Student Arrested for Clock 'Bomb'

[mirth]

getting shot in the face by the police for hos

sounds very Mirthy

Very.

[LongBlade]

Thanks for clarifying that, guys.

JH, you were right. The kid made something that did look suspicious and his father appears to be (at the least) starved for attention.

I do have to question why, according to Brant's posts, the cops didn't evacuate the building if they were taking things seriously? And if they weren't taking things seriously why was the kid handcuffed and questioned so vigorously? It seems like the reaction and the suspicion have a real mismatch.

[mirth]

Based on what I know now about the father, I think the police may have suspected he put the son up to it, but because they couldn't prove it they had to let the kid go. I think they might have been trying to get something from the kid to implicate the father. Yes that's supposition on my part, but it fits with what I've learned today.

[mirth]

There's clearly more to the story than what is being widely reported. The background of the father is being completely ignored by the mainstream media.

[Bison]

Interesting read and most certainly the last I will venture to entertain about the latest story of 24 hour news cycle #OUTRAGE.
http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves/

[LongBlade]

Interesting read and most certainly the last I will venture to entertain about the latest story of 24 hour news cycle #OUTRAGE.
http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves/

Excellent article, Bison. Thanks.

[MikeGER]

Interesting read and most certainly the last I will venture to entertain about the latest story of 24 hour news cycle #OUTRAGE.
http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves/

Excellent article, Bison. Thanks.

+1

so actually the kid did not engineered a clock, he just did a crude  case-mod
(from a vintage 80ties model case into a hoax-bomb model case)

reading the story about the father (no country should harbor those kind of 'refugees' from the beginning anyway) .
I just invented a new science-project for American kids from the opposite site.

the Schrödinger's Quran: put a Quran (the cheepest you can find) in a tight case and a randomize devise that either release a very corrosive liquid (or any other fluid, that came to mind) on the book or not...so Quran is either humiliated or not? Should there be reason for outrage or not?  make a nice YT video ...and let got it go viral  ...and watch the Media kneejerk reaction on that stunt;D

(when the Media has gone apeshit, release a making-of YT video, which shows the 'Quran' placed in the case, was actually a quantum mechanics physics text book with just a Quran wrapping book cover... so no actual holy book was harmed in the science/art project ...we dont want embassies stormed and people getting killed) 

so where are my Pasadena's JPL or Caltec job offerings now for re-inventing the Schrödinger Thought Experiment and adapting it to our troubled times ;-) 

   

[endfire79]

Looking back in retrospect after a chaotic work week and not much free time .. 

Schools these days aren't like they were when I attended 20 years ago.  A lot of things have happened since then that force people to be more aware of things around them.
The kids' technical teacher  advised him against showing around his gadget to other teachers.  I'm assuming he was given some friendly and responsible advice, which was not followed. Then again, I don't expect 15 year olds to listen to much advice - I know I didn't back then.

A staff member (presumably someone who was not the technology teacher), alarmed at the students gadget decided to report it to the admins.  He/she did was following part of her role as a teacher of the school, this is what is expected (teachers looking out for the welfare and security of the students and school).

What happened between the time the kid was in the principals office and when the cops decided to arrest him and someone having to take a photo of it as well for the papers, I'm not sure 100%.  I'm hoping by this time, they realized this was not a bomb. The kid did not say it was a bomb, quite the contrary.  A 15 year old in the school office usually starts blubbering like a 15 year does, and admits everything.  In that light, I don't know why they had to arrest the kid and handcuff him.  This was a big SNAFU, that went waaaaay too far. 

As for the father now, the guy is a Sufist (basically in plain speak, you're into mysticism) and in many countries, they are persecuted.   Apart from that, he sounds like a 'character' (which isn't a legal offense afik), but nothing threatening. Probably upset at seeing his kid cuffed after a bad call - who wouldn't be.

[bayonetbrant]

To me, it all comes back to the school. If they legitimately thought it was a bomb, they would've evacuated. I know, I've been through 3 evacuations

[Staggerwing]

The school knew it was not a bomb. The tech teacher had already seen it and knew it was harmless (if disquieting). He or she would have taken steps at that point if needed. After the next teacher became alarmed the school probably tried to make some kind of an example out of the kid vis a vis the school's policy on bomb hoaxes (though those are usually, though not always, phoned in as opposed to resulting from props) as opposed to actual bomb threats. I think the admin's reaction had much more to do with knee-jerk asserting of authority than any kind of immediate concern over student safety. Maybe the admin feels that their leadership is being questioned a little too often and on this occasion the self-preservation instinct triggered was not one of physical survival but of career survival.

[Bison]

The key is "hoax".  There is no need to evacuate and cause panic in that situation.

[LongBlade]

An interesting article about false racism.

The police overreacted. Yet the device did look like something Ethan Hunt would lob out of a helicopter at the last minute in "Mission: Impossible." As National Review's Charles Cooke pointed out on Twitter, the scary-looking tangle of wires "looks a lot more like a bomb than a pop tart looks like a gun."

Josh Welch, a white Maryland kid with ADHD who was 7 years old when he was kicked out of school for chewing a Pop-Tart into the shape of a pistol and pretending to shoot other students with it, must be puzzled.

Where's his White House invitation? Where's his chance to start networking at Facebook? His parents were forced to hire a lawyer and spent a year and a half just trying to get the suspension erased from the kid's record. They were repeatedly refused.

"I stand with Ahmed, too. But I also stand with Alex Stone," noted Reason writer Robby Soave. Alex Stone, a 16-year-old white kid from Summerville, SC, wrote a short story in which he imagined using a gun to kill a dinosaur. For this his locker was searched and he was arrested, handcuffed, charged with "disorderly conduct" and suspended from school for three days.

source: http://nypost.com/2015/09/19/how-ahmeds-clock-became-a-false-convenient-tale-of-racism/

[OJsDad]

A 15 year old in the school office usually starts blubbering like a 15 year does, and admits everything.  In that light, I don't know why they had to arrest the kid and handcuff him.  This was a big SNAFU, that went waaaaay too far. 

Don't assume that.  Plenty of 15 years olds think they're smarter and can be an arse to their teacher/principle because they think it funny.  Which is probably why the cops got called and he eventually ended up handcuffed. 

[bayonetbrant]

this is what happens when there's an actual bomb threat

http://abc11.com/news/sanderson-high-school-on-lockdown-after-bomb-threat/996274/


(BTW, this is here in town, about 2 miles from my house, and happening now)

[LongBlade]

Brant, I've been reading a bit more about the issue.

Irving, TX has been a major target of advocates of Sharia law. There is a long history of locking horns between Islamofascists and the locals.

This is clearly an excerpt, and the quote opens with a discussion of the kid's father.

Ahmed's handlers include the Council on American Islamic Relations, a.k.a. CAIR, an organization founded by the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas in the early 1990s to advance the Islamist agenda.  To them, "if you see something, say something," equals racism. What a great way to disarm America.

And now, we turn to Irving – America's battleground in the clash over Islam's Sharia Law.

Following an honor killing in which Egyptian taxi driver Yaser Said shot his two teen daughters Sarah and Amina in his cab because they became "too Westernized," and refused arranged marriages including to man nearly triple in age, Irving officials took a hardline position to help stop repeats.

In March of this year, Irving Mayor Beth Van Duyne made national news by pushing a Texas legislature bill, "American Laws for American Courts" which would stop judges from using foreign law in their rulings. She vocally opposed Sharia mediation at a local mega-mosque too. The Mayor knows that even under lenient interpretations, Sharia treats women and girls as property and thus prone to domestic abuse. In the most extreme cases, honor killings.

Well, guess who's been out to get the Mayor ever since?

If you guessed Ahmed's family, friends and CAIR, you'd be right.

So, enter the fresh faced, nerdy kid with the NASA shirt, who tinkers with go-carts and just wants to be an engineer someday. Hollywood couldn't have cast him better. Just three weeks into high school, he secretly carries in a device that any TSA agent at airport security would think is a bomb. Then provokes police to get arrested, leaving the cuffs on just long enough for his sister to snap a photo.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/21/did-america-get-trolled-by-ahmed-and-his-clock/