Star Wars: The Last Jedi

[mirth]

I'll end up buying for the kids once it is out on DVD. And I'm sure I'll watch it several more times with them. Like I said up thread, my opinion of it may well improve over time.

[acctingman]

We agree then. Time for a hug?

OH GOD, no.....

[bayonetbrant]

Suicide Squad has a similar book.

1.  Not enough Suicide Squad fans out there to really gripe about it
2.  Star Wars had already established the characters and people are complaining about how the characters aren't conforming to what's already canon in the flicks that everyone has seen and loved for years.  Suicide Squad f'ed up by not conforming to the source material that was ready by literally dozens - multiple dozens, even! - worldwide about 30 years before the movie was released. and messing up the core behavior of the characters by just jettisoning their underlying backstories altogether.  People won't gripe about what they don't know.

[bayonetbrant]

It's not history

but.... but....  but...   it starts off  "A long time ago..."!

[Gusington]

^Hahaha!!

And mirth said 'hug' not whatever the hell that is up there.

[mirth]

Suicide Squad has a similar book.

1.  Not enough Suicide Squad fans out there to really gripe about it
2.  Star Wars had already established the characters and people are complaining about how the characters aren't conforming to what's already canon in the flicks that everyone has seen and loved for years.  Suicide Squad f'ed up by not conforming to the source material that was ready by literally dozens - multiple dozens, even! - worldwide about 30 years before the movie was released. and messing up the core behavior of the characters by just jettisoning their underlying backstories altogether.  People won't gripe about what they don't know.

Suicide Squad is a based on comic books -the most changeable form of mass media that has ever existed. Constantly retconned, rebooted, given alternate universes, etc. The idea a movie doesn't adhere to comic book 'canon' is beyond laughable.

[mirth]

And I am not faulting LJ for going against Star Wars canon. These are a new set of movies. I have no problem with them going in new directions (though we haven't really seen much new, more just reinventing the originals). My issues with LJ are that it has a weak plot and poorly drawn characters. It's a mediocre movie more on par with the prequels than the original trilogy.

[JudgeDredd]

1 BILLION worldwide has to mean the movie isn't that bad 

The Transformer Movies must not be that bad either. And that last PotC which made $795 million worldwide. The 30% rating on Rotten Tomatoes must be a goof.

It's easier - and much more appealing to people - to vote down and vent than to vote up and praise. Example - I really liked the movie (obvious flaws included) and have not voted on RT. It's just the way it is.

The Rotten Tomatoes rating will be representative of the hardcore "pick apart" mob who wanted to vent and won't at all be all encompassing - leaving out everyone else who just wanted to go and see a movie - and who probably left excited and fulfilled.

I wasn't talking about the RT score for Last Jedi. The RT score for PotC is 30% and the critic average is 4.7/10. Those numbers are for a movie that took in almost $800 million worldwide.

Suicide Squad, a movie widely panned (and detested by Brant), took in $750 million worldwide.

The Transformers franchise has taken in over $4 billion. Two of the movies did over $1 billion each. I don't think anyone is going to seriously argue those are good movies.

The point being that there isn't necessarily a correlation between box office and movie quality.

In that case I agree - to a degree...but really there's no real correlation between a good movie and "anything" - not really.

Money taken and ratings can be a guide - though I would concede that ratings are possibly more of an indicator of a stinker/solid/good film than takings particularly when looking at the first week or two of ticket sales - but neither is a real pointer to a good or bad movie because at the end of the day, as we are proving by this very discussion, good movies and bad movies are absolutely 100% subjective.

The only real person who determines what's a good movie or a bad one is - us. Individually. Often we'll agree with the ratings. Often we'll disagree with the ratings.

[mirth]

I don't particularly care if anyone loved or hated this movie. I can see reasons for both.

I do find interesting the idea that if you didn't love Last Jedi, you somehow need to lighten up or learn to have fun with movies. This was a mediocre Star Wars movie. Didn't love it, didn't hate it. Wish it had been better, but the overall trend in sci-fi/fantasy these days is toward this sort of 'popcorn movie'. Completely disengage brain as you enter the theater.

[JudgeDredd]

I just saw alot of nitpicking going on.

You know what irritates the hell out of me - and this goes for other movies too - and it hasn't even been mentioned in this thread (that I know of)...canons that can't hit shit. But did it spoil the movie for me? No. Because it's "a thing" to keep the characters alive. I hate it, but I buy it.

It happened in Captain America Winter Soldier. They had 3 carriers carrying hundreds of guns pointing at individual people and they couldn't hit Falcon.

Still a great film. I hate it, but with it being done properly (i.e. having laser canons that can actually hit stuff), then we'd have very few main characters. So I hate it, but I buy it.

[bayonetbrant]

Suicide Squad has a similar book.

1.  Not enough Suicide Squad fans out there to really gripe about it
2.  Star Wars had already established the characters and people are complaining about how the characters aren't conforming to what's already canon in the flicks that everyone has seen and loved for years.  Suicide Squad f'ed up by not conforming to the source material that was ready by literally dozens - multiple dozens, even! - worldwide about 30 years before the movie was released. and messing up the core behavior of the characters by just jettisoning their underlying backstories altogether.  People won't gripe about what they don't know.

Suicide Squad is a based on comic books -the most changeable form of mass media that has ever existed. Constantly retconned, rebooted, given alternate universes, etc. The idea a movie doesn't adhere to comic book 'canon' is beyond laughable.

but there's a difference between canonical backstory, and the core reasons the characters act the way they do (i.e., Flagg)

[bayonetbrant]

[BanzaiCat]

I would have enormously more respect for this new Disney trilogy had they broken out Thrawn as the head of the First Order, and in control of a quarter to half of the galaxy instead of mysteriously all of it overnight.

I know, I know...Zahn isn't canon. But still, come on. Thrawn. That would have made for a much more epic bad guy than Commander Ginger the Snarly Sourpuss.

[mirth]

Thrawn is canon under the Disney New Order. He was re-introduced through Rebels, which is part of the new canon
.

I would have been happy with Thrawn in the new movies. He would have been more interesting than Supreme Leader Gollum.

[BanzaiCat]

Oh yeah, I totally forgot about Rebels. Well. More so the reason for them to have included the guy.