DOOM

[alastair]

Thats odd- my turn must not have gone through while llamaserver was undergoing whatever it was.

[Bronwell]

I was surprised that your turn was still not in near deadline.  I sent in several minor last minute changes, including one at about an hour left and another with about 15 minutes left and they all went through.  I even got a confirmation from the server. 

The server was acting strangely as far as what it was reporting, but it was still receiving turns.  There was about a 2 hours stretch where it stopped reporting updates (saying it had last updated 2 hours earlier), but it eventually reported the updates.  Agartha got his turn in during that time (about an hour or 2 before deadline I think).  I noticed because it said no updates for 2 hours, but still changed to show his turn received, with yours being the only one left.

It is still reporting inaccurately, saying that everyone staled.  I can't speak for everyone, but it appears everyone else's turns were received and did go through correctly.

[parone]

ahh.  infamous nagot fell...

i think we'd better just ignore it.

[Haerdalas]

Well... that was odd. I just got a stale turn, despite most certainly having sent in my turn in and having recieved a confirmation message from the Llamaserver. Anyone else get a stale?

[Bronwell]

We all staled, Haerdalas.

You don't want to simply refile the turns, parone?  I definitely would rather resubmit.

Given what I was doing last turn, I essentially had everyone sitting around, no research.  Staling definitely does not affect everyone equally.  If you were inactive the previous turn and already have almost all your mages researching or armies besieging a fort, you suffer very little.  If you were active and just used most of your mages to cast spells, forge, battle etc. you are pretty screwed.  I think I managed to have my worst research (already pathetic) in the past 30 turns----twice now.

I was worried that this might happen when the server showed us all already staling last turn.

Most of the games look like they show a staled last turn, but I don't see any with 2 staled turns.   I would check with Llama and see whether everyone has been experiencing stales, or whether the server is just misreporting.  It is possible that someone else with an early stage game has already tried multiple turns and can answer the questions as to 1) whether rollback causes a  screwup after the server snafu, 2) whether they kept getting nagot gik fel after that first misreported stale by server.

[Bronwell]

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[alastair]

2nding what Bronwell said.

[Bronwell]

Is it possible that we could get everyone to chime in on whether they want a rollback?  While I obviously have a preference, I'm fine with whatever we agree on.  That way we can get this process started as soon as possible. 

I would rather not wait another 2 days for us all to say something.  At which point we would or would not have a rollback, allowing another 2-3 days for us to get turns in... meaning sometime next week before we actually get to what have been today's turn.  Even if we decide not to rollback, deciding sooner would avoid   another extension.

[Haerdalas]

I wouldnt mind a rollback - like you I had a large number of troops engaged in combat. However I have heard that doing so is very risky and can easily result in the game becoming permanently corrupted. As in unrecoverable on the Llamaserver. I don't want to risk it if that is the case, so I vote no rollback.

[Bronwell]

Haerdalas:

You make a good point as to the dangers of a rollback.  Like I said, I am fine either way.  I think I am just particularly annoyed as while nothing catastrophically bad happened, I managed to get a whole bunch of little annoying negatives.  The already mentioned low research on top of the inefficiencies which everyone experienced, on top of losing 2 mercenaries (and losing my half-price bidding).

If we decide on no rollback, is there any chance I can convince everyone to NOT bid on the 2 mercenaries I have had for a while?  I will already have to pay double what I was paying to get them back, it would add insult to injury to have to pay even more to ensure I get them.  If you bid last turn let me know and I will honestly tell you what I bid and not contest if you say you would have won.

[Wingedflamez]

We did manage to survive the rollback that we had to do, for this same reason, a few turns ago.

Ill rollback again if that is what we want to do.  Though I am leery of it being the second time.

[alastair]

my other game seems to have hosted just fine, so probably not a llamaserver thing?

EDIT: Never mind.  Am getting a 'wrong turn # error' (turn no. given as 16810...etc)

[Bronwell]

Alastair:

I was going to send a report to llamabeast and see if he had any advice based on what others have experienced.  For the last turn, I remember you said you had previously sent your turn in and it wasn't received (you staled).  I noticed your orders were in almost immediately last turn.  I take it you processed a new set of turn orders and that wasn't just processing your previously sent turn orders? (turn 57)

Bronwell

[alastair]

Yeah, when I turned in the second set it worked.  I didn't get a notification for the first set-its possible it would have been fine had I simply resent.

[Bronwell]

So any vote from Phobos or Faux as to whether they want to roll back?

If we don't hear from them I guess we will just assume they don't want to roll back and we go forward with next turn hosting in about 14 hours.