Vets sweep past gov't shutdown barricades at WWII memorial

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October 05, 2013, 03:22:38 PM
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em2nought

#16
October 07, 2013, 08:17:04 PM
I think we should give those vets guns, and they can take it ALL back.  ;)
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besilarius

#17
October 09, 2013, 11:23:04 AM
Just out of curiousity, did some research on the closing of national monuments during government shutdowns.
It looks like the 1990 shutdown was the first time I can find, that the monuments were shuttered and made off limits.  Of course, the World War II memorial hadn't been built, but there were the Washington Monument, Lincoln Memorial, Statue of Liberty, Iwa Jima Memorial and all.
Now, the interesting thing was, that most people accepted it as part of the cost of a government shutdown.  If you stop the government from functioning, then since the National Park Service is part of the government, it must happen.  As the time went on, people did get furious over the closings, but it seems to have taken some time.
Also, this shutdown was under the first President Bush.  So it certainly seems like a bipartisan activity if both Republican administrations and Democratic Administrations shuttered the monuments.
My question would be that since President Bush shuttered the monuments first, why is there so much yelling about an agenda for closing them down now?  Did Bush have an agenda?
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Steelgrave

#18
October 09, 2013, 11:33:34 AM
Arizona offered to pay for keeping the Grand Canyon open and was rejected by the Administration. Seriously, if I was Gov. Brewer, I would consider ordering the DPS to go man the gates and reopen the park. I mean, what are the Feds gonna do, shoot at State Troopers?

And funny how the Mall was open for a big protest yesterday in favor of granting citizenship to illegals (not just amnesty, but citizenship). Especially since the WWII memorial is also located on the Mall.

GDS_Starfury

#19
October 09, 2013, 11:39:56 AM
well ya aint gonna get new voters from old vets and hikers.   >:(
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#20
October 09, 2013, 11:42:10 AM
^True that. And the Democratic Arizona Congressman who was among those arrested in the demonstration wasn't there to help the vets get into the memorial.

At least the left is finally admitting that citizenship for illegals is what they are after, and the sooner the better (especially before the next election).

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#21
October 09, 2013, 11:46:05 AM
Spain is looking better and better.
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#22
October 09, 2013, 12:44:29 PM
Quote from: besilarius on October 09, 2013, 11:23:04 AMMy question would be that since President Bush shuttered the monuments first, why is there so much yelling about an agenda for closing them down now? 

it's more widely broadcast because we have push-button means to 'share' our outrage
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OJsDad

#23
October 09, 2013, 01:01:01 PM
Brant's correct.  However, the 1990 shutdown was three days over a three day weekend, thus people weren't home watching the news. 
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Windigo

#24
October 09, 2013, 01:03:25 PM
Quote from: Steelgrave on October 09, 2013, 11:42:10 AM
^True that. And the Democratic Arizona Congressman who was among those arrested in the demonstration wasn't there to help the vets get into the memorial.

At least the left is finally admitting that citizenship for illegals is what they are after, and the sooner the better (especially before the next election).

might be cheaper to let the ones in right now stay and pay taxes - and here after slam the door shut, then to slam the door now and hunt them down and ship them all back
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#25
October 09, 2013, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Windigo on October 09, 2013, 01:03:25 PM
Quote from: Steelgrave on October 09, 2013, 11:42:10 AM
^True that. And the Democratic Arizona Congressman who was among those arrested in the demonstration wasn't there to help the vets get into the memorial.

At least the left is finally admitting that citizenship for illegals is what they are after, and the sooner the better (especially before the next election).

might be cheaper to let the ones in right now stay and pay taxes - and here after slam the door shut, then to slam the door now and hunt them down and ship them all back

that's what was supposed to have happened in 1986.

the lesson learned from '86 wasn't "aw shit, they slammed the door and we can't get in anymore" but rather "hey, if there's enough of us already there and raising a fuss, then they'll amnesty everyone!"

and with that, let's focus this thread back on monuments, which really should've been merged into the overall "Government Shutdown" thread in the first place.

Anyone wanting to talk illegal immigration is welcome to open a thread in RPFW to do so.
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#26
October 09, 2013, 01:48:26 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on October 09, 2013, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Windigo on October 09, 2013, 01:03:25 PM
Quote from: Steelgrave on October 09, 2013, 11:42:10 AM
^True that. And the Democratic Arizona Congressman who was among those arrested in the demonstration wasn't there to help the vets get into the memorial.

At least the left is finally admitting that citizenship for illegals is what they are after, and the sooner the better (especially before the next election).

might be cheaper to let the ones in right now stay and pay taxes - and here after slam the door shut, then to slam the door now and hunt them down and ship them all back

that's what was supposed to have happened in 1986.

the lesson learned from '86 wasn't "aw shit, they slammed the door and we can't get in anymore" but rather "hey, if there's enough of us already there and raising a fuss, then they'll amnesty everyone!"

and with that, let's focus this thread back on monuments, which really should've been merged into the overall "Government Shutdown" thread in the first place.

Anyone wanting to talk illegal immigration is welcome to open a thread in RPFW to do so.
it kind of segued, logically IMO, from the 'memorials are closed but why is the mall still open?' comment....
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#27
October 09, 2013, 02:03:11 PM
Quote from: Windigo on October 09, 2013, 01:48:26 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on October 09, 2013, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Windigo on October 09, 2013, 01:03:25 PM
Quote from: Steelgrave on October 09, 2013, 11:42:10 AM
^True that. And the Democratic Arizona Congressman who was among those arrested in the demonstration wasn't there to help the vets get into the memorial.

At least the left is finally admitting that citizenship for illegals is what they are after, and the sooner the better (especially before the next election).

might be cheaper to let the ones in right now stay and pay taxes - and here after slam the door shut, then to slam the door now and hunt them down and ship them all back

that's what was supposed to have happened in 1986.

the lesson learned from '86 wasn't "aw shit, they slammed the door and we can't get in anymore" but rather "hey, if there's enough of us already there and raising a fuss, then they'll amnesty everyone!"

and with that, let's focus this thread back on monuments, which really should've been merged into the overall "Government Shutdown" thread in the first place.

Anyone wanting to talk illegal immigration is welcome to open a thread in RPFW to do so.
it kind of segued, logically IMO, from the 'memorials are closed but why is the mall still open?' comment....

Exactly.

bayonetbrant

#28
October 09, 2013, 02:07:20 PM
I understand how we segued away from the original discussion.  I just didn't want a Vets vs Park Rangers thread to turn into an illegal immigration flamewar
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