Star Wars: The Last Jedi

[Sir Slash]

I never thought I'd miss Jar Jar.  :-[

[Gusington]

SHUT UP

[BanzaiCat]

[mirth]

Darth Jar Jar is muy bombad.

[Sir Slash]

Laugh if you want to but he has great teeth.

[BanzaiCat]

The thing about most SW conspiracy theories is, they're incredibly creative and do have some valid points. However, I doubt Disney nor the writers they hire have the creative talent to do any of them justice.

[Gusington]

I do wish I had such good looking choppers.

[Emeraldlis]

I like jar jar binks, me's a thinking he's funny and quirky! And he does have a good set of gnashers on him  :D

[Silent Disapproval Robot]

Finally saw it today.  Wow, what a disappointment!  I was really hoping for a lot more.  Not really going to delve into it other than to say I wish they'd cast the hot sister in the nerdy mechanic role and blew up the dumpy one.  Also, did it look like Daisy's weight fluctuated by a good 10-15 pounds at various points in the filming?

[mirth]

Also, did it look like Daisy's weight fluctuated by a good 10-15 pounds at various points in the filming?

Give her a break. She was retaining midi-chlorians.

[MikeGER]

Also, did it look like Daisy's weight fluctuated by a good 10-15 pounds at various points in the filming?

every Rose has it's thorn  ;D

[Sir Slash]

Yes, and Snoke looked thinner too. By half!  :DD

[BanzaiCat]

Laugh if you want to but he has great teeth.

That video says Lucas backed off on using Jar Jar more because of the fan backlash. He was possibly afraid of Jar Jar being seen as an absolutely idiotic Sith. Though if the scene had been written correctly, where Jar Jar does a 180 from his stupid "meesa do thaaaaat?" voice to something unholy sinister, that would have been a good moment in the prequels.

[Anguille]

Long time SW fan, watched the Last Jedi, the Force Awakens, A new Hope and War of the Clones last week.

I have a slighly different take on the matter. I went last week with my brother to see the movie and i had fun. There are enough good things for me to make it a fun experience. HOWEVER, the story and the plot are crapular! One of the worst stories i've ever seen. The movie is saved by good acting and excellent special effects but the rants are 100% correct. It seems like noone reviewed the script....it's really really bad. The new movies have big problems with plot but this one is the worst. The prequels were boring but made sense (only a few plot errors). Biggest problems of the new movies (short list):

The Force Awakens:
- where does the First Order get it's financing? The Empire had the taxes from the former Republic but the First Order?
- how did Snoke get in touch with Ben at all?

Rogue One:
- why would Tarkin destroy the main archives of the Empire at the end?
- There haven't paid attention to the beginning of a new hope cos the ship of princess Leia intercepted the message. While i like the battle at the end, it's not what is explained in the beginning of a new hope.

The Last Jedi:
- why does Snoke want to find Luke? He just wants to die on his island?
- The purchase makes no sens
- The last battle doesn't make any sense...these ships are just targets and they just get killed?
- Fin and Rose should be trialed because they are the reason why hundreds of rebels get killed?

Anyway...this brings me to make two different lists: one with the best plots and one with the most fun.

Best Plot:

1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. The Return of the Jedi
3. A New Hope
4. War of the Clones
5. Revenge of the Sith
6. Rogue One
7. Phantom Menace
8. Force Awakens
9. Last Jedi (by far last).

The most fun:

1. A New Hope
2. Force Awakens
3. Empire Strikes Back
4. Return of the Jedi
5. Last Jedi
6. Rogue One
7. Revenge of the Sith
8. War of the Clones
9. Phantom Menace

[JasonPratt]

Already said my things, at length. At leeennnnnngggggggthhhhhhh.  >:D

But the fans who are upset aren't only the ones who had insane (or sensible or creative) theories that got proven wrong. Example: Luke having a good reason to leave clues for people to find him in hiding once they need him, so that he can help? That isn't an insane fan theory. That isn't even a sensible fan theory. It's A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THE EXPLICIT PLOT OF THE PRIOR FILM!

But nope, why should "canon" matter, this is a new Star Wars they can do their own thing, right? {tosses lightsaber away}{tells whoever followed his clues to go away because he only came here to die and didn't mean for anyone to find him} Burn the "canon" down, it was hardly a page turner, and was only drunken trash anyway that abandoned you! Join us in creating something new! Here's our evidence for trusting us for quality newness! {strategically and tactically ignorant chase sequence} {weak and insulting semi-rehash of ESB}

It isn't that the film is bad -- it has competencies here and there. It's that the film actively insults its audience, especially its core audience.


Oh, and I totally agree about Rose needing to be an alien. That wouldn't have made her plot choices in the film any better (or less flagrantly plot convenient). But part of the problem with her is that she was designed, and accepted by a vocal contingent of commentators, as being a social justice triumph. THAT'S why those who eyeroll about this can't just leave it alone and treat her gender and race as a neutral factor, which would indeed be the reasonable thing: it isn't being left alone, it was a partisan design choice from the start and has been trumpeted to the stars as a partisan design victory. Which would be less grating if it actually was a design victory, but it's not. It's so, sooooo not.

Relatedly, Rose sister (whose name I can't recall only because I'm terrible with names) isn't legitimately awesome because she happens to be more physically attractive to more people. Switch the actresses around and give them the same material, and the sister's character remains awesome, even though dumpier. Rose remains cringey even though more conventionally attractive now. No one anywhere that I've heard of thinks Rey's actress isn't physically attractive, but that doesn't stop her from being an epic cringefest of character design by some people's estimation, myself included. And I rather LIKED her character in Force Awakens!

Ugh... I want to like this film, I really do. I like Star Wars, even despite some portions I don't ideologically agree with (which is true of almost every entertainment property). I'm honestly not that hostile in pickiness; I liked all three of the prequels, and I like all three of the Matrix films! I LIKE X-MEN 3 THE LAST STAND, GOD HELP ME! I'm not a fan dilettante.

At least other people have enjoyed the film, and enjoyed it a lot. I can be glad for their sake anyway.  O:-)