

It's hard to go wrong.  There's a ton of history there.  If you want a battlefield museum, Gettysburg is a couple hour's drive away but is the best such museum I've ever seen for history geeks.  The Battle of Bull Run was fought in Manassas (an hour outside DC) and is much less impressive than Gettysburg, but also much more accessible.  Unlike the other places I've mentioned above, you'd need a car to visit either of those battlefields.

Hope any of that helps!

mikeck

Quote from: challerain on January 07, 2017, 01:45:21 PM
Quote from: steve58 on January 07, 2017, 11:58:06 AM
Quote from: challerain on January 07, 2017, 12:27:18 AM
Antietam, Gettysburg, and Manassas are all close to DC

Well, maybe close in terms of mileage (kilometer-age?), but time may be a factor when you take traffic into account.  Really depends on when markh wants to try to get out to the sites.  Manassas National Battlefield Park is about 50-55 miles from DC.  Depending on time of day/day of week, that trip could be an hour or 2+ hours.



Manassas is about 30 miles from DC.  Gettysburg about 80 and Antietam about 70.  All worth the drive if you are a Civil War buff.Just don't go during rush hour and traffic is fine.

And with the battlefields in Fredericksburg, Chancelorsville and Spotsylvania, you have 5-6 battlefields within an hour of DC (outside of rush hour). Having been to all the ones in Va, I would recommend Chancellorsville and Manassas
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Quote from: steve58 on January 07, 2017, 11:58:06 AM
Well, maybe close in terms of mileage (kilometer-age?), but time may be a factor when you take traffic into account.  Really depends on when markh wants to try to get out to the sites.  Manassas National Battlefield Park is about 50-55 miles from DC.  Depending on time of day/day of week, that trip could be an hour or 2+ hours.

This isn't quite correct.  Manassas battlefield is maybe 30 miles from DC, depending on exactly where in DC you're starting from.  True, you have to take I-66W to get there, and if you try to do that in the evening rush hour it will be slow going, but it's a lot closer to DC than 50-55 miles.

Antietam is about 60 miles away from DC.  Gettysburg is about 70 miles away.  Fredericksburg is about 50 miles south, with Chancellorsville another 10 miles west of Fredericksburg.  If you go to any of these places, you'll probably be leaving in the morning and will generally be going against traffic.

I've been to all of these battlefields.  My first choice for a visitor would be Gettysburg.  The park service has done a good job with this battlefield, and you can get a great overview of this important battle.  Another way to spend the day would be to do Chancellorsville - Wilderness - Spotsylvania Courthouse, and maybe Fredericksburg in the same day.  Each one of these battlefields is about 10 or 15 miles away from each other.  I did the first three in one day, taking my time at each one.

As others have pointed out, the Smithsonian air and space museums are also great.  There are actually two museums - one is downtown DC on the mall, and the other (Udvar-Hazy) is on route 28 just south of Dulles airport.  For a more somber visit, the holocaust museum is also downtown, as are many other museums.

The USMC museum at Quantico is great.  They have made improvements since the last time I was there, about six or seven years ago.  Quantico is about 25 miles south of DC, about 25 miles north of Fredericksburg.

Arlington national cemetery is just across the river from downtown DC.  The changing of the guard at the tomb of the unknown soldier is very impressive.

Although not strictly war related, Mount Vernon (George Washington's home) is about 10 miles south, and across Pohick Bay you can go to Gunston Hall, which is where George Mason lived.  Presidential candidate Carly Fiorina supposedly lives in that area.


markh

Thank you very much to everyone who has participated with their suggestions.  Some great ideas - very much appreciated.