Securom and SafeDisc DRM Not Welcome on Windows 10

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bbmike

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August 18, 2015, 05:20:48 AM
Quote from: gameleaper on August 18, 2015, 01:14:17 AM
I just read there is an alienware high end SteamBox, looks like an xmass gift to myself

The Alienware Alpha. I have on myself and love it. If you do get one I highly recommend getting a SSD to replace the regular hard drive. Also, I've read some of the new models won't let you have the option to switch to Windows if you want to (in case you need a desktop as well).
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Ian C

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August 18, 2015, 07:57:19 AM
Quote from: Nefaro on August 17, 2015, 04:41:39 PM
Quote from: Ian C on August 17, 2015, 04:09:18 PM
So to play the games we paid for legitimately, we have to resort to using an illegal crack which likely involves searching through infected sites for a potentially infected .exe?




Just one of the results of DRM.  Even if it's not too buggy by itself, there will always be possible compatibility issues for that crap in the future.

At least there is an option, of sorts.  It's nobody's fault but the publisher who put the DRM on in the first place AFAIC.

So it seems the only way to 'future proof' our purchases with DRM is to 'invest' in a no-cd crack?. Morally, I have no issues with that, seeing as I buy all my games legitimately. If I choose to alter the game .exe, then that's a breach of the EULA, not the law?

JasonPratt

#17
August 18, 2015, 10:15:48 AM
I continue to be Win Ten Free!  >:D

(Though most older SecuRom titles are available for rebuy, sometimes at deep discounts, on GoG nowadays anyway.)
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bbmike

#18
August 18, 2015, 11:04:13 AM
Quote from: Ian C on August 18, 2015, 07:57:19 AM
So it seems the only way to 'future proof' our purchases with DRM is to 'invest' in a no-cd crack?. Morally, I have no issues with that, seeing as I buy all my games legitimately. If I choose to alter the game .exe, then that's a breach of the EULA, not the law?

I also continue to wonder how "future proof" my Steam purchases are.  :-\
"My life is spent in one long effort to escape from the commonplace of existence."
-Sherlock Holmes

"You know, just once I'd like to meet an alien menace that wasn't immune to bullets."
-Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart

"There's a horror movie called Alien? That's really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you!"
-The Doctor

"Before Man goes to the stars he should learn how to live on Earth."
-Clifford D. Simak

Greybriar

#19
August 18, 2015, 12:11:13 PM
Quote from: bbmike on August 18, 2015, 11:04:13 AM
I also continue to wonder how "future proof" my Steam purchases are.  :-\

That would appear to be a cause for concern. Particularly since many games on Steam have their own DRM in addition to whatever DRM Steam uses for the title.
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ArizonaTank

#20
August 18, 2015, 12:42:23 PM
I don't think there are any good solutions.  Let's just hope GoG continues to thrive, and keeps their portfolio up to date.   
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Nefaro

#21
August 18, 2015, 03:09:26 PM
Quote from: Ian C on August 18, 2015, 07:57:19 AM


So it seems the only way to 'future proof' our purchases with DRM is to 'invest' in a no-cd crack?. Morally, I have no issues with that, seeing as I buy all my games legitimately. If I choose to alter the game .exe, then that's a breach of the EULA, not the law?


Yup.  EULA territory.  Publishers put anything they want into EULAs so take that as it is - companies making their own rules that may or may not stand up to legal scrutiny or procedures.

Remember when one game company added the clause that they will "own your eternal soul" if you agree to their EULA?  To make a point about game companies' increasingly ridiculous EULAs and DRM, of course.  Made a brilliant point.  They removed that shortly afterward, of course.  ;D

I don't have any qualms about circumventing such things in order to get something I own working properly.  Shouldn't have been crippled with the junk in the first place.  :knuppel2:

OJsDad

#22
August 18, 2015, 03:53:30 PM
I remember playing games on my Atari 800XL, others played on Commodores.  Heck, I'll go back to my first computer, a Sinclair ZX81.  I'm pretty sure they don't make those system anymore.   Anyone still games on 5 1/4" floppys they cannot play because they cannot find a drive for that size disk anymore.   I'm not sure why everyone is so shocked that given enough time, you're current software will not run on newer OS's and hardware. 
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Huw the Poo

#23
August 18, 2015, 05:02:59 PM
Actually, it's perfectly possible to play all those old games, you don't even need the original hardware any more.

Also your comparison is somewhat disingenuous.  You're comparing today's games to games that are literally decades old.  This latest development means that in certain scenarios even GTA4 can't be played; hardly an ancient game.

I'll never understand why people defend DRM.  It confers precisely zero benefit to anybody, including those who purport to gain from it, meanwhile it can and does make life harder for paying customers.  It's utterly indefensible.

OJsDad

#24
August 18, 2015, 09:54:43 PM
Interesting.  I didn't know if someone still had their old disks from Atari and Commodore they could load them on their Windows machine.

As for defending DRM, I'm not.  My point is valid though.  Given time and your current library of software may be unusable do to lack of hardware and or OS support. 
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gameleaper

#25
August 18, 2015, 11:52:01 PM
Quote from: bbmike on August 18, 2015, 05:20:48 AM
Quote from: gameleaper on August 18, 2015, 01:14:17 AM
I just read there is an alienware high end SteamBox, looks like an xmass gift to myself

The Alienware Alpha. I have on myself and love it. If you do get one I highly recommend getting a SSD to replace the regular hard drive. Also, I've read some of the new models won't let you have the option to switch to Windows if you want to (in case you need a desktop as well).

thanks bb I would like an SSD version too.
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