Close Combat:Panthers in the Fog is Released

[JasonPratt]

Good grief.  Seriously.  What the hell historically took out Panthers?  I'm winning the current battle board through painful attrition which I'm sure will come back to bite me in the next two boards.

Russian 88s.

Lack of fuel/ammo.

Fireflies (?)

Air power.

Gundams.

[GDS_Starfury]

downloading now.

MUHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA MUUAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

cough  cough

excuse me.

[GDS_Starfury]

not a fan of the infantru squad sizes so far.
where are my 9 man teams?

[Bison]

All I know is that the Panthers are starting to really piss me off.  I cannot destroy them.  5 and 6 tanks hitting them from multiple directions and nothing.  AT M10 hitting them from behind and nothing same song second verse.  Panther's turret swivels and pick off mine one by one with mostly one shot one kills.   I have to be doing something wrong but I haven't cracked the code.

[GDS_Starfury]

mine dont seem to like being close assaulted very much.

[MikeGER]

Bison, i lost 2 Panthers in a 'fog battle' (1st in the first operation, IIRC) when i got to carefree, they fell victim to M10s or maybe a hidden bazooka from a house close by (i didn't saw a AT team so, but the M10s got spotted on the map later) distance was about the half screen size vertical

[Bison]

The game has some internal error issues that are breaking my saves.  I'm confident it'll get worked out but it's breaking my will to keep playing.  I've started the Central Slugfest campaign 4 times now and each one has ended about around 1200 on the second day due to the program crashing.  I'll need to did out my one of my other CC games to install.  Not sure if I want to play TLD or LSA.  Decisions...decisions.

[GDS_Starfury]

Im 2 complete turns into the historical GC with no crashes. I did get 1 crash on the 3rd turn of the Into The Flank Op.

[Bison]

Apparently the crash is related to infantry platoons that are using replacement forces yours or your opponent.   Are you battles or have you completed full days that have had replacements added into your infantry platoons?

[Bison]

I've started playing TLD instead and I already miss the new graphics.  They are so much better.  Although I do like the old UI placement better.

[LongBlade]

I'm thinking there is something amiss with the armor values.  I pounded the crap out a Panther with 4 tanks 2 Sherman, 1 Sherman106 and an AT M10 from the sides and the back and didn't dent it.  It however wiped out all four of mine.

It makes me wonder if armor values for flanks and rear even exist, or if the unit just has one armor value. Strange.

So far I've only played two scenarios, one with light recon tanks and one with PzIVs. The recon tanks were fragile as eggs - not unexpected. PzIVs never got hit by what I figured were inexperienced Sherman crews. Not exactly a surprise. The PzIV one-shotted the Sherman with a flank shot. Again - behavior as expected.

I'll have to do some digging into more to see this odd behavior.

[Bison]

Steve said that a tanks armor is calculated seperately for the turret and the body.  Your tanks have a chance to hit the turret or the body and the corresponding facing is what is used to calculate the damage.  So without an ablity to target a specific location on the tank it's left up to your AI to choose.  My appareantly choose wrong everytime.  :D

[LongBlade]

Steve said that a tanks armor is calculated seperately for the turret and the body.  Your tanks have a chance to hit the turret or the body and the corresponding facing is what is used to calculate the damage.  So without an ablity to target a specific location on the tank it's left up to your AI to choose.  My appareantly choose wrong everytime.  :D

That engine needs an overhaul. Might as well give units hit points/health bars then.

[Bison]

I'm not sure how "damage" is tabulated but it's the chance to penetrate the armor that matters.  A hit on the front = no chance basically  A hit on the side/back = chance to penetrate and destroy.

[GDS_Starfury]

so far Ive taken out Pz-4s with Greyhounds and Stuarts.  to be fair though the Pz-4s, while operating together ran into 2 units of 3 vehicles each.
on the flip side of this Ive probably had 5 or 6 Panthers get tracked and one surrendered to close assaults.  I havnt had one get destroyed yet.
the ai is being aggresive in both campaigns in certain fights. in the early battles the US ai is being a bit low key but I expect that with the forces they
have to use.  Im sure Bison will love to know that at least one of those Panther units has 23 Panthers and 6 Jagdpanzer 4's  8)  guess which unit is
my spearhead?  MUHAHAHA.  so far Im 3 complete turns into the US campaign and 6 complete turns into the German one.  I do not like the GUI so
much across the board.  why change something that worked fine.  <-yes thats a period not a question mark as its a statement.  I have not had a crash
in the campains, only the one in an operation.  get back to playing it Bison, Im going to need a human opponent next week and Ive selected you as
my victim opponent.