Star Wars: The Last Jedi

[BanzaiCat]

Studios exist to make money. If they make a pile of shite that panders to everything under the sun and it makes a billion dollars despite having a 52% rating on Rotten Tomatoes, they're going to continue to make formulaic crap that panders to everything under the sun to keep chasing those dollars. Nobody's interested in taking risks any more, not in the major studios anyway.

[mirth]

With Abrams directing Star Wars IX, I have little hope that it will be good. He effed up Trek and know he's pretty well effed up Star Wars.

[undercovergeek]

Like mirth I did a little extended reading - I'm not sure the sources are right but I'm to believe the 'there is another' at the end of new hope was never meant to be leia, it's Rey, and Ben is the father???? Leading to a new Ben film?

What?

[Michael Dorosh]

Like mirth I did a little extended reading - I'm not sure the sources are right but I'm to believe the 'there is another' at the end of new hope was never meant to be leia, it's Rey, and Ben is the father???? Leading to a new Ben film?

I think the issue the hardcore fans are having is that you just did more reading than the director and the screenwriter. :-) 

I'm not heavily invested in the universe and lore so my own objections are just based on the film as entertainment, and for me, it was a fail, regardless of whether the show fits into the canon or not.

While it is a bit annoying to have this build up to the reveal of the parents go nowhere, I suppose this is film 2, and it may be some weird surprise in film 3. The in-film source of the info is a bit of an unreliable one, and this being SF, they can take it anywhere.

Empire had been criticized for not having a satisfying ending, but the groundbreaking visuals of the Hoth battle (for the time) and the huge "I am your father" twist saved it. I didn't see anything to really save this one.

[mirth]

The FX were really all this mess had going and there were things that bothered me about some of those. As someone mentioned up-thread, the flames coming out of the A-Wing engine just looked cheap.

[mirth]

https://twitter.com/Mick_Cook/status/945946829245394944

[bayonetbrant]

Empire had been criticized for not having a satisfying ending

That's what life is, just a series of down endings
[yt]https://youtu.be/2SH4fZ18DSg[/yt]

[Centurion40]

^Completely agree...they are killing off all the heroes from the original series and destroying their legacies by turning them into book-burning, anti-religious, cowards. Meanwhile, women have taken over the rebellion in order to stick it to the irrational, brash and testosterone filled little men. I guess the new millennial audiences would approve of nothing less.

The main male characters were either evil or buffoonish. The female characters were the strong leaders required to guide and inspire the men.

[BanzaiCat]

With Abrams directing Star Wars IX, I have little hope that it will be good. He effed up Trek and know he's pretty well effed up Star Wars.

JJ is the Paul Feig of Star Wars.

[OJsDad]

Just got home from seeing it.  Not as terrible as some here think, but not very strong.  The whole chase thing I thought was pretty bad. 

What I would really like to know, is the history of the galaxy from the fall of the Empire in the Return of the Jedi and the rise of the New Order in the Force Awakens. 

The one thing that has always frustrated me about Star Wars (and Star Trek also) is the whole sense of time and distance.  Days went by for Rey and Luke, but hours for the others.  Or that's what it seemed.  Also, how everyone seems to know about each planet.  A galaxy of billions of stars and planets, but people knew exactly which planet was being talked about. 

[JasonPratt]

^Completely agree...they are killing off all the heroes from the original series and destroying their legacies by turning them into book-burning, anti-religious, cowards. Meanwhile, women have taken over the rebellion in order to stick it to the irrational, brash and testosterone filled little men. I guess the new millennial audiences would approve of nothing less.

The main male characters were either evil or buffoonish. The female characters were the strong leaders required to guide and inspire the men.

Also, the film expects the viewer to agree that the male heroes are actually right to be book-burning, anti-religious cowards. (I realize Finn wasn't really being a coward when trying to leave the ship, but the way the film portrayed it made it seem like his sidequest partner was fully justified in tasing him.)

(Um, spoiler.)


I realize from a logistic standpoint they couldn't just do the Zahn trilogy -- which was officially designated canon by Lucas by the way -- because the principal actors were far too old to be doing the sorts of things in that series and also to be playing parts starting a few months after Ep 6 (regardless of how much de-aging CGI might be used, which would be half the budget!) Or would require the heresy of recasting the principals (and to be fair they're taking a dangerous risk messing with the Solo solo film this way).


But he's a proven writer the fans respect. They could and should have driven a dump truck full of cash up to Timothy's house and said "Come here, write us a trilogy, and be quick about it, there's more where this came from."

[Sir Slash]

Poor Kylo. He resists the temptation to blast his mother on the bridge of the ship, and then the guy behind him does it for him. That would be my luck.  :pullhair:

[MikeGER]

  Also, how everyone seems to know about each planet.  A galaxy of billions of stars and planets, but people knew exactly which planet was being talked about.

it was in the galactic news ;)

here on Earth we have ten thousend of cities and regions and when some shit happens its in the global main news

did you ever heard before about a Rohingya tribe in Myanmar (that we Grogs better now as Burma) ? ...now on the move after getting expelled to Bangladesh (which i also just learned is a major Muslim country, while i though they where mostly catholic or hindu) 
i did not before it was in the prime time TV news

for the Star Wars universe we so have to assume a Tachyons based communication network
(a Tachyon is a theoretical proposed particle family -or better a valid mathematical solution to some theoretic physics equitation- that by definition are always faster then light speed. That's the mathematical trick ....explaining further is to deep a Sheldon stuff and i am more a very medicore Leonard)
 

[acctingman]

I've seen it twice. Really enjoyed it for what it is.

I consider myself a huge SW fan, but I'm not overly critical of these movies. Everyone has a right to blast something for what ever reason they want, but I chuckle at the over the top critical bashing of a movie (and in fairness the over gushing of a movie too).

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I choose to go into these movies with an open mind. I don't go in as a critical thinking adult. I go in as a wide eyed 10 yr old (the same 10 year old who first saw the original).

Geek on Grogs  O0

[bayonetbrant]

still stands :)