Paris Shooting

[GDS_Starfury]

wasnt Europe awash with terrorist groups during the 70s and 80s?

[bayonetbrant]

wasnt Europe awash with terrorist groups during the 70s and 80s?

yes, but they were all quasi-socialist/politically-motivated twits

[Atilla60]

wasnt Europe awash with terrorist groups during the 70s and 80s?

Absolutely
But was it a result of immigration?

[Staggerwing]

wasnt Europe awash with terrorist groups during the 70s and 80s?

Yeah, and most of those were populated by white Western uppermiddleclass neurotic young adults with mommy/daddy issues who were seeking some kind of primetime liebestod.

[Atilla60]

wasnt Europe awash with terrorist groups during the 70s and 80s?

Yeah, and most of those were populated by white Western uppermiddleclass neurotic young adults with mommy/daddy issues who were seeking some kind of primetime liebestod.

Exactly !

[jomni]

I wonder if it is a problem of concentration, in that certain areas have a large concentration of immigrant families, which facilitates the retention of certain home-country mindsets.  Therefore the children do not effectively assimilate to the local culture.

Let's say you're right. Just for the sake of argument :)

Doesn't it beg the question:
Why haven't other religious/cultural minorities (In Europe as a whole) blown up trains, assassinated (or attempted assassinations) of film directors, authors, cartoonists and/or simple random civilians, because their religious feeling were hurt? <BLEEP> <BLEEPING> <BLEEP>

Why is that?

Take out the religious link and it sounds like the US.  There are nut jobs everywhere.  It just so happens thery are the type that link their actions with religion.

Take the shootings in the US for example.  We always blame outliers of society that are generally shunned and bullied. Their feelings were hurt and they fight back.

Some Muslims feel (or brainwashed into thinking) they were ridiculed, oppressed and feel that they need to fight back.

It's just (the flawed) human nature.

[Anguille]

I wonder if it is a problem of concentration, in that certain areas have a large concentration of immigrant families, which facilitates the retention of certain home-country mindsets.  Therefore the children do not effectively assimilate to the local culture.

Let's say you're right. Just for the sake of argument :)

Doesn't it beg the question:
Why haven't other religious/cultural minorities (In Europe as a whole) blown up trains, assassinated (or attempted assassinations) of film directors, authors, cartoonists and/or simple random civilians, because their religious feeling were hurt? <BLEEP> <BLEEPING> <BLEEP>

Why is that?

Take out the religious link and it sounds like the US.  There are nut jobs everywhere.  It just so happens thery are the type that link their actions with religion.

Take the shootings in the US for example.  We always blame outliers of society that are generally shunned and bullied. Their feelings were hurt and they fight back.

Some Muslims feel (or brainwashed into thinking) they were ridiculed, oppressed and feel that they need to fight back.

It's just (the flawed) human nature.

I agree.

And given the appropriate political conditions (Nazi Germany for example)), you find enougth crazy christian (or else) people (and they found them in all the countries they were) who like to kill, torture etc.

[Staggerwing]

The thing that sets these local IS-hole wannabes apart from the stereotypical school shooter types in the US (and in a few other places) is that for the non-religious western 'outlier' nutjobs there is no international network of manipulative daddy-surrogates with guns, money, and terrorism training camps who are just a chatroom away.

[Gusington]

Exactly, and that's a big difference. What we do see starting to happen is lunatic suburban kids somehow latching on to Islamofascist propaganda, like that nutbar Chris Cornell in Ohio. A fusion of two lunatic camps, the outlier and the fascist.

[JasonPratt]

Disgusting. That is the other part of the problem, they do not value life like normal people.

Historically (and biologically) speaking, the normal position is not to value human life much except where it immediately benefits a human, or a human's feelings, to do so (family, clan, etc.)

There is one main reason why Western Civilization has come to value human life per se as much as we do (so far as that goes, which still isn't always very far) so that we think this is and should be the norm. And it has taken us almost 2000 years to get as far as we have with that.