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Started by jomni, June 09, 2017, 09:09:59 AM

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Philippe

Pure naval campaigns were rare to non-existant in antiquity.  There was a very practical reason for this.  There was no room, even on the largest ancient warships, for the crew to do important things like cook meals or stretch out and sleep.  Ships needed to pull up next to a beach if they weren't actually dragged onshore every night, so you generally couldn't station your fleet next to hostile coastlines that you didn't control for any length of time. 

The rowers, by the way, were paid.  Getting everyone to row without tangling their oars required a certain amount of skill and practice.  The problem was that there were often two or three banks of oars on each side of the ship with the rowers sitting on benches above each other.  One of the decisive moments in the Peloponnesian War came when a Spartan admiral significantly increased his oarsmen's wages, and Athenian oarsmen (many of whom were league islanders rather than Athenians proper) starting deserting so they could cash in by enlisting with the other side.
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MengJiao

Quote from: mikeck on June 09, 2017, 11:23:04 AM
Geez...ANOTHER ancient naval combat game. I hope they do a WW2 version

  There was a sailing schooner squadron battle (RN schooners!) off Tobruk against an Italian submarine and of course the sailing schooner leader put up the "Engage the Enemy more Closely" signal.  I think no one was hurt.
  And then there were those Iceboat battles in Lake Lagdoga which the Red Army won (sailing Red Army iceboats with 45mm AT versus ice barges with airplane engines rigged up on them with 20mm gund)
   And I'm sure the RN could have used a few triremes here and there in the Med. as blockships or something.

   Sign me up for anything featuring triremes.  I'm going to try to get into the beta.  The RPS article seems to be the only substantial info on the game.

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Barthheart

WOW! I had no idea it was coming out this soon....  :bd:

mirth

Damn. That's going to be tough to say no to.
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Sir Slash

That does look mighty 'tasty'.
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Jarhead0331

I dunno, guys. I like the topic and happy to see something new that we don't see covered often, but honestly...looks like a snooze fest. <shrugging shoulders>
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mikeck

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on October 31, 2017, 06:20:28 PM
I dunno, guys. I like the topic and happy to see something new that we don't see covered often, but honestly...looks like a snooze fest. <shrugging shoulders>

Thinking the same thing.
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"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

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MengJiao

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Quote from: mikeck on October 31, 2017, 06:40:31 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on October 31, 2017, 06:20:28 PM
I dunno, guys. I like the topic and happy to see something new that we don't see covered often, but honestly...looks like a snooze fest. <shrugging shoulders>

Thinking the same thing.

  It might be a bit snoozy, but it also seems to have a few layers of coolness and visual interest (perhaps of a slightly soggy, snoozy kind, but still...).  I'll get it and if I fall asleep then that's just one of those hazards that war on the seas of long ago can bring its soggy hypnotic wake.

Cheimison

#42
I might be interested in a WEGO game like this! Galley combat is something I've never done. Though my laptop doesn't like water, too much bloom.

And if another WW2 game is never released, it will be too soon. I would rather play a Granada first person shooter than any WW2 game.

Quote from: Philippe on June 10, 2017, 09:50:32 PM
Pure naval campaigns were rare to non-existant in antiquity.  There was a very practical reason for this.  There was no room, even on the largest ancient warships, for the crew to do important things like cook meals or stretch out and sleep.  Ships needed to pull up next to a beach if they weren't actually dragged onshore every night, so you generally couldn't station your fleet next to hostile coastlines that you didn't control for any length of time. 

The rowers, by the way, were paid.  Getting everyone to row without tangling their oars required a certain amount of skill and practice.  The problem was that there were often two or three banks of oars on each side of the ship with the rowers sitting on benches above each other.  One of the decisive moments in the Peloponnesian War came when a Spartan admiral significantly increased his oarsmen's wages, and Athenian oarsmen (many of whom were league islanders rather than Athenians proper) starting deserting so they could cash in by enlisting with the other side.
Looks like we got a reader here!
Seriously, though, if you actually read real history and not pop-history or video game flavor text it becomes obvious that 85% of the content in these games is either in direct contradiction to the evidence or just made up.
Most historical games and science fiction games are basically WW2 with swords or lasers.

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Sir Slash

Waiting for opinions.  :-\  Still waiting. Still waiting. Waiting......
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