Wackiness with Wizards

Started by Dammit Carl!, January 11, 2023, 06:52:23 PM

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Dammit Carl!

Not entirely certain folks' view on this topic, but looks like WotC is aiming to revise the OGL created in the days of 3rd Edition (lo, twentysomething years ago) which is the basis of more than one company core product(s).




CJReich46

I was wondering if anyone was following this too.
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CJReich46

Quote from: CJReich46 on January 12, 2023, 12:07:21 AM
I was wondering if anyone was following this too, thanks for posting this Carl.
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Or his deserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch
To win or lose it all."  - James Graham 1st Marquess of Montrose

ArizonaTank

I have seen quite a bit heat and gnashing of teeth on the paper / boardgame side of the question because of the lock down and apparent cut off of intellectual property from the open-source community. I was wondering how this might affect indie RPG developers on the computer game side, but I haven't seen much discussion on that point yet.
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Dammit Carl!

Lordy, the snowballing effect of all of this has now led to Paizo throwing their guantlet down and creating their own OGL as well as the major third party D&D creators cutting bait and going their own route with either TTRPGs of their own or by eschewing 5th edition materials completely.

Good joerb, Hasbro.  Who needed that money anyway?

Sigwolf

Quote from: Dammit Carl! on January 12, 2023, 07:52:08 PMLordy, the snowballing effect of all of this has now led to Paizo throwing their guantlet down and creating their own OGL as well as the major third party D&D creators cutting bait and going their own route with either TTRPGs of their own or by eschewing 5th edition materials completely.

Good joerb, Hasbro.  Who needed that money anyway?
Hasbro has been using "death by a thousand cuts" on D&D for years now.  Apparently, they've now decided to just fully cut off the head.  Damn shame.

JasonPratt

There are certainly several Steam games using the OGL, like Low Magic Age (who were porting the classic Against the Slave Lords module, presumably hoping to segue into the giants and the drow to finish off the trilogy.)
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JasonPratt

Correction: LMA does use the (original) OGL, but doesn't go with the Slaver plot. I'm definitely mixing that up with some other game on Steam, though I don't recall what yet.
ICEBREAKER THESIS CHRONOLOGY! -- Victor Suvorov's Stalin Grand Strategy theory, in chronological order. Lots and lots of order...

Dawn of Armageddon -- a narrative AAR for Dawn of War: Soulstorm: Ultimate Apocalypse: The Hunt Begins: Insert Joke Here!

Survive Harder! In the grim darkness of the bowl there is only, um, Amazons. And tentacles and midgets. Not remotely what you're thinking! ...okay, maybe a little remotely.

PanzOrc Corpz Generals -- Season One complete; Fantasy Wars AAR, lots of screenies.


Dammit Carl!

Quote from: Sigwolf on January 13, 2023, 04:32:01 PMWOTC now engaging in some *serious* backtracking.  It's hilarious that they act surprised that this didn't go over well.

"Hmmm...the peasants seem...mad. Hmmm..."

JasonPratt

Incidentally, I found the game using Scourge of the Slave Lords and Against the Giants as its plot basis (excellent choices btw): Knights of the Chalice.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1083760/Knights_of_the_Chalice/

GoG has a small sale on it this weekend, too.

The engine itself is recreated on the basis of one of the last of the Gold Box games, Dark Sun: Shattered Lands (which replaced the 3D map travel effect a la Bard's Tale with the top-down combat engine from earlier games), plus some functionality from WotC's computer game based Temple of Elemental Evil (which was of course intended as a jumping off point for users designing their own modules, naturally including old D&D modules.)

KotC2 also exists, with an improved graphical set, isometric top-down 3D, expanded everything, and a module creator built-in. Its adventure, "The Augury of Chaos" is not based on any D&D property I recognize offhand, but the rules are still OGL 3.5. (It shouldn't be the end of the trilogy "Against the Drow", since levels again go from 1 to 21.)

ICEBREAKER THESIS CHRONOLOGY! -- Victor Suvorov's Stalin Grand Strategy theory, in chronological order. Lots and lots of order...

Dawn of Armageddon -- a narrative AAR for Dawn of War: Soulstorm: Ultimate Apocalypse: The Hunt Begins: Insert Joke Here!

Survive Harder! In the grim darkness of the bowl there is only, um, Amazons. And tentacles and midgets. Not remotely what you're thinking! ...okay, maybe a little remotely.

PanzOrc Corpz Generals -- Season One complete; Fantasy Wars AAR, lots of screenies.


Silent Disapproval Robot

Apparently Call of Cthulhu 7th ed and Warhammer FRP 4th ed saw huge sales increases after the OGL fiasco.

Dammit Carl!

Pathfinder sold like hotcakes and went through all their stocks or somesuch.  Honestly, Hasbro not only stepped on their dicks, they did everything but emasculate themselves in the D&D realm with this move.

Simply amazing.