Star Wars: The Last Jedi

[mirth]

[acctingman]

I just don't get all the nerd rage about this movie  :o

well not only nerds, 
for all audience for whom this was not their first Star Wars movie, and esp those who had seen Episode VII before (and even re-watched it as a primer a few day before like i did), there were some strong expectations planted,
esp with the announcement that Episode VIII is a direct continuation of the plot.

planted expectation were
- That Luke teach Rey as a Jedi master in his own personal style but where influence of Obi Wan and Yoda shines through
- That Snoke is at least the size of a cave troll and a mean manifestation of evil itself in spacetime-continuum which had puppet mastered Sith lords like Palpatine at ease ... and is not suddenly a lizard in a golden bath robe, who get fooled by two young apprentices in their love-hate relationship confusion
- That Rey's origin (parents, step parents?) somehow matter
- That Phasma has an important role in the developing plot

also some of the 'irritations' could have been so easily avoided by just one casual sentence in the radio chatter
like: in despair we converted captured old low level planetary bombers to join the attack...First Order will get a rude surprise
art design:  i would have shaped the bombs as RPG warheads with a small rocket that ignite after a spring release
from the racks ...problem solved.

instead of the Asian women for Political Correctness on Earth and the Disney marketing department happiness
it would have been sooo much more StarWars (and with an even better 'all races in the universe matter and contribute to the effort'-message)   
if the new Finn sidekick would have been from a different Star Wars race like Ahsoka Tano's race  or those females with blue skin, we all know from those holo-poledance gimmicks ...that would have been a smart move, even had please the feminists with: look those woman can do more then work in bar entertainments. they are engineers and fighter pilots too...                   

Well, then maybe people should temper their expectations a bit?

I get it. People have all the right in the world to pick apart a movie. It's my right too then to just scratch my head at these people.  O0

[acctingman]

After 18 days the movie fell to 2nd place in the US box office.

1 BILLION worldwide has to mean the movie isn't that bad 

Or were all just mindless sheep 

[bayonetbrant]

yep... still true

still stands :)

[mirth]

1 BILLION worldwide has to mean the movie isn't that bad 

The Transformer Movies must not be that bad either. And that last PotC which made $795 million worldwide. The 30% rating on Rotten Tomatoes must be a goof.

[mirth]

yep... still true

still stands :)

Suicide Squad has a similar book.

[JudgeDredd]

1 BILLION worldwide has to mean the movie isn't that bad 

The Transformer Movies must not be that bad either. And that last PotC which made $795 million worldwide. The 30% rating on Rotten Tomatoes must be a goof.

It's easier - and much more appealing to people - to vote down and vent than to vote up and praise. Example - I really liked the movie (obvious flaws included) and have not voted on RT. It's just the way it is.

The Rotten Tomatoes rating will be representative of the hardcore "pick apart" mob who wanted to vent and won't at all be all encompassing - leaving out everyone else who just wanted to go and see a movie - and who probably left excited and fulfilled.

[JudgeDredd]

I just don't get all the nerd rage about this movie  :o

well not only nerds, 
for all audience for whom this was not their first Star Wars movie, and esp those who had seen Episode VII before (and even re-watched it as a primer a few day before like i did), there were some strong expectations planted,
esp with the announcement that Episode VIII is a direct continuation of the plot.

planted expectation were
- That Luke teach Rey as a Jedi master in his own personal style but where influence of Obi Wan and Yoda shines through
- That Snoke is at least the size of a cave troll and a mean manifestation of evil itself in spacetime-continuum which had puppet mastered Sith lords like Palpatine at ease ... and is not suddenly a lizard in a golden bath robe, who get fooled by two young apprentices in their love-hate relationship confusion
- That Rey's origin (parents, step parents?) somehow matter
- That Phasma has an important role in the developing plot

also some of the 'irritations' could have been so easily avoided by just one casual sentence in the radio chatter
like: in despair we converted captured old low level planetary bombers to join the attack...First Order will get a rude surprise
art design:  i would have shaped the bombs as RPG warheads with a small rocket that ignite after a spring release
from the racks ...problem solved.

instead of the Asian women for Political Correctness on Earth and the Disney marketing department happiness
it would have been sooo much more StarWars (and with an even better 'all races in the universe matter and contribute to the effort'-message)   
if the new Finn sidekick would have been from a different Star Wars race like Ahsoka Tano's race  or those females with blue skin, we all know from those holo-poledance gimmicks ...that would have been a smart move, even had please the feminists with: look those woman can do more then work in bar entertainments. they are engineers and fighter pilots too...                   

When does the inclusion of girl - regardless of nationality - stop being in the name of Political Correctness? She was actually a pretty good actress and played the part well. Why does her nationality have to be a thing?

Whilst I'm here - when does having women do other things other than stay at home and bake stop being for the feminist movement and just about women wanting to do other things than stay at home and bake?

The more I read from you MikeGER the more I think your thoughts are from the dark ages. You really need to modernise.

[mirth]

1 BILLION worldwide has to mean the movie isn't that bad 

The Transformer Movies must not be that bad either. And that last PotC which made $795 million worldwide. The 30% rating on Rotten Tomatoes must be a goof.

It's easier - and much more appealing to people - to vote down and vent than to vote up and praise. Example - I really liked the movie (obvious flaws included) and have not voted on RT. It's just the way it is.

The Rotten Tomatoes rating will be representative of the hardcore "pick apart" mob who wanted to vent and won't at all be all encompassing - leaving out everyone else who just wanted to go and see a movie - and who probably left excited and fulfilled.

I wasn't talking about the RT score for Last Jedi. The RT score for PotC is 30% and the critic average is 4.7/10. Those numbers are for a movie that took in almost $800 million worldwide.

Suicide Squad, a movie widely panned (and detested by Brant), took in $750 million worldwide.

The Transformers franchise has taken in over $4 billion. Two of the movies did over $1 billion each. I don't think anyone is going to seriously argue those are good movies.

The point being that there isn't necessarily a correlation between box office and movie quality.

[MikeGER]

When does the inclusion of girl - regardless of nationality - stop being in the name of Political Correctness? She was actually a pretty good actress and played the part well. Why does her nationality have to be a thing?

Whilst I'm here - when does having women do other things other than stay at home and bake stop being for the feminist movement and just about women wanting to do other things than stay at home and bake?

JD there was a demand by 'intellectuals', 'activists', the usual SJW crowd that Star Wars don't had enuf race-diversity esp. no Asian and that the role of females is too 'stereotype'

about the last one there are actual feminists who analyse movies with a so called Bechdel test if a movie in question is OK-ish

go figure
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/dec/18/star-wars-the-last-jedi-women-bechdel-test
     
i was just mocking about those "activist", who always have to spoil the fun in everything lighthearted with social politics   ...and of curse Disney try to be all things to all men (and women and LSBTTIQ ), except to the old SW lore 

[Gusington]

Clearly there are tons of movies that are crap that make craploads of cash...like an Armageddon-type movie.

I love the Star Wars franchise and will even tolerate Episodes 1-3. But I don't think and never have thought that they were always at the same level as Close Encounters, 2001 or Blade Runner. And to me they have always been cheesy/schmaltzy in their humor...they still are.

Expecting the Star Wars franchise to abide by actual science or military doctrine is unfair and has been since the first TIE fighter screeched across the screen...in the noiseless vacuum of space.

[mirth]

Expecting the Star Wars franchise to abide by actual science or military doctrine is unfair and has been since the first TIE fighter screeched across the screen...in the noiseless vacuum of space.

Don't expect it. Never have. LJ had some huge plot holes though. The story and characters were weak imo.

Those saying this was as good or better than ESB are out of their minds. It was the weakest, so far, of the new batch of films. It wasn't as good as any of the original trilogy movies.

Was it a bad movie? No. Was it as good as it could/should have been. Nope.

[Gusington]

It's my least favorite of the new batch so far too. And I don't think I will ever enjoy any new Star Wars movie as much as the originals.

[mirth]

We agree then. Time for a hug?

[Sir Slash]

I saw, "The Force Awakens" three times. I can't imagine wanting to see this movie even once more-- maybe on Netflix when it shows there. Not bad, but definitely not great.