Cannabis

[JudgeDredd]

So - cannabis is legal in Colarado.

A mate at work asked a question - How does that tie in with drug testing at the work place? If it's legal to have and consume, how can it be illegal in the workplace. I mean - I get you can't sit there smoking it - and much like alcohol, you can't sit at work drinking and must turn up for work able to perform your duties.

But you aren't tested for alcohol consumption - you can be tested for drug use and marijuana can last in your system for sometime.

Anyone from Colorado know the answer to this? Have works been told they can't sack people who are fully capable of doing their jobs even if they're tested positive for marijuana?

[mirth]

Colorado employers retain complete authority for deciding to terminate employees for marijuana use.

http://www.denverpost.com/marijuana/ci_24799683/employers-can-still-fire-pot-smokers-legal-use

[bayonetbrant]

That said - if you work for a company that includes offices in other states, and there's a chance they could transfer you, or have you traveling to work elsewhere, then the laws get murky, and even the lawyers have admitted it'll take an actual court challenge to sort it out.

What will be really interesting is the first E3 from Ft Carson who comes in after 10 days of leave and has a piss test the next morning.

[mirth]

Oh I think there will be court challenges. I was just pointing put how the law works in CO.

[DoctorQuest]

The article basically points out the double standard put in place by the law. I'm not quite sure everyone was ready for this sort of progressive legislation. Drug testing right now is sort of determined by the type of work. Workers who could endanger themselves or others while impaired seem to have a more strict testing policy (More random tests, etc.) which is good.

Most of us probably have had the same experience. You get tested when you apply for the job but not beyond that no tests unless their is some sort of probable cause.

[Bison]

What will be really interesting is the first E3 from Ft Carson who comes in after 10 days of leave and has a piss test the next morning.

Nope.  That E3 will be civilian Joe in short order.  That has already been addressed.

[Airborne Rifles]

What will be really interesting is the first E3 from Ft Carson who comes in after 10 days of leave and has a piss test the next morning.

Nope.  That E3 will be civilian Joe in short order.  That has already been addressed.

Yep.

[bayonetbrant]

I hear y'all - but some E3 is going to become the cause celebre for a spotlight-seeking lawyer looking to change the laws.  You know it and I know it.  It's just a matter of time.  They've already played fast-and-loose with drinking ages on post vis-a-vis local laws, so the precedent is set.

[LongBlade]

What will be really interesting is the first E3 from Ft Carson who comes in after 10 days of leave and has a piss test the next morning.

I think Mirth has the right of it.

Employers can and do have zero tolerance policies on drug and alcohol use. The military shouldn't be different. If you test positive, your ass is grass, as they say.

[Bison]

There is a zero drug use policy in place, which includes use of prescription drugs that are expired.  They aren't playing the needed numbers game anymore.

[skeptical.platypus]

What will be really interesting is the first E3 from Ft Carson who comes in after 10 days of leave and has a piss test the next morning.

I think Mirth has the right of it.

Employers can and do have zero tolerance policies on drug and alcohol use. The military shouldn't be different. If you test positive, your ass is grass, as they say.

If it doesn't happen in Ft. Carson, it'll be JBLM after May <- estimate for WA state's recreational mj shops opening up.

[FarAway Sooner]

Yeah, CO state law addresses the employer question pretty clearly.  While I favor legalization of cannabis, I also favor being able to fire people who test positive for the stuff if you want to.  (there's a double-standard there, but I feel like employers ought to be able to require the same thing for alcohol and tabacco if they feel so inclined)

One big upside to the legalization of recreational marijuana in CO and WA:  You're starting to see a lot of medical marijuana companies being traded on the stock exchanges, and some of them have awesome ticker symbols!

[BanzaiCat]

I've never partaken of marijuana and usually don't drink in excess but maybe once a year, but I agree the rules should pertain to maui-wowie just like alcohol. Liquor ain't illegal, but showing up to work drunk/smelling like a brewery should get you fired just as fast as showing up smelling like a Grateful Dead concert and being stoned out of your gourd. That's just f&cking stupid.

If you don't have anywhere to be and you're not driving or doing anything else that'll put you or someone else in danger, fine...obliterate yourself and enjoy the consequences when you wake up (hangover, what have you). It's a small price to pay, but paying with your job, not so much.

That's the thing about employers; just because something is legal doesn't mean they want it at their place of business (liquor, weed, firearms, MILF porn, what have you). I have no problem with legalizing weed. It's the morons that I worry about.

[MetalDog]

I've never partaken of marijuana and usually don't drink in excess but maybe once a year, but I agree the rules should pertain to maui-wowie just like alcohol. Liquor ain't illegal, but showing up to work drunk/smelling like a brewery should get you fired just as fast as showing up smelling like a Grateful Dead concert and being stoned out of your gourd. That's just f&cking stupid.

If you don't have anywhere to be and you're not driving or doing anything else that'll put you or someone else in danger, fine...obliterate yourself and enjoy the consequences when you wake up (hangover, what have you). It's a small price to pay, but paying with your job, not so much.

That's the thing about employers; just because something is legal doesn't mean they want it at their place of business (liquor, weed, firearms, MILF porn, what have you). I have no problem with legalizing weed. It's the morons that I worry about.

I've met more liquored up morons than stoned out morons.  By a power of ten, at least.

[BanzaiCat]

^ Exactly, yes.

And how many DUI accidents actually involve weed as opposed to liquor? I'd imagine many, many more are caused by the hard stuff and not the leaf.