Jarhead's newest toy...

Jarhead0331 · August 28, 2015, 08:54:32 AM

The Keltec KSG. This is going to be my new home defense gun.

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The KSG (Kel-Tec Shotgun) is Kel-Tec CNC's first entry into the shotgun market. The size, shape, and design is similar to the currently available Kel-Tec RFB rifle (which I also have), but the KSG ejects downward, instead of forward. The KSG weighs 6.9 lbs. and is as compact as legally possible with a 26.1" overall length and an 18.5" cylinder bore barrel. Even with this compact size, the internal dual tube magazines hold an impressive 12 rounds of 12 gauge 3" rounds in total (6 per tube). It can also reliably shoot shells as short as 1 3/4" up to the 3" (it will hold 14 (7 per tube) + 1 in the chamber of 2 3/4" shells).

This simple and reliable pump action feeds from either the left or right tube. The feed side is manually selected by a lever located behind the trigger guard.

The pump includes an under picatinny rail for the mounting of a forward grip, a light, or a laser. The included top picatinny sight rail will accept many types of optics or iron sights. Forward and rear sling loops are built in, and a basic sling is included. The soft rubber butt pad helps to tame recoil.

The KSG receiver is made from hardened steel and includes the magazine tubes which have been welded in place. The grip and stock assembly is made of glass reinforced nylon (Zytel) and is easily disassembled by pushing out 2 pins, which store in 2 holes in the grip when removed. The barrel and pump assembly is removed by loosening the 2 front magazine tube nuts with a coin and sliding the assembly forward.

The ability to switch magazine tubes on the fly is an extremely valuable and unique feature here. I have mine loaded with solid slug in one tube and buckshot in the other. I have put a magpul vertical grip on the bottom rail and an eotech holosight on the top. I have ordered a few aftermarket upgrades, including a side rail for mounting a flashlight, a single-point sling attachment and a more accessible switch for the magazine tube selector.

Holding the gun feels outstanding. It is very well balanced and feels extremely natural and comfortable. I have not shot it yet, but hope to by labor day weekend.

One potential danger is the unusually short barrel in relation to the position of the pump. I've read stories about people whose hands have slipped while pumping causing the weak hand to slide in front of the barrel during operation leading to obviously disastrous results. I attribute this to poor shooter control and inexperience. That being said, I am aware of the issue and will be sure to always know where my hand is before I pull the trigger. I'm thinking about adding a muzzle brake to extend the barrel out a bit and give me a few extra inches of coverage behind the barrel.

For comparison with a standard AR

Centurion40 · August 28, 2015, 08:55:41 AM

You should get that flame-thrower before it's too late and the ban comes in!

BTW, the muzzle break is a great idea.

Silent Disapproval Robot · August 28, 2015, 09:55:32 AM

I've had mine for a couple of years now. Great little shotgun and much more accurate than I thought it would be. I was a bit worried about reliability due to Kel-Tec's reputation but I've had zero issues with mine with over 1,000 round put through it. I went with a pistol grip on the pump for mine to prevent any hand slippage. I also added a red dot sight. I usually just go with 6 rounds in each tube as getting the 7th in can be a bit tight which makes flipping the selector switch over a bit problematic. Reloading is slow. I just turn the thing right over in order to access the feed/ejection port. I've also found that reassembling the thing after cleaning can be frustrating. The firing pin assembly is in a relatively small detachable block that sits atop a slide with a couple of notches cut out to hold the block in place. When I reassemble the gun after cleaning, I find that the block will sometimes pop out of the notches and the pump won't slide fully forward and lock in place. I have had the best luck by holding the shotgun above me so I can see that the block is sitting in the groves as I slide the pump forward.

Jarhead0331 · August 28, 2015, 11:10:27 AM

Is yours a first or second generation? I usually hold off awhile on buying keltec guns because their designs are pretty radical and I find they make improvements eventually based on user feedback.

Mine is second gen and it has cuts at various spots in the mag rubes so you can see if the gun is loaded.

LongBlade · August 28, 2015, 01:21:01 PM

Cool, JH.

I've been thinking about getting one of those for a while. SDR posted here a while back that he liked his. Now with more time with it I'm glad he shared the additional info.

The grip sounds like a good move. By the sound of things you've spent more on the upgrades than you did on the gun ;)

MikeGER · August 28, 2015, 01:52:18 PM

...what no bayonet attachment now i am disapointed ;)

(when its from Kel Tec probably a little chain saw then)

Jarhead0331 · August 28, 2015, 02:22:14 PM

Quote from: LongBlade on August 28, 2015, 01:21:01 PM
Cool, JH.

I've been thinking about getting one of those for a while. SDR posted here a while back that he liked his. Now with more time with it I'm glad he shared the additional info.

The grip sounds like a good move. By the sound of things you've spent more on the upgrades than you did on the gun ;)

Not at all. The upgrades were relatively cheap pieces. With shipping, the total came to just over $100.

JasonPratt · August 28, 2015, 02:46:56 PM

:o :o Ooooo, that shotgun sure has some nice lines; looks very balanced, too.

A straight up XCom or Space Marine scout weapon.

LongBlade · August 28, 2015, 03:24:17 PM

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 28, 2015, 02:22:14 PM
Not at all. The upgrades were relatively cheap pieces. With shipping, the total came to just over $100.

Including the EOTech? Tell me where to buy one!

Silent Disapproval Robot · August 28, 2015, 03:30:24 PM

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 28, 2015, 11:10:27 AM
Is yours a first or second generation? I usually hold off awhile on buying keltec guns because their designs are pretty radical and I find they make improvements eventually based on user feedback.

Mine is second gen and it has cuts at various spots in the mag rubes so you can see if the gun is loaded.

Mine is 2nd gen. It's got the little slits in each tube. An even better improvement is the ejector. The first gens would chuck the spent cartridge straight down with some force and a lot of shooters were reporting that it would cut their firing hand wrist up. The 2nd gens throw the cartridge forward so you don't get whacked by it.

Forgot to mention in my earlier post. When you do go out to shoot it, be sure to rack the slide with authority. If you short stroke it even slightly, the feeder will likely jam up on you.

airboy · August 28, 2015, 06:57:58 PM

Quote from: JasonPratt on August 28, 2015, 02:46:56 PM
:o :o Ooooo, that shotgun sure has some nice lines; looks very balanced, too.

A straight up XCom or Space Marine scout weapon.

+1 to you. I could not place what I was thinking about - but you nailed it.

Staggerwing · August 28, 2015, 07:42:39 PM

The pistol grip means I probably can't own one here in the Nutmeg State.

Jarhead0331 · August 28, 2015, 08:18:58 PM

Quote from: LongBlade on August 28, 2015, 03:24:17 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 28, 2015, 02:22:14 PM
Not at all. The upgrades were relatively cheap pieces. With shipping, the total came to just over $100.

Including the EOTech? Tell me where to buy one!

No no. I don't consider the eotech an aftermarket upgrade. I'm just talking about the tube selector switch, single point sling attachment and side rail mount. The eotech cost between 300 and 400.

Jarhead0331 · August 28, 2015, 08:20:13 PM

Quote from: Staggerwing on August 28, 2015, 07:42:39 PM
The pistol grip means I probably can't own one here in the Nutmeg State.

Don't be so sure. It's a pump action, not a semi auto. It's perfectly legal in nys, so I'd imagine it would be legal everywhere else too. That being said, make sure you check your local laws first. C:-)

LongBlade · August 29, 2015, 09:17:05 AM

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 28, 2015, 08:18:58 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on August 28, 2015, 03:24:17 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 28, 2015, 02:22:14 PM
Not at all. The upgrades were relatively cheap pieces. With shipping, the total came to just over $100.

Including the EOTech? Tell me where to buy one!

No no. I don't consider the eotech an aftermarket upgrade. I'm just talking about the tube selector switch, single point sling attachment and side rail mount. The eotech cost between 300 and 400.

Got it.