DOOM

[Wingedflamez]

I will try to do some testing later. It does seem weird. And for Some reason the cbm examiner isn't helping with that spell.

[Haerdalas]

I think someone said that kelp ancients are stealthy...

I don't suppose the province used to belong to Pythium did it? It does seems unlikely, but it is possible that that kelp ancient has been there since before you took over, and has just been hiding. I cant think of how else it could have the same province listed as its home...

[Bronwell]

I was just thinking the same and went and looked at old turn logs.  Pythium did capture the province on turn 38 and I immediately captured it the following turn on turn 39.  That is a possibility depending on how the stealth mechanics work.

My understanding is that all stealth units start the turn unstealthed, with default orders of defend.  That is how all stealth units I have seen start.  You have to tell them to hide or sneak or they stay defending.  I have confirmed that summoned Kelp Ancients start with the defend order.  If that is the case then the earliest turn that Kelp Ancient could have appeared is the same turn I attacked normally (not magic phase) so I should have run into and killed any Kelp Ancients since there was no turn for him to give the hide order.

Of course all that assumes that I correctly understand stealth mechanics.  I have not looked more than 6 turns back, so I cannot confirm whether longer ago he owned the province.  I know that I was the initial owner, so will check the last year or so.

[Bronwell]

Stealth is the explanation.  No bug and no abuse by Pythium, just good play.

After going back through the logs, that is clearly the explanation.  On turn 34 Pythium  held that province and there was a visible Kelp Ancient.  On turn 35 I attacked, there was a decent battle, but Kelp Ancients were not part of the battle, so he must have ordered them to hide.  I was so thrilled by my brave little triton breaking free from the scrum and killing his Arch Theurg in the back that I didn't notice the missing Kelp Ancients.  Those Kelp Ancients must have been hiding there for 6 turns.

Looking back at that turn, I'm not surprised I was distracted and missed it.  That was also the same turn Pythium's raiding geared Angel of Fury and Adept of the Silver Order loaded with gems went Boom.  Nice turn.

Thanks for the responses.

[parone]

sneaky

[alastair]

To confirm the stealth trick.  That is exactly what I did- it took a bit of testing in SP to verify it would work, though :/

[Haerdalas]

Starting to run low on time... perhaps a few hours extension?

[Wingedflamez]

Thanx haer. Your post reminded me to check. I'll have my turn in hopefully soon. Just wasn't quite able to finish last night.

[Haerdalas]

...Llamaserver hasn't updated in about 40 mins. Do you think it is down again? Winged, did you send your turn in yet?

[parone]

turn delayed 6 hours.

if that isn't enough, pm me or post here.  i'll try to check before bed.

[Wingedflamez]

OK turn posted, sorry for the delay.  Wasn't able to finish last night, couldn't seem to focus on it, and today was a wreck.  But its in now.

EDIT: in addition your message of the day reminded me of this.  Its hilarious.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBGOQ7SsJrw

[Phobos]

[Wingedflamez]

Yeah. That lightening storm is harsh when you have no way of blocking lightening. That's ok. Will see what happens.

[Wingedflamez]

I am seeing some things that I wish I had done differently now, a few steps in the chain that I could have done better.  This is definitely a learning experience.

[Phobos]

I got lucky with a Neifel Giant hero that possesses Air magic, a type of magic not normally available to my nation.  As such, he provides the most effective counters to archery, as well as the means to harry massed forces through battle magic and ritual summons.  The limitation is of course that he can only be in one place at a time.

As the bulk of Shinuyama's forces have to move through a limited number of bottlenecks in order to access Jotunheim...well, you know.