News from Ukraine Conflict

[bayonetbrant]

A good article on Russia's hybrid doctrine and how it's working in Ukraine

[Centurion40]

As if we didn't know this already:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32840502

Yeah. 

Russia says they're just "volunteers".  More like "volunteered". 

Reportedly ordered to (temporarily?) resign from the Russian military and join the rest of the Russian military fighting in Ukraine.  As if having hordes of enlisted soldiers resigning from the military is both common and accepted. 

Sometimes I wonder why the Russkies even bother spinning stuff like that.  As mentioned before.. obviously meant more for internal nationalist consumption because those are the only ones who buy the nonsense.   ;D

Or perhaps they mean "volunteers" in that Vlad isn't sending in the conscripts... yet.

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

"Russia's army is massing troops and hundreds of pieces of weaponry including mobile rocket launchers, tanks and artillery at a makeshift base near the border with Ukraine, a Reuters reporter saw this week."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/27/us-ukraine-crisis-russia-military-idUSKBN0OC2K820150527

[Greybriar]

"Russia's army is massing troops and hundreds of pieces of weaponry including mobile rocket launchers, tanks and artillery at a makeshift base near the border with Ukraine, a Reuters reporter saw this week."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/27/us-ukraine-crisis-russia-military-idUSKBN0OC2K820150527

That doesn't look good. I wonder how long it will be until someone posts to this thread that Ukraine has surrendered.

[bayonetbrant]

I wonder what "border" the Russians are considering the "border with Ukraine"?

The real border?
The "rebel" border in the Donbass?
The Polish border?

[Staggerwing]

The border will be wherever the capital and political loss-benefit ratio stops favoring Putin's ends. Even he probably doesn't quite know where that will end up being.

[Centurion40]

I wonder what "border" the Russians are considering the "border with Ukraine"?

The real border?
The "rebel" border in the Donbass?
The Polish border?

Should we start a pool?

I'm taking the Dnieper from Kherson to the Dnipropetrovsk Oblast.  That oblast will be divided along the Dnieper with all east of the Dnieper going to Russia/the Russian puppet state, and everything west staying in Ukraine. Poltava Oblast will stay in Ukraine, but Kharkiv will go to the Russians, as will everything east of Kharkiv.  I'll gamble and say that Sumy will stay Ukrainian, but THAT's really iffy.

If the Russians push on the Poltava Oblast, Ukraine will wage war with everything they have.  If they lose Poltava, they'll surrender to the Russians.

[Barthheart]

My bet is Polish border.... with Germany..... 

[GDS_Starfury]

my guess would be the Oder or the Rhine.

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

They will take the entire coast. They may leave the north west quarter of the country as a buffer. The capital is significant in their history, it is unlikely they will leave it outside Russia.

[BanzaiCat]

I hope Mike is ready to welcome his new Russian democratic overlords.

[Centurion40]

So long as they don't try to build a shed on his land, things might be ok.

[mirth]

So long as they don't try to build a shed on his land, things might be ok.

[Gusington]

Mike's a partisan already!

[BanzaiCat]