Assassins Creed Shadows

[al_infierno]

How is the inclusion of a gay man in Feudal Japan "distorting the truth"?  Are you under the impression that queer people didn't exist in Feudal Japan?  You've been waiting decades for a Feudal Japan game, and it pisses you off so much that they added a gay romance as opposed to all the time travel nonsense the series has been doing since the first game, as if that's "historically accurate"?  Who's even to say whether Yasuke was gay or straight or bisexual or asexual or even fucking transgender, there's barely any historical documentation about him.

There's no controversy being created here except by the fucking morons who write articles like the one you linked simply stating that the inclusion of a queer romance is somehow controversial.  The only thing "controversial" I see here is the fact that W8aminute can openly call queer people "wicked" without so much a warning.

What evidence do you have that the option for queer romance comes at the expense of the game itself?  What does that even mean, at the expense of the game itself?  Is the gameplay going to somehow suffer because you can kiss a guy if you want?  Let me ask you: Who exactly is putting the undue emphasis on gay relationships?  The developers, who are creating a product neither you nor I nor the authors of the article have played?  Or the authors of the article and you?

If you think the existence of queer people and their inclusion in media is somehow "controversial" and not an issue of bald faced homophobia, then yes, I do think you're an asshole.

[Jarhead0331]

How is the inclusion of a gay man in Feudal Japan "distorting the truth"?  Are you under the impression that queer people didn't exist in Feudal Japan?  You've been waiting decades for a Feudal Japan game, and it pisses you off so much that they added a gay romance as opposed to all the time travel nonsense the series has been doing since the first game, as if that's "historically accurate"?  Who's even to say whether Yasuke was gay or straight or bisexual or asexual or even fucking transgender, there's barely any historical documentation about him.

There's no controversy being created here except by the fucking morons who write articles like the one you linked simply stating that the inclusion of a queer romance is somehow controversial.  The only thing "controversial" I see here is the fact that W8aminute can openly call queer people "wicked" without so much a warning.

What evidence do you have that the option for queer romance comes at the expense of the game itself?  What does that even mean, at the expense of the game itself?  Is the gameplay going to somehow suffer because you can kiss a guy if you want?  Let me ask you: Who exactly is putting the undue emphasis on gay relationships?  The developers, who are creating a product neither you nor I nor the authors of the article have played?  Or the authors of the article and you?

If you think the existence of queer people and their inclusion in media is somehow "controversial" and not an issue of bald faced homophobia, then yes, I do think you're an asshole.

You need to fucking cool your jets. I know gay and trans issues are a total trigger for you and it causes you to become hateful and full of vitriol. But you should know that it's very cheap and unbecoming to try to discredit someone by accusing them of being "racist", "sexist", "homophobic" or whatever pejorative you want to use.

Until you're able to communicate on these issues like a human being, I'm just going to ignore you on these topics. Because, quite frankly, I don't care nearly as much as you do and it's not worth it to me.

[Gusington]

Where did W8 call anyone wicked?

My take here is that these hot-button topics are being force-injected into a game that can do very well on its own without the force-injection...something like Assassin's Creed: Shadows can stand on its own without trying to be edgy just for the sake of being edgy.

I don't put words in other peoples' mouths - that is where I think JH is coming from.

Don't understand where the anger is coming from here, Al.

[al_infierno]

Where did W8 call anyone wicked?

My take here is that these hot-button topics are being force-injected into a game that can do very well on its own without the force-injection...something like Assassin's Creed: Shadows can stand on its own without trying to be edgy just for the sake of being edgy.

I don't put words in other peoples' mouths - that is where I think JH is coming from.

Don't understand where the anger is coming from here, Al.

You're telling me a Jesus freak saying "wicked world" in response to an article about queer relationships has nothing whatsoever to do with queer people?  I called him out on it via DM and he literally quoted Genesis about how men are supposed to be with women, and being gay is a distraction from Lucifer.  So forgive me if I don't buy this golly-gee "well he didn't specifically say he hates gay people" bullshit.

Once again, the only people I see forcing anything or being edgy are the people who write worthless articles bitching about the inclusion of queerness.  What's "edgy" or "force-injected" about a character being gay?  My point is that nobody knows what Yasuke's sexual preferences were, so there's nothing being "distorted" by choosing to make him gay or bisexual.  It's just artistic liberty.  Why jump to assume the overall product would be worse simply by its inclusion?  It's clearly not romance that's the problem, but specifically gay romance.

[Gusington]

^Al you really know nothing about me or who I am or who I know or my family or anything really, so you should probably get off your high horse and come back down to earth.

And calling W8 a Jesus freak isn't exactly liberal or all-welcoming either.

W8 called the world wicked, not gays. Read into what you like. And if you called him out on it in a DM, how am I supposed to know that?

You need to chill.

[al_infierno]

^Al you really know nothing about me or who I am or who I know or my family or anything really, so you should probably get off your high horse and come back down to earth.

What prompted this reply...? I didn't say anything about you or your family.

W8 called the world wicked, not gays. Read into what you like. And if you called him out on it in a DM, how am I supposed to know that?

It's not some wild reading or leap in logic to make the obvious connection that he's calling the world wicked because of queerness.  And you weren't supposed to know that; That's why I said it.

[Gusington]

The issue here is the game can be produced from beginning to end without the mention of any type of sexuality at all.

Beyond that, I posted the above because you are inferring that all of us here, including me, are anti-gay somehow. Which could not be farther from the truth.

All while calling W8 a Jesus freak. And JH an asshole.

Again, I repeat...you need to chill.

[al_infierno]

The issue here is the game can be produced from beginning to end without the mention of any type of sexuality at all.

Why is it an issue to mention that the game will have LGBTQ representation?  I don't understand this argument at all.  I am really not trying to suggest anyone here aside from W8 is homophobic (I really don't see how you can interpret his comment or his follow-up Genesis quote about Lucifer as anything else), but all I'm getting from the arguments here is that it's for some reason terrible to merely mention that the game will include a queer romance.  How is that any different than mentioning that the game has a straight romance, or any romantic options at all?  Where do you draw the line between "needless injection" and merely another component in a very complex product meant to appeal to a wide variety of people?

I apologize for calling JH an asshole, that was over the line. 

[Gusington]

^I would be fine without any romance at all. This a series about assassins...how does romance fit in? I don't think the romantic facets here should be included in a historically based game - it doesn't need any romantic component at all. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I felt the same about Baldur's Gate 3, The Witcher, etc.

In fantasy I guess I am a little more accepting of romance being included. How fantastical is this Assassin's Creed game? It's complicated.

That's where I'm coming from.

[Jarhead0331]

I apologize for calling JH an asshole, that was over the line. 

While the accusation is not always untrue ( ), in this context it was. Regardless, I accept your apology.

I'm still not going to touch this topic again because it is way too emotional for you and of little to no importance to me. So its not worth ruffling the feathers.

[W8taminute]

And calling W8 a Jesus freak isn't exactly liberal or all-welcoming either.

No he's right.  I don't mind being called that haha! 

I stand with Israel.

[Jarhead0331]

Putting aside the prior hotly debated controversies, tomorrow is release day. I've watched some initial impression and early reviews and the game seems to have some highs and lows (I guess like all other games). It does look pretty cool to me in the game play videos so I'm tempted to get it. My biggest concern is whether any Japanese/Samurai themed game can ever measure up to Ghost of Tsushima. It set the bar so extraordinarily high, being one of the greatest games ever made in my view. I'm afraid it is the bar upon which all Samurai themed games will forever be measured.

Also, I'm so engrossed in KCD2, that I don't really need any significant distractions.

Anyone going to pick this up?

[Pete Dero]

Around 20 reviews :

https://www.bluesnews.com/s/282228/assassin_s-creed-shadows-reviews


Not for me.  Right now, I don't need another game that will take me 100 hours to finish.

[Silent Disapproval Robot]

Gonna pass.  I don't want to reward the company's line of thinking.

[Jarhead0331]

Despite the questionably very positive reviews on Steam and some overly negative reviews elsewhere, I decided to give it a shot. I've always been a fan of the series and bringing it to Japan has been a long time no-brainer of a dream for me since the very beginning. I watched a bunch of game play videos and I thought it looked very good. So, what the heck.

The biggest problem with the game so far is that it starts off VERY slow. Like glacier slow. There are a $hit-ton of cut scenes and many of them are painfully slow, as well. It's a very questionable design decision in a game like this to ask someone to sit through a very slow cut scene only to throw them into a mundane task like going to paint with a kid, only to then throw the player right back into another dull cut scene. The maps are also very linear so far. Seems that you only move between locations along a relatively narrow path before running into a virtual wall. I'm very hopeful that this is only because I'm still early on in the story and that the maps will open up. I see potential in both characters as far as combat is concerned. Combat is very simple early on, but I trust the progression system will mix this up eventually. Furthermore, there seem to be some really enjoyable stealth options and mechanics which I hope will bring the game back to its series roots. Despite my early thoughts on including a controversial historically questionable and non-traditional character such as Yasuke, I rather like his story so far. A strange foreigner whose curiosity so intrigued Oda Nobunaga that the warlord took him away from his Portuguese slave owners in order to bring him into his own service. Furthermore, there is something cool about being a giant black dude surrounded by hundreds of tiny Japanese and using brute force to knock them all around.

In any event, I do hope it picks up, because there could be a better than average AC game in here somewhere. I can already tell it is no Ghost of Tsushima or even KCD2. Both of those games are far superior, but if you like AC games, this is probably still worth a look.