Russia's War Against Ukraine

JudgeDredd · August 29, 2023, 01:31:20 PM

Love this guy...Tucker Carlson can eat my butt sweat

GDS_Starfury · August 29, 2023, 01:49:21 PM

I have a lot I can say about the taint tanner but thats butting up real close to the political threashold

GDS_Starfury · August 29, 2023, 01:54:14 PM

not deep enough to be DPCIM proof.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1696240118263124392

SirAndrewD · August 29, 2023, 05:29:30 PM

I'm not going to go over what I heard from some of the alternative sources I've had, because the news is far too good for me to entirely believe and I think it's best to wait for confirmation.

Also Russian sources tend to overreact when something even slightly negative goes their way.

However it went it does seem some really major action did happen in the last 48 hours in Verbove and is still happening. If reports are to be believed it went Ukraine's way, and in some cases very suddenly and surprisingly.

FarAway Sooner · August 29, 2023, 07:51:08 PM

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for those reports to be borne out, Andrew. This fog of war sure makes for a complex spectator experience...

GDS_Starfury · August 29, 2023, 09:04:21 PM

seems someone lost a bunch of planes.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1696671649762812100

GDS_Starfury · August 29, 2023, 09:06:03 PM

2 to 4 Il-76s and possibly a Tu-22

GDS_Starfury · August 29, 2023, 09:12:09 PM

burn baby burn disco inferno!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1696640583106994389

SirAndrewD · August 29, 2023, 09:50:12 PM

Quote from: FarAway Sooner on August 29, 2023, 07:51:08 PMI'm keeping my fingers crossed for those reports to be borne out, Andrew. This fog of war sure makes for a complex spectator experience...

I absolutely count what we're hearing from some sources out of Verbove to be in the "too good to be true" category.

So, here's what we do now right now.

The UAF did not launch a direct attack into the contested area of Verbove, but there was a strong feint there that caused the Russians to commit to a swift counterattack in the area. The UAF swiftly withdrew as the Russians concentrated freshly arrived armor and a heavy artillery barrage into the area.

The Russian trap was a counter trap. HIMARS strikes were waiting and struck the Russian artillery systems and force concentrations. What looked like a UAF retreat was not. They used the chance to degrade the Russian artillery units and they look to have suffered a lot of losses. Photo evidence shows heavy counterbattery on Russian emplacements.

The 76th GAAD took the opportunity to attack in the west towards Robotyne and was rebuffed to some extent as yet unknown.

The 82nd Ukrainian Air Assault launched an attack along a different axis flanking Robotyne. There was at least some measure of Russian retreat.

And that's where it gets hazy. Lots of potential hyperbolic words coming from Russians and now some pro-Ukrainian channels. We won't know for a while.

DetCord · August 29, 2023, 10:38:44 PM

Quote from: Gusington on August 29, 2023, 10:33:26 AM^That is awesome news if all true. Get Ukraine dozens more Leopards!

They can have all the equipment in the world but if their tactics and means of employment are fucked, then the most advanced AFV, IFV, ATGM, weapon systems etc means absolutely nothing. Watching that charlie foxtrot of a battalion movement that resulted in absurd numbers of Brad's and Leopards and T-72's destroyed and or rendered combat ineffective was cringe inducing.

They assaulted without probing, without clearing obstacles and mines, without using the MICLIC's they had in abundance, and did so during the day instead of at night. Ukrainian soldiers have NoD's in absurd numbers thanks to the US. The Russian don't even issue them to their troops.

GDS_Starfury · August 29, 2023, 11:03:30 PM

every fucking treeline is a problem

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1696564228331655559.html

SirAndrewD · August 30, 2023, 01:45:07 AM

Quote from: DetCord on August 29, 2023, 10:38:44 PMThey assaulted without probing, without clearing obstacles and mines, without using the MICLIC's they had in abundance, and did so during the day instead of at night. Ukrainian soldiers have NoD's in absurd numbers thanks to the US. The Russian don't even issue them to their troops.

100%

I'm still scratching my head over that cluster. Just seeing them piled up almost bumper to bumper in what were pre-prepared fire zones and minefields was, beyond infuriating.

And the Night Vision thing is something I've heard and not said a ton on either. Yeah, there's a weird disconnect because with their equipment, the UAF should own the night. Russians are at a massive disadvantage there, but it's not being used.

Why? Well, again this is where we talk about the breakdown in the Jr Officer and NCO level of CIC. Russians and Ukrainians are sharing the same problem there.

DetCord · August 30, 2023, 01:47:17 PM

Quote from: SirAndrewD on August 30, 2023, 01:45:07 AM
Quote from: DetCord on August 29, 2023, 10:38:44 PMThey assaulted without probing, without clearing obstacles and mines, without using the MICLIC's they had in abundance, and did so during the day instead of at night. Ukrainian soldiers have NoD's in absurd numbers thanks to the US. The Russian don't even issue them to their troops.

100%

I'm still scratching my head over that cluster. Just seeing them piled up almost bumper to bumper in what were pre-prepared fire zones and minefields was, beyond infuriating.

And the Night Vision thing is something I've heard and not said a ton on either. Yeah, there's a weird disconnect because with their equipment, the UAF should own the night. Russians are at a massive disadvantage there, but it's not being used.

Why? Well, again this is where we talk about the breakdown in the Jr Officer and NCO level of CIC. Russians and Ukrainians are sharing the same problem there.

Just absurd, utterly absurd. Right after that initial failed attempt to breach that ILD they went back and tried again, losing two more L2R's (only 6 in inventory) for which they (65th and 47th MB's) had already lost 7+ L2A's which at the time only consisted of 11 L2's TO&E'd for that unit.

Then they went back to one of the most fortified areas of the entire front the next day. Ukraine is already heavily deficient in recovery vehicles and they ended up losing several of the few Bergepanzer RV's they have because they sent them ahead to attempt recovery of the 2A's and 2R's they had previously lost only to lose their ability recover vehicles at all.

After almost 80 days of this counter-offensive, Ukraine has made essentially zero substantial (less than 2km's in some places) gains and have severely depleted reserves in both manpower and material. Now they've mobilized the 10th Corps hoping to secure Robotyne, which is less than a 2 kilometers from the ILD and just barely inside it. My buddies that stayed behind after we left have stated that conditions are awful, morale is in the pits, and that causalities are nearing 40,000.

But they keep pushing. Making the same mistakes and blunders the Russian made in the opening months. They need to stop trying to save face by bleeding their own troops on worthless endeavors.

Most units didn't even make it (yellow line) to the ILD.

GDS_Starfury · August 30, 2023, 03:51:05 PM

JasonPratt · August 30, 2023, 06:58:37 PM

It's really gonna come down to who uses the least shittiest Soviet tactics, isn't it?

Indicated by both sides using damn AIR ASSAULT DIVISIONS on ground pushes and/or defense.

I guess we should just thank God and decent amounts of Ukrainian ack-ack that Putlin's side can't convert their air superiority into actually using AADs as AADs effectively. (Although I suppose if they did, they'd lack the ground pushiness to catch up.)