I'm totally underwhelmed. Rudd might be a good player for this one, but the movie trailer just doesn't impress all that much. Then again I never was much a fan of Ant-Man though I liked the crossover stories they did when he was in the Iron Man comics.
Agree. Wasn't impressed at all. And Michael Douglas? Maybe I'll watch if they shrink him.
without Janet Van Dyne, I'm just pissed...
I liked Wasp a lot more. I don't understand why they don't have her in Marvel film mythos yet, but I guess they can't cover everyone. I mean if you're going to do an Ant-Man or a Black Panther, for frig's sake you need Wasp. Not having her in the Avengers was just weird.
apparently in the MCU, she's already dead, and her daughter (?!) is going to be in Ant-Man
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My faith in the MCU is well-grounded from past experience; and I still thought that trailer seemed dubious.
The joke of having the teaser for the trailer play so small you can't see what's going on, was much better. Ant-Man, and even Giant-Man (and the various permutations thereof), is not an inherently grim Batmanesque idea or character. The tone ought to be much more like Guardians. This kind of seemed like it should be for, I dunno, the Punisher.
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on January 07, 2015, 01:50:20 PM
I liked Wasp a lot more. I don't understand why they don't have her in Marvel film mythos yet, but I guess they can't cover everyone. I mean if you're going to do an Ant-Man or a Black Panther, for frig's sake you need Wasp. Not having her in the Avengers was just weird.
100% agreement.
But... but they had a completely unpowered woman in the Avengers movie, who rarely does anything with the group in the comics! What more did you want!? :P
(Almost anyone actually.)
The thing that struck me the other day, as I was reading about the new Peggy Carter show, is that I want more Marvel, but I want it done well. Every effort. And as Peter Jackson showed me with his loose adherence to the Lord of the Rings, I can get what I want, but there will be disappointment mixed in. Having said that, as soon as I heard Michael Douglas's voice, I pictured him as Liberace. I'll never be able to seperate the two again.
Lol. I love you princesses. We're in a golden age of comic book based movies and you're still bitching and moaning! :uglystupid2:
Quote from: MetalDog on January 07, 2015, 06:53:35 PM
Having said that, as soon as I heard Michael Douglas's voice, I pictured him as Liberace. I'll never be able to seperate the two again.
:2funny:
Quote from: mirth on January 07, 2015, 08:06:39 PM
Lol. I love you princesses. We're in a golden age of comic book based movies and you're still bitching and moaning! :uglystupid2:
Is it really too much to ask for an adherence to what I enjoy in its original, unaltered form? Obviously, there was something compelling and entertaining in it that I, and however many others, spent the time, money, and effort to become fans. So, because someone gives you a boatload of money and says, "Have it it!," you can put out what ever 'your,' spin is? Because, of course, you know better what people like, which is why this property has become available in the first place. The author was just preparing a template for you to take it to greater heights!
"Bitching and moaning" is the God-given right of any comic book nerd/aficionado.
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on January 08, 2015, 07:00:49 AM
"Bitching and moaning" is the God-given right of any comic book nerd/aficionado.
...gamer, sports fan, 80-year old granny
Quote from: mirth on January 08, 2015, 09:18:23 AM
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on January 08, 2015, 07:00:49 AM
"Bitching and moaning" is the God-given right of any comic book nerd/aficionado.
...gamer, sports fan, 80-year old granny
...GrogHeads forum member...
I understand not including anyone other than the MCU had already shown in Av1: that's what they were building toward in the previous movies, now it's time to play with all the toys. Adding Janet makes no sense without adding Henry (unless the story is going to be radically changed to her being who applies and maybe discovers Pym particles -- which I'd be okay with but still that's shortchanging the material again).
And I understand her not being in the Ant-Man movie. They wanted to include the two biggest interpretations of Ant-Man, Henry Pym and Scott Lang, without directly competing with the Science Bros already established on the Avengers team. That only makes sense if Pym is too old to be Ant-Man, and then Janet is also too old to be Wasp and her main contributing function otherwise was to fund Pym -- which can be done without her still being alive. So is it better for the film not to waste time and money putting her into the story in a highly substandard way the fans will hate, or is it better to move along to their daughter and let her be the Wasp eventually?
Looked at like that, I agree with the decision.
Well, I'm not really all that angry or whiny about it (and if I'm coming across that way, that's not my intent). Having grown up reading Marvel comics, you get a certain mythos embedded in you. Now, you have 20-something moviegoers that don't have that background that are seeing this and taking it as holy writ, when there is SO much more to it than just what you can put into a 2-hour movie. I can only hope it encourages a new generation of comic-readers.
I'm still pretty sketchy on the movie, but this is the best trailer so far
And Cory Stoll has to be the least menacing actor in Hollywood. At least he doesn't have that goofy hairdo he sports in The Strain.
I'm just not excited for this one at all. I'm not even sure I'm gonna go see it; if I do, it'll be with absolutely no expectations.
Last time I went to the cinema there was a trailer for it and the two guys in front looked at each other an said 'is this a real film, or one of those spoof things, I don't get it' and after the trailer neither did I
My wife, nephew and I have all seen the movie and liked it.
It is a good superhero movie. Much better than the Hulk movies and the Fantastic 4 movies - but not as good as some of the others. Say a 6-7 on a superhero movie rating scale where Captain America 1 = 10 and the first Hulk Movie = 1.
My kids liked it. I still haven't seen it yet :-[
I saw it and liked it. I don't care for Michael Douglas, and I didn't really like him in this movie, but, I thought everyone acted their parts well and the story was ok. Tepid praise, I know, but, much better than Black Mass. At least I was entertained watching Ant Man.
Watched it last night. It was silly. If the guy retains his density even when he shrinks, how the hell can a little carpenter ant carry him around on its back? And how the hell could Michael Douglas lift his keychain?
You're trying to apply physics logic to superhero movies?
What's the fuel source for the Iron Man suits?
They don't go out of their way to make the fuel source a plot point in Iron Man. They do go out of their way to explain the density thing in Ant-Man. They should at least be consistent.
The Arc Reactor? It was a pretty big plot point in IM and IM2.
All of Stark's impossible tech is explained away with, "Tony's a genius". ::)
It's a lame explanation but at least there's consistency to it. In Ant-Man, the chick goes out of her way to explain to the audience that the guy still retains his mass after he shrinks which is why he can hurt people when he punches them. It also shows a bunch of establishing shots demonstrating this by having him get blasted through walls, crack floor tiles, and dent metal when he falls on them. A little logical consistency would be nice.
Carrying a tank in your pocket? I sort of missed that aspect of it.
What bothered me was driving the tank out of the 2nd or 3rd story of a building and surviving.
The arc reactor was powering Tony. But in IM3 when the suit flies, piece by piece, to Miami, that's not arc reactors
Quote from: bayonetbrant on November 08, 2015, 11:10:12 AM
The arc reactor was powering Tony. But in IM3 when the suit flies, piece by piece, to Miami, that's not arc reactors
As improbable as the arc reactor is, I agree the independent and fully autonomous suit pieces was really stretching it. IM3 had a lot of dumb things in it. When Pepper started using her Extremis powers and turned all Human Torch, her sports bra should have burned completely off.
Quote from: mirth on November 08, 2015, 11:20:50 AM
When Pepper started using her Extremis powers and turned all Human Torch, her sports bra should have burned completely off.
Yes. Yes it certainly should have... everything else I can forgive.
Nomex sports bra?
Quote from: bayonetbrant on November 08, 2015, 12:47:54 PM
Nomex sports bra?
Wasn't looking for an explanation. Just a different outcome. :(
The nerd is strong in this thread.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on November 08, 2015, 11:10:12 AM
The arc reactor was powering Tony. But in IM3 when the suit flies, piece by piece, to Miami, that's not arc reactors
I don't think I watched all of 3. I started watching it on a flight but slept through a lot of it. Besides, isn't it now tradition that the 3rd film in any comic book movie franchise has to suck?
3 wasn't bad. There's some interesting psychological exploration with Tony...
Plus, my neighbor is in it
Quote from: bayonetbrant on November 08, 2015, 06:33:59 PM
3 wasn't bad. There's some interesting psychological exploration with Tony...
Plus, my neighbor is in it
Your neighbor is Guy Pearce?
The reporter badgering Tony before he looks into the camera and tells the Mandarin to come get him, is the wife from all the silly family parody videos like "Christmas Jammies" and "I Like Big Bus" and "All About That Baste"
They live about 8 houses away and we chat with her husband at the pool all the time.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on November 08, 2015, 08:29:48 PM
The reporter badgering Tony before he looks into the camera and tells the Mandarin to come get him, is the wife from all the silly family parody videos like "Christmas Jammies" and "I Like Big Bus" and "All About That Baste"
They live about 8 houses away and we chat with her husband at the pool all the time.
Cool! I've seen the Christmas Jammies video. Funny shit.
Oh, nifty! I didn't know she was that woman, kewl!
I liked IM3 a lot, despite its occasional absurd plot points (not restricted to Jarvis having the completely wrong idea which side of Tennessee that town was on.) And despite its finale being effectively disavowed by Av2, which I fully expected to happen anyway although I was hoping it would happen more elegantly than '...and then he went right back to being Iron Man and making more autonomous suits.'
I'm going to charitably chalk that up to an editing glitch somewhere in production or final cutting of the film; I think Whedon said there was a ton of things that didn't make the theatrical cut (and which would never make the Blu because he was tired of trying to make the films).
On the OP, sadly I haven't seen Ant-Man yet; but I fully expect I'll like it. :) It's on my Christmas list. My nieces saw commercials and wanted to know if I was going to take the Bro to see "Anti-man".
Quote from: JasonPratt on November 09, 2015, 03:18:10 PM
Oh, nifty! I didn't know she was that woman, kewl!
I liked IM3 a lot, despite its occasional absurd plot points (not restricted to Jarvis having the completely wrong idea which side of Tennessee that town was on.) And despite its finale being effectively disavowed by Av2, which I fully expected to happen anyway although I was hoping it would happen more elegantly than '...and then he went right back to being Iron Man and making more autonomous suits.'
I'm going to charitably chalk that up to an editing glitch somewhere in production or final cutting of the film; I think Whedon said there was a ton of things that didn't make the theatrical cut (and which would never make the Blu because he was tired of trying to make the films).
On the OP, sadly I haven't seen Ant-Man yet; but I fully expect I'll like it. :) It's on my Christmas list. My nieces saw commercials and wanted to know if I was going to take the Bro to see "Anti-man".
Better than Aunt-Man. Which is what Caitlyn Jenner's sister's kids call (s)him. ;)