Strategic Command WWII: War in Europe

[Grim.Reaper]

I played one turn.  I usually don't buy right away, but the turn took a long time, maybe mess with the settings.  39 dollars not to bad

yes, you can turn off computer moves in settings which will speed it up a bit, but you'll miss on seeing what the computer is doing across the map.

[demjansk1942]

True Grim, I am used to fast turns but it's okay

[Grim.Reaper]

True Grim, I am used to fast turns but it's okay

I understand, me too...developer said at times could take 9+ minutes (when large amount of units on map with actions) to process the AI so be prepared....will depend on PC setup as well.  They said it allows you to see the events on the map, which is true....but even when you see the events they kind of happen fast so not sure I will remember anyway.

[demjansk1942]

That's the one thing I disliked about Global Conflict.  This is a game that will be saved with multiple days of playing.

[Raied]

I will buy it once they include PBEM++

[Rayfer]

The points raised here are a reason why I'd never pick this one up:


http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4183340


One of the *only* fun things about a giant corps/army level game is the surrounding and destroying, making pockets and trying to break out of pockets.  If it doesn't have that then what do you do in the game- nothing, you just keep moving your strongest guy up to plug a hole and hit "GO!" to execute the next combat.  Ugh.

That link to the Matrix forum leads to a long and depressing post by an unhappy player...and yet his points are well made and need to be addressed.

[GJK]

The points raised here are a reason why I'd never pick this one up:


http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4183340


One of the *only* fun things about a giant corps/army level game is the surrounding and destroying, making pockets and trying to break out of pockets.  If it doesn't have that then what do you do in the game- nothing, you just keep moving your strongest guy up to plug a hole and hit "GO!" to execute the next combat.  Ugh.

Can someone that took the plunge confirm if this is the case or not?  Seriously, what is an army/corps level game if you can't pocket, encircle and strangle via lack of supplies other units?

[GJK]

That link to the Matrix forum leads to a long and depressing post by an unhappy player...and yet his points are well made and need to be addressed.

I'd be pretty unhappy too and yes, they do.  That's the whole point of a game at this scale - that's what Third Reich was based upon; if you are cut-off you DIE.  This could be a serious issue if he is accurately describing how the gameplay is in this game.

[Rayfer]

That link to the Matrix forum leads to a long and depressing post by an unhappy player...and yet his points are well made and need to be addressed.

I'd be pretty unhappy too and yes, they do.  That's the whole point of a game at this scale - that's what Third Reich was based upon; if you are cut-off you DIE.  This could be a serious issue if he is accurately describing how the gameplay is in this game.

I haven't bought the game but I did watch a long running video play through of a German campaign (I think it was done by someone who regularly posts in these forums)...and there were instances where completely surrounded allied units would somehow reinforce making it next to impossible to destroy them. The Matrix posters frustration over the AA unit on Malta also played out the same in the video play through I watched.

[Zonso]

That link to the Matrix forum leads to a long and depressing post by an unhappy player...and yet his points are well made and need to be addressed.

I'd be pretty unhappy too and yes, they do.  That's the whole point of a game at this scale - that's what Third Reich was based upon; if you are cut-off you DIE.  This could be a serious issue if he is accurately describing how the gameplay is in this game.

You mean like cut-off units die in WITE?!?  :) I haven't played SC3 yet, but played lots of Global Conflict and AoD, and can say nope doesn't happen like that. There is some effort involved. From reading that thread I don't see a long and depressing post, I see a player who is new to the system and has not learned the intricacies of the game. Matrix does not provide demos but Battlefront still does. Download the demo of a previous version, gameplay will be similar, and give it a whirl. That will tell you if this game is for you and your money will be well spent.

[Ian C]

...and there were instances where completely surrounded allied units would somehow reinforce making it next to impossible to destroy them.

But wasn't this always the case in Strategic Command 2 also?

...developer said at times could take 9+ minutes (when large amount of units on map with actions) to process the AI so be prepared....

Are you saying it's  9+ minutes to process a turn?

[Grim.Reaper]

...and there were instances where completely surrounded allied units would somehow reinforce making it next to impossible to destroy them.

But wasn't this always the case in Strategic Command 2 also?

...developer said at times could take 9+ minutes (when large amount of units on map with actions) to process the AI so be prepared....

Are you saying it's  9+ minutes to process a turn?

Yes, if the map has a lot of units and they are all performing actions, it can take up to 9 minutes or so.  It also depends on what settings you have turned on for watching computer moves.  Its not just 9 minutes watching a blank screen or progress bar, it is watching the computer make all of its moves across the entire map

[Ian C]

Its not just 9 minutes watching a blank screen or progress bar, it is watching the computer make all of its moves across the entire map

That's more encouraging! So anyone know how long a turn is to process without watching computer moves?

[Grim.Reaper]

Developer provided this example...again the 9 minutes was late in the game with a lot of units...

1939 AXIS AI (first turn with 73 available Axis units in total)

Full Animation Turn Length = 2 minutes and 10 seconds
Quick Animation Turn Length = 1 minute and 25 seconds
No Animation Turn Length = 40 seconds

[GJK]

You mean like cut-off units die in WITE?!?  I haven't played SC3 yet, but played lots of Global Conflict and AoD, and can say nope doesn't happen like that. There is some effort involved. From reading that thread I don't see a long and depressing post, I see a player who is new to the system and has not learned the intricacies of the game. Matrix does not provide demos but Battlefront still does. Download the demo of a previous version, gameplay will be similar, and give it a whirl. That will tell you if this game is for you and your money will be well spent.

Well fuck, yeah. If you can encircle a unit it should fuckin' die, even if it's eventually. You're ok if it doesn't??