Chaos Reborn (from creator of original X-COM and Chaos: The Battle of Wizards)

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steve58

March 22, 2014, 08:16:48 AM
Seems to be a great year for fantasy game lovers.  I never played Chaos: The Battle of Wizards, but this one certainly looks interesting.


http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/03/17/chaos-reborn-preview/

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1206403106/chaos-reborn-from-the-creator-of-the-original-x-co
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Boggit

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March 22, 2014, 08:19:03 AM
You can't go wrong with a Gollop Game. 8)
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FlickJax

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March 22, 2014, 08:24:45 AM
oh well, that is a day one purchase for me. I loved Chaos on my Spectrum.

steve58

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April 10, 2014, 05:02:06 PM
6 days to go in the Kickstarter and a write-up on Spacesector.
Government is not the solution to our problem—government is the problem.   Ronald Reagan
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.   Thomas Jefferson
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.   George Orwell  The truth is quiet...It's the lies that are loud.   Jesus Revolution
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Huw the Poo

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July 06, 2015, 05:18:07 PM
I see this is on offer on Steam this week.  Has anybody here played it lately?  Any good?

Jarhead0331

#6
July 06, 2015, 06:56:24 PM
I don't see why they are pimping the fact that this is from the same guy who did the original xcom...being that this game is nothing like the original xcom.
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Nefaro

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July 06, 2015, 07:04:14 PM Last Edit: July 06, 2015, 07:06:22 PM by Nefaro
Quote from: Huw the Poo on July 06, 2015, 05:18:07 PM
I see this is on offer on Steam this week.  Has anybody here played it lately?  Any good?

I tried a couple games against the AI. 

It would probably be a good game if your spell plays didn't wholly rely on a simple percentage chance of them actually succeeding. 

While I usually enjoy such Risk vs Reward situations in games, this one seems to be exceptionally prone to being screwed by RNGesus.  I specifically recall one game where I failed to cast three spells in a row (at around 70% success chance each), thus losing those three turns.  All while the opponent was succeeding each turn in summoning monsters to come pummel me continuously.

There's no recourse for getting screwed like that, either, so matches can start off terribly for one person and they'll be behind the whole time.  That was the impression I got.   It's like a competitive board game, but one that has a simplistically bad mechanic at it's heart.

Huw the Poo

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July 06, 2015, 07:13:33 PM
Bleh, that's precisely why I didn't like Space Hulk.  I guess I'll scratch it off the list then.  Cheers Nef.

vyshka

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July 06, 2015, 08:26:53 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on July 06, 2015, 06:56:24 PM
I don't see why they are pimping the fact that this is from the same guy who did the original xcom...being that this game is nothing like the original xcom.

Same reason they always put Sid Meier's name on the box? Before he was known for xcom he was known for the original version of this game.

Jarhead0331

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July 06, 2015, 08:54:09 PM
Quote from: vyshka on July 06, 2015, 08:26:53 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on July 06, 2015, 06:56:24 PM
I don't see why they are pimping the fact that this is from the same guy who did the original xcom...being that this game is nothing like the original xcom.

Same reason they always put Sid Meier's name on the box? Before he was known for xcom he was known for the original version of this game.

I'd think they would want to stress that more, no? I had no idea this was even a remake.
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Nefaro

#11
July 06, 2015, 09:32:37 PM
Quote from: Huw the Poo on July 06, 2015, 07:13:33 PM
Bleh, that's precisely why I didn't like Space Hulk.  I guess I'll scratch it off the list then.  Cheers Nef.

It's probably much worse.  Just a straight up percentage chance of actually working, depending on card level.  No environment variables and very few from abilities IIRC.

I think it would have great potential if they did something to improve that mechanic.

FlickJax

#12
July 07, 2015, 01:37:37 AM
Quote from: Nefaro on July 06, 2015, 07:04:14 PM
Quote from: Huw the Poo on July 06, 2015, 05:18:07 PM
I see this is on offer on Steam this week.  Has anybody here played it lately?  Any good?

I tried a couple games against the AI. 

It would probably be a good game if your spell plays didn't wholly rely on a simple percentage chance of them actually succeeding. 

While I usually enjoy such Risk vs Reward situations in games, this one seems to be exceptionally prone to being screwed by RNGesus.  I specifically recall one game where I failed to cast three spells in a row (at around 70% success chance each), thus losing those three turns.  All while the opponent was succeeding each turn in summoning monsters to come pummel me continuously.

There's no recourse for getting screwed like that, either, so matches can start off terribly for one person and they'll be behind the whole time.  That was the impression I got.   It's like a competitive board game, but one that has a simplistically bad mechanic at it's heart.


If you played the original game that was part of  mechanic, you could always cast an illusion which works 100% of the time but you then have the chance that the enemy wizard would dispel it, did you try dispel on any of his casts?

FarAway Sooner

#13
July 07, 2015, 09:51:15 AM
Seems like it might have a richer PvP angle than for solo play?

Nefaro

#14
July 07, 2015, 05:31:02 PM
Quote from: FlickJax on July 07, 2015, 01:37:37 AM



If you played the original game that was part of  mechanic, you could always cast an illusion which works 100% of the time but you then have the chance that the enemy wizard would dispel it, did you try dispel on any of his casts?

Yes.  Twice.   Nothing doing both times. 

I just started resorting to that in the hopes that the AI had cast some illusions, because it had been succeeding at it's cast rolls every turn.  Alas, that was not the case and I wasted more time trying to disbelieve some of them.


Quote from: FarAway Sooner on July 07, 2015, 09:51:15 AM
Seems like it might have a richer PvP angle than for solo play?

Definitely.  But for the same reason the huge dependence on the RNG rolls will still be a problem.

Like I said.. I enjoy games involving some chance dice rolling.  But this one didn't give me the warm fuzzies about it at all.  Most of the good ones also have ways of influencing your chances, via different extra mechanics, but this one was lacking in such.  Those kinds of extra mechanics are essential in these types, and this one lacks in that department and just uses a lame "shell game" one in it's stead.
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