Civil War in France?!

[Greybriar]

This is scary:

Are the Muslims using their refugee status to take over the world?

[Atilla60]

I wonder why Jews are leaving Europe these days in staggering numbers ... It's a puzzle,

[CptHowdy]

bordertowns in USA face the same situation but its mexicans, not muslims. it is what happens when you dont enforce immigration laws, dont have the manpower to enforce those laws or dont want to seem insensitive to the plight of the illegal immigrants who only want to have their anchor baby in peace. there have been states here in the USA that have had to pass legislation against sharia law. people come here wanting all the benefits our society offers but dont want to abide by the laws. when those laws are enforced we are suddenly anti-whatever.

[Gusington]

I don't want to belittle the above story, but growing up there were plenty of ghettos that I would not be caught dead in because I was white. The above phenomena are not new, but may appear new because the ones in the ghettos are from outside the host country and are perhaps 'ghettoizing' themselves.

[Silent Disapproval Robot]

The difference is that some Muslims believe in the concept of Hijra, which is moving into the countries of the unbelievers with the end goal being to convert them to Islam.  We have more than a few clerics here in Canada who spew this nonsense yet never get punished for it.

http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/hijrah.htm


http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/260019/hijrah-europe-robert-spencer

[Boggit]

I'm not surprised. Sauron has being going on about this in his emails for months. Even his girlfriend was assaulted without cause on her way to work, by people he refers to as "Maghrebians". It's a big problem in France, and I'm hearing of similar stories from Germany, Sweden and  Belgium.

I'm sure our friends on the European continent will have their own views. Am I surprised that around 30% of French voters support Marine Le Pen, and almost 50% of Austrian voters supported Norbert Hofer? No.

I don't think that means that the voters are necessarily hard right, but I do think, from what I read and hear, that a lot of people are scared and don't expect their governments will protect them for fear of being labelled racist, by the supporters of such criminality. The far right then say they'll do something about it, and benefit by recruiting people who otherwise probably wouldn't support the far right.

Then again the vast majority of the political class don't live alongside the immigrant and domestic thugs, nor have to face the inverted racism from their own governments.

France even suspended and fined a police officer, Sébastien Jallamion,  5,000 euros for criticising Islamic State murdering a French citizen http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6893/france-politically-correct-war-on-islamic-terror (the basic details are about half way through the article) His comments were construed by Hollande's government as racist. With governments like that supposed to be avenging Charlie Hebdo and the Bataclan massacre, is it surprising that people don't feel safe, and the far right is the beneficiary?

[Boggit]

The difference is that some Muslims believe in the concept of Hijra, which is moving into the countries of the unbelievers with the end goal being to convert them to Islam.  We have more than a few clerics here in Canada who spew this nonsense yet never get punished for it.

http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/hijrah.htm


http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/260019/hijrah-europe-robert-spencer

Worrying. I guess Canada's response, from what you say, is to stick their head into the sand? :-\

[Silent Disapproval Robot]

Nothing quite so neutral I'm afraid.  Now that we have Zoolander as our PM, we're fully on board with European style stupidity and use the force of government to bully, threaten, and fine anyone who dares address problems related to the religion of peace.

[Nefaro]

Was only a matter of time before Political Incorrectness became a punishable crime.

Happens more often these days, and the SJWs even attempt to construct it where there is none.

[Boggit]

The above phenomena are not new, but may appear new because the ones in the ghettos are from outside the host country and are perhaps 'ghettoizing' themselves.

You're exactly right. O0 It's understandable though. If you don't speak the local language and you're of an alien culture, it's natural to be feel more secure living around other people who understand your way of thinking and can communicate with you. The ghetto issue needs a 2 way resolution.

But the word "host" can mean more than just someone opening their door to you. I read the other day on the internet that of over recent 100,000 migrants to Sweden that only 494 had got a job. I haven't been able to verify this yet, so it may just be malicious hearsay, but if true it represents a real problem for countries like Sweden. From what I'm hearing and reading of France and Germany, much the same is holding true.

With native populations being discriminated against as a matter of public policy in favour of migrants. See for example news items on the denial by public authorities of assaults and robberies by migrants, only for these to be later exposed - the Koln sexual assaults being the best known. However, there are also reports of murder, gang rapes of migrant charity workers (in Italy) being hushed up as it might inflame tensions, vandalism and theft by child migrant gangs in Hamburg, which the police are apparently made powerless to stop). So I am not surprised that there is an increase in support in the far right, as they are taking ownership of the issues that mainstream politicians are afraid to confront. Should we really be surprised that 30%+ of the electorate in France are supporting Marine Le Pen of the FN, that the AFD in Germany is one of the fastest growing political movements, or that Norbert Hofer got nearly 50% of the vote in Austria?

There has to be a better way of dealing with the clash of cultures, and that will take mainstream politicians to a place where they will have to make some hard, and firm decisions to properly manage migration in the interest of all involved.

I have nothing against managed integration of migrants, but the "multicultural" approach is divisive, and it feeds the fear of native people that they are second class citizens in their own country.

[Boggit]

Nothing quite so neutral I'm afraid.  Now that we have Zoolander as our PM, we're fully on board with European style stupidity and use the force of government to bully, threaten, and fine anyone who dares address problems related to the religion of peace.

Maybe you should be looking for a replacement PM? The EU is no example of good governance to anyone.

[Gusington]

When natives feel like second class citizens there is a real problem.

[Boggit]

When natives feel like second class citizens there is a real problem.

Exactly the issue. A Polish friend of mine (himself a migrant who has integrated well into British life) was saying the other day that the issue is being so badly handled by mainstream government in France and Germany that the next Holocaust will be the muslims in Europe. While he and I have no sympathy for the bad guys, it is the vast majority of people who mean no harm at all who will suffer if that happens. And it might. When I asked an Italian friend about the situation in Italy, he was sad about it. He empathises with the poverty of migrants and their humanity, but pointed out that migrant crime is high, the detention centres and prisons are full. So what does Italy do? He told me about 15% of Italians want the army to hunt the migrants down. He understands their sentiment, as he recognises the problem it has become but can't stomach the idea.

And all this because the mainstream career politicians are afraid of confronting the issues on an equable basis, and because they fear being labelled "racist" if they challenge or discuss migration.

What they really need to do is control their borders, set in place a workable immigration policy that does not flood areas with migrants, that in managing the numbers of migrants that they also manage integration of migrants so there isn't the "them and us" cultures. That calls for firm governance, and also needs to show that migrants understand that being a citizen carries responsibilities as well as rights. The need of integration is achieved by creating a common identity, rather than going down the route of multiculturalism and "diversity", which is simply a form of segregating people into identifiable groups, which then struggle for precedence in society. Mass migration is a failure for trying to achieve integration, as it just chokes and swamps the process, which needs time for adjustment. A good example of integration working is the USA. In many respects (not all, and yes it is still imperfect but) the US has been successful in creating Americans first with whatever heritage migrants brought with them second. This is what I'm arguing for as the best way to start resolving this issue.

I have no problem with people being proud of their heritage, but in an age of migration you need a common bond that integration brings if you are to live together in comparative peace.

[MetalDog]

I think part of the problem with migration is the lessons of integration need to be relearned/passed on to each area the migrants are fleeing to.  If you haven't experienced it before, or has been a long time since it has happened to your country, you may have forgotten some of the lessons the last wave taught your citizens/businesses/governments.  I think another part of the problem is that there are times when being an autocrat, or at least having the ability to temporarily imbue someone with the powers of diktat, would be helpful.  Being able to cut through red tape, order supplies and effort in needed areas, would be highly valuable to getting migrants settled.  And lastly, getting the new 'citizens' indoctrinated into the laws of the land.  And holding them accountable when they behave badly.  This is our country and if you want in, then you have to live as we do.  If not, you will be expelled.  It's not racism or hate, just the minimum expected behavior to be a citizen of ___.

[Gusington]

God willing there will never be a genocide like the Holocaust anywhere ever again.