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Started by airboy, September 05, 2012, 12:56:11 PM

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Quote from: jomni on September 06, 2012, 04:06:19 AM
Looks like we are really hard to please.  Release a game/squel with new grpahics and features = we dislike it.  Relase a game that is a carbon copy of the original = we also dislike it.

Not true really...I think we just like innovation and would prefer not to be sold a product we bought 15 years ago in different wrapping.
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ArizonaTank

Quote from: jomni on September 06, 2012, 01:46:19 AM
Does it add new features?  If it's just a bunch of scenarios and campaigns.  The reviews for the base game is sufficient.

I think this hits the issue square in the face....what would the review be about?  The scenarios?  Probably only of interest for those that are really into the game.  It's the same reason you don't see many reviews of John Tiller games.  While JTs titles are good, the engine hasn't changed since the invention of dirt.  Under those circumstances IMHO, a review is tiring to write, and tiring to read.
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LongBlade

Quote from: jomni on September 06, 2012, 01:46:19 AM
Does it add new features?  If it's just a bunch of scenarios and campaigns.  The reviews for the base game is sufficient.

Mines are the big new feature.
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Quote from: LongBlade on September 06, 2012, 07:22:31 AM
Quote from: jomni on September 06, 2012, 01:46:19 AM
Does it add new features?  If it's just a bunch of scenarios and campaigns.  The reviews for the base game is sufficient.

Mines are the big new feature.

the question to be answered for me is "If you never bought into the series previously, is this a good game?"
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LongBlade

Quote from: Windigo on September 06, 2012, 08:46:31 AM
Quote from: LongBlade on September 06, 2012, 07:22:31 AM
Quote from: jomni on September 06, 2012, 01:46:19 AM
Does it add new features?  If it's just a bunch of scenarios and campaigns.  The reviews for the base game is sufficient.

Mines are the big new feature.

the question to be answered for me is "If you never bought into the series previously, is this a good game?"

Yes and no.

I have not played Afrika Korps. I did play the first one. It was OK, but I like my games with more substance. I think it was a successful resurrection of the title and did the things it was supposed to do based on the original game from 20 years ago.

However, I personally look for more meat in my games. Opinions on that matter can vary.
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Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

MengJiao

Quote from: jomni on September 06, 2012, 04:06:19 AM
Looks like we are really hard to please.  Release a game/squel with new grpahics and features = we dislike it.  Relase a game that is a carbon copy of the original = we also dislike it.

I don't think I'm hard to please.  I like war games across the whole spectrum from Total War to Conquest of the Aegean.  BUT i do like a game system that is somewhat gritty and multi-layered.  So in Total War (I played Fall of the Samurai most recently) you have an interesting strategic map with interesting strategic problems (eg. protecting your trading ships early on).  Then you have the level of
controling your holdings and then diplocmacy et. etc.  and that is all pretty beer and pretzles  BUT it does offer lots of different and ever-changing ways of looking at what is going on in the game.  From what I've heard (and I've never played one of the Panzer xxxx games)
the Panzer XXXX games went a little too far in stylizing the problems of operational warfare.

MengJiao

Quote from: ArizonaTank on September 06, 2012, 06:40:18 AM
Quote from: jomni on September 06, 2012, 01:46:19 AM
Does it add new features?  If it's just a bunch of scenarios and campaigns.  The reviews for the base game is sufficient.

I think this hits the issue square in the face....what would the review be about?  The scenarios?  Probably only of interest for those that are really into the game.  It's the same reason you don't see many reviews of John Tiller games.  While JTs titles are good, the engine hasn't changed since the invention of dirt.  Under those circumstances IMHO, a review is tiring to write, and tiring to read.

The engine has changed some.  The France 1914 game has a slightly different feel from the earlier games.  But yes, basically,
nothing mch has changed in the world of JT games ever.

Bismarck

Quote from: airboy on September 05, 2012, 12:56:11 PM
PanzerCorps AfrikaKorps has been out for a month now.  There are almost no reviews out.  Wargamer, ArmchairGeneral, Gamespot, etc....... just no word yet.

I turned down reviews for several sites because of time deadlines that did not fit my work schedule.  I gave Jim my review last night after playing the game 30 to 50 hours.

I'll let the review speak for itself.  But I'm pretty amazed that there have been so few reviews of the game (NZGamer is about it).  I expected to see something by Jim Cobb or someone else whose opinion I valued - but pretty much radio static out in review land.

I betaed this version.  It's the best add-on of the bunch.
Jim Cobb

Arctic Blast

I picked up the original Panzer Corps and just could not get in to it. I don't know why that was the case...maybe I didn't really want a new school Panzer General as much as I'd always thought I did. More than likely the nostalgia was in full effect and I was forgetting the many aspects of that style of game that I find quite annoying.

airboy

One other major added feature is changing the objectives during a scenario.  It is essential to some of the scenarios and was a pretty inspired decision.

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This will probably go live over the weekend.  With DC Case Blue being inducted into the Order of the Hex, we don't want to pull it down too quickly.
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JudgeDredd

I liked the originals and I bought Panzer Corps when it was released by Matrix - but once the nostaliga factor wore off - it was just the same game in different wrapping. Not necessarily a bad game - but just the same.

After I had my nostalgia fix I wasn't buying into any expansions. As someone else alluded to - it's a rock/paper/scissors puzzle. And very little manouvering involved/allowed.
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TheCommandTent

I never played the original but got Panzer Corps and enjoyed it.  The only real negative for me is like JD mentioned there is little room for maneuver and I always felt very rushed by the turn limits.  Though that could have something to do with me as a player.
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Bismarck

Quote from: TheCommandTent on September 06, 2012, 06:07:46 PM
I never played the original but got Panzer Corps and enjoyed it.  The only real negative for me is like JD mentioned there is little room for maneuver and I always felt very rushed by the turn limits.  Though that could have something to do with me as a player.

The Afrika Korps add-on has lots of room to maneuver. A very confusing press release indicates that it'll be released soon as a stand-alone.
Jim Cobb