IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Stalingrad Discussion

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SirAndrewD

Quote from: JasonPratt on April 26, 2019, 03:10:08 PM
To be fair, didn't Goering agree with that, too?  ^-^

He did.  However, it's also fair that in just about any flight sim/air combat game that has the Spitfire, it attracts players like moths.  Inevitably the allied side is filled with the blighters. 
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Silent Disapproval Robot

The Mk V that was available earlier (Kuban I think?) was fun and competitive.  The Mk IX in Bodenplatte? It's a beast.  I can't wait for the Tempest!   

SirAndrewD

Yeah, I like the Mark V.  I haven't flown the new Spit, I'll have to take it for a spin tonight.

I know that in War Thunder, which is very dubious on the correctness of its models and pretty far from anything approaching realism, the Spitfire is basically a gravity defying uber-plane and people fly it as such.
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Toonces

The Spitfire is probably the purest fighter aircraft ever created.  Absolutely elegant, and such a joy to fly.   :smitten:
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SirAndrewD

Quote from: Toonces on April 26, 2019, 10:48:34 PM
The Spitfire is probably the purest fighter aircraft ever created.  Absolutely elegant, and such a joy to fly.   :smitten:

Yeah, I spent a bit with the Mk IX tonight.  Freaking amazing, especially when you force the opponent into a turn fight without much room. 
"These men do not want a happy ship. They are deeply sick and try to compensate by making me feel miserable. Last week was my birthday. Nobody even said "happy birthday" to me. Someday this tape will be played and then they'll feel sorry."  - Sgt. Pinback

Silent Disapproval Robot

You don't even really need to do that.  With the new engine, you can climb with the 109s and keep pace with the 190s.  About the only area where the Spit seems noticeably inferior is in the roll rate when compared to the 190s

Tuna

Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on April 26, 2019, 03:02:34 PM
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Quote from: Gusington on April 26, 2019, 01:57:53 PM
:o

...Me 262 you say?

Yep.  It already has the P-47 and FW190-D9.  The P-51D is in the pipeline as well.

The new Spit flies rings around everything else in the sky.  Makes online a slog.  Oh look, everyone's in a Spit...again.

I thought the 109K and the 190D were the hot planes in MP? I think KOTA limits how many are available due to that (though haven't flown in 6 weeks! :P )

SirAndrewD

Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on April 27, 2019, 01:38:44 AM
You don't even really need to do that.  With the new engine, you can climb with the 109s and keep pace with the 190s.  About the only area where the Spit seems noticeably inferior is in the roll rate when compared to the 190s

Yeah, I'm still reverting to the habits in the Mk V, dragging the enemy low and making them bleed energy.   I'm going to have to try some risky things against a poor AI and really get the feel of it. 

It's a great plane.  I'm also enjoying the Dora 9 though.  It's super forgiving.
"These men do not want a happy ship. They are deeply sick and try to compensate by making me feel miserable. Last week was my birthday. Nobody even said "happy birthday" to me. Someday this tape will be played and then they'll feel sorry."  - Sgt. Pinback

Toonces

A competent 190 player should be able to beat a Spitfire. 

I haven't tried it in IL-2 yet, but in Aces High2 you had to fight the 190 in the vertical and use that excellent roll rate to change directions quickly.

I don't know how similarly IL-2 models those two aircraft.
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Skoop

^ That is still the way to beat a spit in a 190.  It requires a bit of patience though, far easier to grab a spit and just mix it up in turn fighting.  Especially with the Mark IX spit, there's very little engine management, makes it easy to jump into with all kinds of skill levels.

W8taminute

Quote from: Tuna on April 27, 2019, 08:43:12 AM
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on April 26, 2019, 03:02:34 PM
Quote from: SirAndrewD on April 26, 2019, 02:00:24 PM
Quote from: Gusington on April 26, 2019, 01:57:53 PM
:o

...Me 262 you say?

Yep.  It already has the P-47 and FW190-D9.  The P-51D is in the pipeline as well.



The new Spit flies rings around everything else in the sky.  Makes online a slog.  Oh look, everyone's in a Spit...again.

I thought the 109K and the 190D were the hot planes in MP? I think KOTA limits how many are available due to that (though haven't flown in 6 weeks! :P )

Tuna are you back flying again?
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Tuna

Quote from: W8taminute on April 29, 2019, 08:18:16 AM
Quote from: Tuna on April 27, 2019, 08:43:12 AM
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on April 26, 2019, 03:02:34 PM
Quote from: SirAndrewD on April 26, 2019, 02:00:24 PM
Quote from: Gusington on April 26, 2019, 01:57:53 PM
:o

...Me 262 you say?

Yep.  It already has the P-47 and FW190-D9.  The P-51D is in the pipeline as well.



The new Spit flies rings around everything else in the sky.  Makes online a slog.  Oh look, everyone's in a Spit...again.

I thought the 109K and the 190D were the hot planes in MP? I think KOTA limits how many are available due to that (though haven't flown in 6 weeks! :P )

Tuna are you back flying again?

I haven't yet, but I think I should he okay. Driving, today is first day in the office.

Tuna

Think I saw some posts about KOTA doing team events, I wonder if that is on the weekends.

W8taminute

Good to hear you're feeling well enough to drive again.  When you're ready to fly let me know.  I'm always up for doing a bomb run with friends.
"You and I are of a kind. In a different reality, I could have called you friend."

Romulan Commander to Kirk

MengJiao

Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on April 26, 2019, 03:02:34 PM
Quote from: SirAndrewD on April 26, 2019, 02:00:24 PM
Quote from: Gusington on April 26, 2019, 01:57:53 PM
:o

...Me 262 you say?

Yep.  It already has the P-47 and FW190-D9.  The P-51D is in the pipeline as well.

Spitfire Vb:



The new Spit flies rings around everything else in the sky.  Makes online a slog.  Oh look, everyone's in a Spit...again.