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Alien: Covenant

Started by mirth, November 24, 2016, 09:40:53 AM

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BanzaiCat

There's supposed to be a third movie to tie in to the start of Alien, so I imagine they'll figure out a ham-fisted way to screw that up when making said movie.

mirth

Don't worry, Ridley Scott will fill in all the plot holes from this movie in the next movie. However there will be an entirely new set of plot holes in the next one.
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BanzaiCat

There's so many plot holes they're turning into a super-plot-hole, from which no intelligent dialogue or logical story can escape!

SirAndrewD

After the box office take of Covenant, Fox stated they were "reevaluating" the Alien franchise.  So Scott is going to be lucky if they let him do another picture.
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Jarhead0331

Quote from: SirAndrewD on August 07, 2017, 02:50:51 PM
After the box office take of Covenant, Fox stated they were "reevaluating" the Alien franchise.  So Scott is going to be lucky if they let him do another picture.

I heard this...also, the crap that Scott has been putting out has me in a damn near panic over the Blade Runner reboot.
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mirth

Quote from: BanzaiCat on August 07, 2017, 02:49:57 PM
There's so many plot holes they're turning into a super-plot-hole, from which no intelligent dialogue or logical story can escape!

"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus

mirth

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 07, 2017, 02:53:29 PM
Quote from: SirAndrewD on August 07, 2017, 02:50:51 PM
After the box office take of Covenant, Fox stated they were "reevaluating" the Alien franchise.  So Scott is going to be lucky if they let him do another picture.

I heard this...also, the crap that Scott has been putting out has me in a damn near panic over the Blade Runner reboot.

Don't panic. It's going to suck too.
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SirAndrewD

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 07, 2017, 02:53:29 PM


I heard this...also, the crap that Scott has been putting out has me in a damn near panic over the Blade Runner reboot.

Denis Villenueve is directing Blade Runner, so I have a lot of hope that some of Scott's questionable decisions aren't going to seep in.  Villenueve seems to be a director in his prime right now.
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mirth

Quote from: SirAndrewD on August 07, 2017, 02:50:51 PM
After the box office take of Covenant, Fox stated they were "reevaluating" the Alien franchise.  So Scott is going to be lucky if they let him do another picture.

I hope they give it to Blomkamp for Alien V while there's still a chance of bringing in Sigourney and Michael Biehn.
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Quote from: mirth on August 07, 2017, 02:56:55 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 07, 2017, 02:53:29 PM
Quote from: SirAndrewD on August 07, 2017, 02:50:51 PM
After the box office take of Covenant, Fox stated they were "reevaluating" the Alien franchise.  So Scott is going to be lucky if they let him do another picture.

I heard this...also, the crap that Scott has been putting out has me in a damn near panic over the Blade Runner reboot.

Don't panic. It's going to suck too.

I saw the preview for the new Blade Runner when I watched Dunkirk.  I was disappointed by what I saw.  To me, it really gave off a "we're the 99%!  Fight the corporations!" vibe with a bunch of dusty ghetto scenes that reminded me of Bloemkamp's films.

JasonPratt

Re the Engineers: just because their homeworld got wiped, doesn't mean the spacefaring race was wiped out. Any number could remain. A colony loses track of the homeworld, a ship comes to check things out, humans and a jockey team up (grudgingly) to try to get back to the LV system weapon planet to figure out how to cleanly stop the Xenos, a Queen gets on board, badda bing. Ship crashes on the planet in the system from the first movie, humans eject safely for the happy ending, jockey sadly dies, Queen is axed in any of several ways and the Nostromo crew just never run across her body (if it's even still on the ship). New jockeys, being 2000+ years older than the ones at the weapons-depot, happen to be properly larger than their shorter forebears.

It could be done. I have no confidence that Scott (and his writing stable) would do it competently, although it might still look good. (His films have been dreadfully yet also overconveniently plotted for years now, unfortunately, so this isn't new.)
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Jarhead0331

Quote from: JasonPratt on August 07, 2017, 08:03:57 PM
Re the Engineers: just because their homeworld got wiped, doesn't mean the spacefaring race was wiped out. Any number could remain. A colony loses track of the homeworld, a ship comes to check things out, humans and a jockey team up (grudgingly) to try to get back to the LV system weapon planet to figure out how to cleanly stop the Xenos, a Queen gets on board, badda bing. Ship crashes on the planet in the system from the first movie, humans eject safely for the happy ending, jockey sadly dies, Queen is axed in any of several ways and the Nostromo crew just never run across her body (if it's even still on the ship). New jockeys, being 2000+ years older than the ones at the weapons-depot, happen to be properly larger than their shorter forebears.

It could be done. I have no confidence that Scott (and his writing stable) would do it competently, although it might still look good. (His films have been dreadfully yet also overconveniently plotted for years now, unfortunately, so this isn't new.)

If they didn't so badly nerf the story in Covenant, they wouldn't have to bother coming up with the above illogical cockamamey story to explain an obvious plot loophole. 
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BanzaiCat

Hey, they could hire Pratt to write the script! He'd give it a good go.

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Quote from: BanzaiCat on August 07, 2017, 08:19:24 PM
Hey, they could hire Pratt to write the script! He'd give it a good go.

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Time to go back to Alien vs Predator I say. If we're gonna screw the franchise, why not screw it with gusto?  :clap:
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