Russia's War Against Ukraine

[JasonPratt]

As you might guess, China's stance on Crimea, while favorable to Ukraine, is not altruistic: China sees Ukraine as being part of its "Silk Road" Eastern Hemisphere project, which seeks to set up transport nodes, and ultimately transport control, of all sea and land routes between China and western Europe.

Along the way, they act like mob boss money lenders, granting nations / governments ridiculous loans at ridiculous terms, ideally to governments with a proven record of mismanagement and malfeasance, so that when their targets inevitably default on payment, China simply starts taking direct control and ownership of the country starting with the transport nodes they have their eye on, but also including key strategic resource production.

This has actually contributed to China's own economic collapse, because it turns out that lending ridiculous sums for a guaranteed default in lieu of underdeveloped properties, doesn't really improve an economy!

But anyway the Crimea was part of that plan, whereas those Donbass areas were not -- so what China's saying is that they regard the Ukraine as a better hustle-target than Russia (and maybe easier to work with before Ukraine collapses). Therefore Ukraine should have the Crimea, which is what China would like to get control of in the long term, while Russia keeps the Donbass regions which China doesn't currently care about picking up later.

(I posted a video about the overall plan many pages ago, so people might remember this from that.)

[JasonPratt]

Meanwhile, the Russian Defense Ministry Building in Moscow has taken a jump out of a yacht's window or words to that effect...!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-defence-ministry-building-is-on-fire-in-centre-of-moscow/ar-AA19w5wT?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=19aa31729706495795c1d2310589347f&ei=34

a "power grid emergency."

[JasonPratt]

Completely unrelated to any fire at the Defense Ministry cough!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/top-russian-oligarch-found-dead-in-cell-under-mysterious-circumstances/ss-AA19w76j?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=5559201e7a5c46b1a6f8464f9ce1e185&ei=33

Today's winner of the Russian Lottery is Igor Shkurko, deputy general director of Russian energy company Yakutskenergo.

[Gusington]

The ongoing destruction of Russia's 331st Guards Parachute Regiment, from the BBC:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65179074

[JasonPratt]

I will never not be amused by the historical background of Russian parachute units being designated as "Guards". 

[Sir Slash]

MORE careless cigarette smoking at the Defense Ministry? 

[Gusington]

The Russian 331st is certainly not amused by our amusement.

[Windigo]

As you might guess, China's stance on Crimea, while favorable to Ukraine, is not altruistic: China sees Ukraine as being part of its "Silk Road" Eastern Hemisphere project, which seeks to set up transport nodes, and ultimately transport control, of all sea and land routes between China and western Europe.

Along the way, they act like mob boss money lenders, granting nations / governments ridiculous loans at ridiculous terms, ideally to governments with a proven record of mismanagement and malfeasance, so that when their targets inevitably default on payment, China simply starts taking direct control and ownership of the country starting with the transport nodes they have their eye on, but also including key strategic resource production.

How are they different from the World Bank? Serious question.

I think you make a few good points, but you need to view these Chinese behaviours with larger context/framing.

[JasonPratt]

Okay, how is the World Bank planning to take control of half a total hemisphere's worth of transport nodes and key resource production areas for supplying its population and especially armies on the way to taking direct control and ownership of the nations it's bankrupting?

I'm admittedly VERY suspicious, incurably so probably, of the United Nations (especially) and similar one-world-government organization attempts; but to borrow Stalin's famous quip, how many divisions does the World Bank itself have?

If you answer they have indirect access to and influence on a tithe of military power through the UN, and of various rogue governments the WB hocs up, my reply will be: China directly controls a lot more force. It may be crappy force, but it's still better than the rogue nations they're financially tearing apart.

If you answer that the UN are the ones trying the same thing as China, then once again they don't (yet!) have direct control of much force (although some of it is qualitatively better than China's). But then the UN is the problematic tyranny competing with China; the WB is only a tool. Also, is the UN succeeding any better than China at economically ruining and thus taking control of other governments through taking direct control of their logistic powers (at first) without destroying itself in the process? (Probably!  )

[Windigo]

Africa.
Yes the WB lacks troops, but the effect is the same. The presence of troops on the ground to defend interests isn't as big a thing as you may think it is. Troops in Congo do nothing to mute the Congolese governments response when China is caught cheating in under-reporting copper ore mined. Roads get closed until the problem is dealt with.

[W8taminute]

Cylon hybrid in the bathtub random rambling time!



Jason brings up a good point.  The WB along with the WEF and UN are all components of a one world government.  The kings of the east, aka China, don't want to be subservient so war between east and west is inevitable.

[Windigo]

Sorry I brought this up.....     


Meanwhile here's a what if? Is this a delayed April Fool?

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/prior-to-the-war-in-ukraine-putin-was-planning-to-attack-japan-per-leaked-documents/ss-AA14MbL1?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=5873b9b0baa74f89b16a49e71e129841&ei=20#image=1

[Sir Slash]

Very hard to buy. My money'd be on the Samurai. 

[Gusington]

Again, 'Jesus Christ Russia.'

That is really hard to believe, but if it happened, Japan would have smacked down Russia so hard that Ukraine would have felt it anyway.

Russia clearly hasn't learned anything since 1905.

[Tripoli]

I wouldn't put too much stock in that story IRT Russia going to war with Japan. The Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan, Article 5 comits the US to defending Japan if it is attacked by a third party.....