http://www.cityofgangsters.com/
By way of Tropico.....
PE
Just put my pre-purchase in for this game.....if your interested in buying it, Greenmangaming has an awesome deal.....
Regular Price is $39
Currently on Sale for $33
Right now you can also use their 25% discount code to get it down to $25
Then when you pre-purchase games, you can get $2 back or $3 store credit...
So bottomline for me, just bought for $23. Not bad for a new game.
Discount code is GMG25-XTYYZ-POSL1 and link to game....http://www.greenmangaming.com/s/us/en/pc/games/strategy/omerta-city-gangsters/
This is the #1 game on my radar right now. I'm pleased that the release date is so close 8)
Quote from: Steelgrave on January 10, 2013, 07:32:26 PM
This is the #1 game on my radar right now. I'm pleased that the release date is so close 8)
Grab the pre order now, can't imagine you'll find it cheaper anytime soon...hopefully they do release on jan 31 like they currently say
Thanks Reaper! That saved me a sizable amount on a game I am excited to get!
Ditto :D
No problem guys, I am just hoping it turns out to be a good game. Seems like most previews seem to be not overly excited about it. But for $23 I am certainly willing to take the risk, especially since I like the theme of the game. My tastes typically don't agree with reviewers anyway:)
I am sure it's going to be a solid game. I believe in the guys of Haemimont...never released a bad game.
Nice heads up - looks good. pre-order going in!
BLAH! Damn website won't let me register!
I'm going to pre-order soon.
Though I don't see the point of pre-ordering so many weeks in advance.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 11, 2013, 04:42:44 AM
No problem guys, I am just hoping it turns out to be a good game. Seems like most previews seem to be not overly excited about it. But for $23 I am certainly willing to take the risk, especially since I like the theme of the game. My tastes typically don't agree with reviewers anyway:)
yeah RPS arent too keen on it but i didnt want to put a downer on the love here, but as you say everyones tastes vary - i think the combat is their concern
One of the beta testers has a few videos up on Youtube. Not to be Debbie Downer here, but they were enough to take me from a Day One purchase to "wait and see". Something just seems to be "off", but of course this would still be the beta.
I think it's a language problem, since the developers aren't native English speakers they get little things like slang wrong, and that ruins immersion for me. Who calls Prohibition "THE Prohibition"? If they let someone with a better knowledge of American wiseguy slang take a swipe at the script it would help a lot.
Hmm... I would actually say "During the Prohibition." Perhaps a regional thing?
Quote from: son_of_montfort on January 11, 2013, 09:00:16 AM
Hmm... I would actually say "During the Prohibition." Perhaps a regional thing?
Might be. Prohibition can be treated as a proper noun and used without the article. Might be a linguistic flourish, but given that Kalypso is publishing it's probably a translation issue (I won't call it an error) more than anything.
Quote from: LongBlade on January 11, 2013, 09:10:46 AM
Quote from: son_of_montfort on January 11, 2013, 09:00:16 AM
Hmm... I would actually say "During the Prohibition." Perhaps a regional thing?
Might be. Prohibition can be treated as a proper noun and used without the article. Might be a linguistic flourish, but given that Kalypso is publishing it's probably a translation issue (I won't call it an error) more than anything.
Personally I am loathed to pre order anything from kalypso given the last debacle - but I suppose the dev has more of a track record.
Quote from: Tpek on January 11, 2013, 06:21:47 AM
I'm going to pre-order soon.
Though I don't see the point of pre-ordering so many weeks in advance.
In order to get for $23:)
Quote from: Zulu1966 on January 11, 2013, 09:16:40 AM
Personally I am loathed to pre order anything from kalypso given the last debacle - but I suppose the dev has more of a track record.
The devs are the key. Kalypso doesn't have deep pockets. If they're handed a crap game they're more likely to publish it and wring what little profit they can from it rather than pouring money down a hole and hoping for a better product.
Being a game publisher is all about cash flow. Even the biggest cannot afford too much.
Quote from: Zulu1966 on January 11, 2013, 09:16:40 AM
Personally I am loathed to pre order anything from kalypso given the last debacle - but I suppose the dev has more of a track record.
What "debacle" was this?
Quote from: Nefaro on January 11, 2013, 12:08:03 PM
Quote from: Zulu1966 on January 11, 2013, 09:16:40 AM
Personally I am loathed to pre order anything from kalypso given the last debacle - but I suppose the dev has more of a track record.
What "debacle" was this?
Legends of Pegasus
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 11, 2013, 10:22:43 AM
Quote from: Tpek on January 11, 2013, 06:21:47 AM
I'm going to pre-order soon.
Though I don't see the point of pre-ordering so many weeks in advance.
In order to get for $23:)
25$, and yeah I got it :P
Too bad that they only now made coupons work with it. Previously I had a ~30-33% off coupon I couldn't use on it :(
Quote from: Anguille on January 11, 2013, 12:18:26 PM
Quote from: Nefaro on January 11, 2013, 12:08:03 PM
Quote from: Zulu1966 on January 11, 2013, 09:16:40 AM
Personally I am loathed to pre order anything from kalypso given the last debacle - but I suppose the dev has more of a track record.
What "debacle" was this?
Legends of Pegasus
Yes - or consumer fraud - as its otherwise known to any business outside of gaming.
Quote from: Tpek on January 11, 2013, 12:45:19 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 11, 2013, 10:22:43 AM
Quote from: Tpek on January 11, 2013, 06:21:47 AM
I'm going to pre-order soon.
Though I don't see the point of pre-ordering so many weeks in advance.
In order to get for $23:)
25$, and yeah I got it :P
Too bad that they only now made coupons work with it. Previously I had a ~30-33% off coupon I couldn't use on it :(
Plus $2 cash back:)
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 11, 2013, 04:21:30 PM
Quote from: Tpek on January 11, 2013, 12:45:19 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 11, 2013, 10:22:43 AM
Quote from: Tpek on January 11, 2013, 06:21:47 AM
I'm going to pre-order soon.
Though I don't see the point of pre-ordering so many weeks in advance.
In order to get for $23:)
25$, and yeah I got it :P
Too bad that they only now made coupons work with it. Previously I had a ~30-33% off coupon I couldn't use on it :(
Plus $2 cash back:)
Then it's 22$, I got the 3$ cashback option :P
Quote from: Tpek on January 11, 2013, 04:24:08 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 11, 2013, 04:21:30 PM
Quote from: Tpek on January 11, 2013, 12:45:19 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 11, 2013, 10:22:43 AM
Quote from: Tpek on January 11, 2013, 06:21:47 AM
I'm going to pre-order soon.
Though I don't see the point of pre-ordering so many weeks in advance.
In order to get for $23:)
25$, and yeah I got it :P
Too bad that they only now made coupons work with it. Previously I had a ~30-33% off coupon I couldn't use on it :(
Plus $2 cash back:)
Then it's 22$, I got the 3$ cashback option :P
Not bad for a new game:)
Well, if I can mod in Bela Oxmyx and Jojo Crako count me in!
Quote from: Zulu1966 on January 11, 2013, 03:55:44 PM
Quote from: Anguille on January 11, 2013, 12:18:26 PM
Quote from: Nefaro on January 11, 2013, 12:08:03 PM
Quote from: Zulu1966 on January 11, 2013, 09:16:40 AM
Personally I am loathed to pre order anything from kalypso given the last debacle - but I suppose the dev has more of a track record.
What "debacle" was this?
Legends of Pegasus
Yes - or consumer fraud - as its otherwise known to any business outside of gaming.
So I guess that the devs just packed up & left after releasing that unfinished? I never picked it up so don't know how that ordeal ended.
If you want to call going out of business "packing up and leaving". It doesn't excuse the state of the release,but it does address intent.
Not really sure why Kalypso would get the blame. What are they supposed to do, hand a bunch of unfamiliar code to a new dev who doesn't know where anything is in there?
Didn't they patch Legends of Pegasus several times after release and made it playable?
Quote from: bbmike on January 11, 2013, 05:04:24 PM
Well, if I can mod in Bela Oxmyx and Jojo Crako count me in!
Heh. I got the reference 8)
While I wait for this game to come out, noticed that GOG had Gangsters: Organized Crime and Gangland for about $6. Anybody ever play them? Seemed like Gangsters had some decent reviews, but it also seems that most people said it was overly complex and never knew what they were doing. For only $6, might take a chance, but curious if anybody here has any personal experience with either.
Quote from: Arctic Blast on January 12, 2013, 02:13:40 AM
Not really sure why Kalypso would get the blame. What are they supposed to do, hand a bunch of unfamiliar code to a new dev who doesn't know where anything is in there?
Perhaps - given they (Kalypso) knew it was a POS - should have done the hounorable thing and not release it. Just because they are going to take a hit on it - doesnt excuse them knowingly releasing a product that doesnt work. Thats their problem not the consumers. I simply dont get where its ok for a publisher to sell something they know doesnt work. OK - it may have bugs ... but plainly doesnt do what its supposed to do is different. And no - they never got it working. The Devs went out of business cause people started asking for - and getting their money back, Even from Steam, yes - thats how bad it was. Kalypso likely knew that was going to happen also - so that makes their release even worse as it was just a punt to recoup some cash from consumers - as they knew there was little chance of it getting fixed. they were the publisher - that has to mean something so they are responsible also.
Quote from: Zulu1966 on January 12, 2013, 08:54:32 AM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on January 12, 2013, 02:13:40 AM
Not really sure why Kalypso would get the blame. What are they supposed to do, hand a bunch of unfamiliar code to a new dev who doesn't know where anything is in there?
Perhaps - given they (Kalypso) knew it was a POS - should have done the hounorable thing and not release it. Just because they are going to take a hit on it - doesnt excuse them knowingly releasing a product that doesnt work. Thats their problem not the consumers. I simply dont get where its ok for a publisher to sell something they know doesnt work. OK - it may have bugs ... but plainly doesnt do what its supposed to do is different. And no - they never got it working. The Devs went out of business cause people started asking for - and getting their money back, Even from Steam, yes - thats how bad it was. Kalypso likely knew that was going to happen also - so that makes their release even worse as it was just a punt to recoup some cash from consumers - as they knew there was little chance of it getting fixed. they were the publisher - that has to mean something so they are responsible also.
I don't disagree with you. But based on how tenuous the finances of the developer turned out to be, they were probably backed in to a corner filled with very unpleasant choices. If they don't release and start revenue coming in, the developer goes under...so now what? Sure, maybe Kalypso should have done some better research in to the quality and health of the developer, but at the same time I'd suspect that the developer wasn't exactly being honest about their actual position until they reached the point of no return.
That's pretty much what seems to have happened with Sword of the Stars II at launch. I will say that Kalypso would have done well to follow the lead of Paradox with that game, where they admitted right off the start that the game wasn't ready, here's why, and we'll give you your money back if you want it.
Quote from: Arctic Blast on January 12, 2013, 04:03:08 PM
Quote from: Zulu1966 on January 12, 2013, 08:54:32 AM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on January 12, 2013, 02:13:40 AM
Not really sure why Kalypso would get the blame. What are they supposed to do, hand a bunch of unfamiliar code to a new dev who doesn't know where anything is in there?
Perhaps - given they (Kalypso) knew it was a POS - should have done the hounorable thing and not release it. Just because they are going to take a hit on it - doesnt excuse them knowingly releasing a product that doesnt work. Thats their problem not the consumers. I simply dont get where its ok for a publisher to sell something they know doesnt work. OK - it may have bugs ... but plainly doesnt do what its supposed to do is different. And no - they never got it working. The Devs went out of business cause people started asking for - and getting their money back, Even from Steam, yes - thats how bad it was. Kalypso likely knew that was going to happen also - so that makes their release even worse as it was just a punt to recoup some cash from consumers - as they knew there was little chance of it getting fixed. they were the publisher - that has to mean something so they are responsible also.
I don't disagree with you. But based on how tenuous the finances of the developer turned out to be, they were probably backed in to a corner filled with very unpleasant choices. If they don't release and start revenue coming in, the developer goes under...so now what? Sure, maybe Kalypso should have done some better research in to the quality and health of the developer, but at the same time I'd suspect that the developer wasn't exactly being honest about their actual position until they reached the point of no return.
That's pretty much what seems to have happened with Sword of the Stars II at launch. I will say that Kalypso would have done well to follow the lead of Paradox with that game, where they admitted right off the start that the game wasn't ready, here's why, and we'll give you your money back if you want it.
Well yes - totally agree with your last part. In fact - if they had done that - the dev may have been able to stick around for longer as I suspect people wouldnt have been so pissed about it. I am sure it was more the fact they were not honest about it than the fact that it didnt work led most people to start beating the "give me my money back" drum.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 12, 2013, 08:27:18 AM
While I wait for this game to come out, noticed that GOG had Gangsters: Organized Crime and Gangland for about $6. Anybody ever play them? Seemed like Gangsters had some decent reviews, but it also seems that most people said it was overly complex and never knew what they were doing. For only $6, might take a chance, but curious if anybody here has any personal experience with either.
I recall attempting to play Gangsters.. ohhh somewhere back around '99. That game is pretty old.
The game system was rather confusing and muddied. Didn't enjoy it much, myself.
Gangsters has some good ideas once you get past the learning curve and interface.
Sounds like it might be worth a $6 chance...
I should have known not to waste my time with this game, especially since it was so old. Can't get the thing working. Basically all text disappears when running it. I have tried everything, including what was suggested in many other places. Just guessing my setup just isn't compatible with what this game can do.
Omerta will be available on GOG...woot! Didn't think i would buy it but thanks to GOG i will.
So I am excited about Omerta. But I was going through the released screenshot on Gamersgate and came across this:
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgamersgate.http.internapcdn.net%2Fgamersgate%2Fscreenshots_img%2FDD-OMERTA%2F361198_ss_038054e21d1be9f1538d12375e76d42e646e51f0.1920x1080_medium.jpg&hash=2bafee89fd10594a58304c848cadaa2b0a14afcd)
I really want to know what is going on here? Are they beating up a racist? I'm not exactly sure what to think. Clearly taking a bat to that guy has some draw... but... well... huh?
^^Clearly Gandalf has been practicing magic without sending a cut of the resulting profits to the local crime boss. So they're simply reminding him that only by paying his monthly insurance can he prevent maybe suffering an accident of some sort...and next time, they'll send a Balrog.
I thought it was Casper.
Demo: http://www.gamefront.com/files/service/thankyou?id=22881205
They are saying it's the "first two levels" which probably means the ones from the videos, but since playing isn't the same as watching, downlaoding now.
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg248.imageshack.us%2Fimg248%2F849%2Fshylock.jpg&hash=131c7e52b2d7bb87bd437464e1bb991850282935)
Just became a Day One purchase!
Seriously, I enjoyed my limited time with demo more than I thought I would, although I lost the final battle at the end of the first chapter, and with no way to save I'm going to have to restart from the beginning when I have more time. Combat is pretty unforgiving at Normal difficulty.
There seems to be more to the first two chapters (and the game) then the videos of the beta revealed. I like the RPG-like system of traits, abilities, and perks, and the stats you give your avatar during creation matter (I discovered the hard way that a weak gang leader should not get into melee combat.
There is a city-bulding portion of the game that has to do with earning "clean" money. Combat is very much like JA, with the caveat that pistols appear to have unlimited ammo. I hope that other firearms operate differently.
Quote from: tgb on January 24, 2013, 09:39:20 AM
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg248.imageshack.us%2Fimg248%2F849%2Fshylock.jpg&hash=131c7e52b2d7bb87bd437464e1bb991850282935)
Just became a Day One purchase!
Seriously, I enjoyed my limited time with demo more than I thought I would, although I lost the final battle at the end of the first chapter, and with no way to save I'm going to have to restart from the beginning when I have more time. Combat is pretty unforgiving at Normal difficulty.
There seems to be more to the first two chapters (and the game) then the videos of the beta revealed. I like the RPG-like system of traits, abilities, and perks, and the stats you give your avatar during creation matter (I discovered the hard way that a weak gang leader should not get into melee combat.
There is a city-bulding portion of the game that has to do with earning "clean" money. Combat is very much like JA, with the caveat that pistols appear to have unlimited ammo. I hope that other firearms operate differently.
And all the Goyim say I'm pretty fly for a Rabbi... :P
Thanks for the info on the demo....I pre ordered awhile ago but will give the demo a shot.
When's the release for this?
I'll probably wait until it's out, and see what kind of condition it's in. Saving a couple bucks off for pre-ordering just isn't enough motivation for me to do so, if that's the case as usual.
Quote from: Nefaro on January 24, 2013, 10:48:36 PM
When's the release for this?
I'll probably wait until it's out, and see what kind of condition it's in. Saving a couple bucks off for pre-ordering just isn't enough motivation for me to do so, if that's the case as usual.
For me, I saved $16 so worth it to me, especially on a brand new game....as long as it doesn't totally suck:). I believe the last I saw it was supposed to release on January 31.
It releases digitally Thursday and in B&M stores mid-Feb. Steam is offering 2-packs on preorder for $50, so buddying up with someone is the best way to go.
I tackled the demo again, and this time finished it. There are a lot of things I like about it -the variety of actions you can take once you discover the right buildings (I completed the second scenario by giving a gift to a celebrity getting him to like me, and then pulled off a charity scam, which brought in most of the required $4000), the role playing elements and overall atmosphere, although I still wish the developers had let someone with a better grasp of grammar, syntax, and slang take another pass at it. Reducing police heat seems a little simplistic, little more than a die roll modified by buildings you own or have discovered.
I'm still not crazy about the combat. Aside from unlimited ammo, camera angles sometimes block a useful view. The cover system doesn't always make sense (why would a table standing in the middle of the room provide cover on 3 sides and not all 4? Why would it provide as much cover as a bookcase?), line of sight is a little wonky (at one point one of my guys and another gangster were both outside a house on opposite sides, shooting at each other through the windows and across the room between them), the AI will have a gangster run right up to you even if it means going without cover, and I never did discover how to switch to melee, despite my guys being pummeled by some guy standing nose to nose with them.
Overall I'm glad I pre-ordered as half of the $50 two-pack from Steam, because $25 is about the right price for this.
Applesauce!
^ Think this is exactly how I feel. I kinda liked combat, with the "different weapons give you different abilities" aspect, but seeing a guy shrug off a bullet wound is pretty silly (I would have rather had more miss chance and higher damage output). The interactions between all the businesses and the amount of actions you can take is pretty interesting. Some of them are a bit head scratching - why does a Pizza joint raise fear? Are people afraid of pizza? Why does a pizza joint not generate a passive amount of clean money?
But I got in at $23, so I think that is perfectly acceptable for a game like this.
The fact the game was nearly reduced by 50% before release probably was an indicator they felt it might fall short of expectations:). Still excited to play the full version
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 25, 2013, 04:57:32 PM
The fact the game was nearly reduced by 50% before release probably was an indicator they felt it might fall short of expectations:). Still excited to play the full version
Oh, I don't know, I got a few games from Greenman that were heavily discounted and they turned out alright.
Quote from: son_of_montfort on January 25, 2013, 02:32:40 PM
why does a Pizza joint raise fear? Are people afraid of pizza?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo-C6AatP7g
Quote from: son_of_montfort on January 25, 2013, 05:40:01 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 25, 2013, 04:57:32 PM
The fact the game was nearly reduced by 50% before release probably was an indicator they felt it might fall short of expectations:). Still excited to play the full version
Oh, I don't know, I got a few games from Greenman that were heavily discounted and they turned out alright.
Don't get me wrong, I am really looking forward to giving the full game a try....it doesn't have to be the world's greatest game for me to get my money's worth.
Those of you, who like me, have pre-ordered through GreenManGaming for their better pricing are in for a nasty surprise.
Turns out GMG doesn't have keys, and they are trying to find some/get more from the publisher. :(
EDIT: Link:
https://greenmangaming.zendesk.com/entries/23033351-omerta-city-of-gangsters
No one here who bought through GMG has anything to say? :P
Quote from: Tpek on January 31, 2013, 12:42:33 PM
No one here who bought through GMG has anything to say? :P
It will be worth a 24 hour wait to get it at more than $15 off. While I would have liked to play it this afternoon, they will surely have some keys fairly quickly. And if they don't, then some nice complaining might get even more goodies. I had this happen once from Direct2Drive and got a free game out of it.
So I'm pretty chill, at the moment.
Quote from: son_of_montfort on January 31, 2013, 12:51:45 PM
Quote from: Tpek on January 31, 2013, 12:42:33 PM
No one here who bought through GMG has anything to say? :P
It will be worth a 24 hour wait to get it at more than $15 off. While I would have liked to play it this afternoon, they will surely have some keys fairly quickly. And if they don't, then some nice complaining might get even more goodies. I had this happen once from Direct2Drive and got a free game out of it.
So I'm pretty chill, at the moment.
Problem is that I don't have Sunday as part of my weekend.
And I work my ass off most of the week. So every free hour I have is far more than precious.
And this annoying setback only keeps getting worse :(
It hasn't yet opened up on Steam (they still give one hour), so I don't think anyone can play it yet. Hopefully it will rectify pretty quickly.
EDIT: And after I say that, they switch it on. Strange.
Quote from: son_of_montfort on January 31, 2013, 01:06:14 PM
It hasn't yet opened up on Steam (they still give one hour), so I don't think anyone can play it yet. Hopefully it will rectify pretty quickly.
EDIT: And after I say that, they switch it on. Strange.
It's because they follow every word written on Grogheads with an almost religious fervor. And you're their Gaming God!
Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.............................................
I buckled this AM and grabbed it from Steam. So am I the only one who picked up LOLmerta from someone other than GMG?
Nevermind. I see that they don't have any of the copies activated as planned. This doesn't bode well. I'm guessing they still had some serious bugs and had been working up to the last minute for good or ill. :-\
EDIT: Bah! I didn't realize GOG was selling it. I would've got it there.
Quote from: Nefaro on January 31, 2013, 03:56:39 PM
I buckled this AM and grabbed it from Steam. So am I the only one who picked up LOLmerta from someone other than GMG?
Nevermind. I see that they don't have any of the copies activated as planned. This doesn't bode well. I'm guessing they still had some serious bugs and had been working up to the last minute for good or ill. :-\
EDIT: Bah! I didn't realize GOG was selling it. I would've got it there.
Yeah, still nothing. I'm confident that they will get some keys. If not, I wish they would refund the order, so I can feel confident getting it elsewhere.
Quote from: Nefaro on January 31, 2013, 03:56:39 PM
I buckled this AM and grabbed it from Steam. So am I the only one who picked up LOLmerta from someone other than GMG?
Nevermind. I see that they don't have any of the copies activated as planned. This doesn't bode well. I'm guessing they still had some serious bugs and had been working up to the last minute for good or ill. :-\
EDIT: Bah! I didn't realize GOG was selling it. I would've got it there.
GOG? No DRM? That would be a good thing.
Meh. I had to do the damn Steam client dance. Delect local content, restart steam, re-download, blah. Maybe it'll finally start now.
And, yes, I only just noticed someone mentioning we could get it at GOG, which I would've rather done. I need to remember to check there even for brand-new titles. :-[
Well, having already played the first two chapters of the tutorial in the demo, I thought I'd give the sandbox single player game a try.
First of all, let me say that all of my comments regarding the combat in the demo still hold true. But the strategic sandbox game is full of missed opportunities.
First of all, you never fight for control of Atlantic City. The city is arbitrarily divided into four neighborhoods, each one being a sandbox scenario of varying difficulty. Each neighborhood is surprisingly small. And sandbox is the perfect word, because there aren't any victory conditions. You just play until you control the neighborhood, I guess, or get shut down by the police, or get bored.
Worse, there are no rival gangs pushing back. Nobody trying to take control of the rackets that you are setting up. The only thing standing in the way of victory is cash flow, and the ability to reduce heat from the police when it gets too high.
What Omerta desperately needs is a strategic layer closer to Gangsters. I want to vie for control of a huge city against rival families. Where is the diplomacy? I want to sit down with the heads of other families, carve up the city, and go to the mattresses when they try to muscle into my territory.
Sadly, there is none of that here. Perhaps they are saving it for DLC.
There is lots of atmosphere and good RPG-like elements, and the tactical combat is OK, but not as good as XCOM. Perhaps the campaign will be more enjoyable, and I'll dive into that later tonight.
But for now I'm glad I only spent $25 dollars on it, and would advise others to get it for less than that on a sale (which I'm sure will be coming along any day now).
It's only February, but I'll be surprised if this doesn't top my list of the biggest disappointments of 2013.
Although disappointing, not too worried about the delay in receiving my keys. I got it for a very cheap price so I can wait a day or two, especially since I don't have time to play anyway:)
Quote from: tgb on January 31, 2013, 05:54:40 PM
Well, having already played the first two chapters of the tutorial in the demo, I thought I'd give the sandbox single player game a try.
First of all, let me say that all of my comments regarding the combat in the demo still hold true. But the strategic sandbox game is full of missed opportunities.
First of all, you never fight for control of Atlantic City. The city is arbitrarily divided into four neighborhoods, each one being a sandbox scenario of varying difficulty. Each neighborhood is surprisingly small. And sandbox is the perfect word, because there aren't any victory conditions. You just play until you control the neighborhood, I guess, or get shut down by the police, or get bored.
Worse, there are no rival gangs pushing back. Nobody trying to take control of the rackets that you are setting up. The only thing standing in the way of victory is cash flow, and the ability to reduce heat from the police when it gets too high.
What Omerta desperately needs is a strategic layer closer to Gangsters. I want to vie for control of a huge city against rival families. Where is the diplomacy? I want to sit down with the heads of other families, carve up the city, and go to the mattresses when they try to muscle into my territory.
Sadly, there is none of that here. Perhaps they are saving it for DLC.
There is lots of atmosphere and good RPG-like elements, and the tactical combat is OK, but not as good as XCOM. Perhaps the campaign will be more enjoyable, and I'll dive into that later tonight.
But for now I'm glad I only spent $25 dollars on it, and would advise others to get it for less than that on a sale (which I'm sure will be coming along any day now).
It's only February, but I'll be surprised if this doesn't top my list of the biggest disappointments of 2013.
Thanks for the mini view. I am not hearing good things anywhere else either - and the tactical combat sounds very lite to me - so this has slipped off my buy list. Shame - the concept could be really interesting but it seems the execution is a fail.
Thanks, tgb. It sounds just like Tropico. Tropico is an okay game but feels like it's also missing a greater 'strategic level'. More of a sim game. I may have to wait for the Steam summer sale on this one.
+1 on the thanks tgb. Sounds like I'll wait for the sale on this one as well. Oh well...
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 31, 2013, 06:13:19 PM
Although disappointing, not too worried about the delay in receiving my keys. I got it for a very cheap price so I can wait a day or two, especially since I don't have time to play anyway:)
Ok I lied:). Even though likely wont be a good game, now I have time to play but still have t received my key from green gaming. Looks like they are off my list of purchase sites in the future.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on February 01, 2013, 06:35:59 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 31, 2013, 06:13:19 PM
Although disappointing, not too worried about the delay in receiving my keys. I got it for a very cheap price so I can wait a day or two, especially since I don't have time to play anyway:)
Ok I lied:). Even though likely wont be a good game, now I have time to play but still have t received my key from green gaming. Looks like they are off my list of purchase sites in the future.
I'm actually thinking about emailing for a refund. This is getting pretty ridiculous, given it is now over 24 hours.
It sort of sucks, because I also ordered Tomb Raider from them, because of a decent deal. Now I'm scared they will pull this again.
Quote from: son_of_montfort on February 01, 2013, 11:47:34 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on February 01, 2013, 06:35:59 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 31, 2013, 06:13:19 PM
Although disappointing, not too worried about the delay in receiving my keys. I got it for a very cheap price so I can wait a day or two, especially since I don't have time to play anyway:)
Ok I lied:). Even though likely wont be a good game, now I have time to play but still have t received my key from green gaming. Looks like they are off my list of purchase sites in the future.
I'm actually thinking about emailing for a refund. This is getting pretty ridiculous, given it is now over 24 hours.
It sort of sucks, because I also ordered Tomb Raider from them, because of a decent deal. Now I'm scared they will pull this again.
Me too.....you just need to submit a ticket and one of the options is to get a refund. I have opened a ticket about my issue and they just keep telling me it will be available "soon". I have a feeling they pulled a little bait and switch. Offered a really good discount to get me to buy, but didn't have the means to deliver on release day, which defeats the purpose of a pre-order. It makes zero sense how they could run out of keys for pre orders since they should have had a pretty accurate count of how many were needed so something doesn't seem real honest here. It also made us miss other game site's pre order discounts since we put faith in that they would deliver. So I think I will give them until I wake up tomorrow to come through, otherwise will likely start the process of a refund.
There is no doubt they are completely off my list from a pre-order perspective until they earn my business back......and I am not sure I'll even trust them for current games either, nor want to continue investing in them after this incident. Its one thing for them to possibly make a mistake, but they have been completely silent on the issue except for one message or so. I believe in their forums they tried to say this issue was only impacting 15 or so customers, which I don't believe that for a second. They also made it clear that there will be no compensation for this mistake.
There are way more than 15 players effected, at least from what I see in various forums. I submitted a refund ticket, but I have no idea if they will honor my request (they should, considering it is a pre-order that has not been fulfilled). I am going to stick with them for Tomb Raider, because the deal was not big enough to merit a huge run on keys (I would hope).
If TGB had come in here raving about the quality of the game and how fun it was, I would be more content to wait. But sitting idly by while they sit on my money for a game that is only mediocre seems silly.
Quote from: son_of_montfort on February 02, 2013, 01:04:28 AM
There are way more than 15 players effected, at least from what I see in various forums. I submitted a refund ticket, but I have no idea if they will honor my request (they should, considering it is a pre-order that has not been fulfilled). I am going to stick with them for Tomb Raider, because the deal was not big enough to merit a huge run on keys (I would hope).
If TGB had come in here raving about the quality of the game and how fun it was, I would be more content to wait. But sitting idly by while they sit on my money for a game that is only mediocre seems silly.
My key arrived over night. Although glad it came, the experience still leaves a bad taste and still won't pre order from them again.
It is probably just me, but so far I think the game is OK. I haven't got far yet, but have been in a number of tactical battles. I am not an expert in these types of games, but have found the battles entertaining. Not sure if overly realistic, meaning it seems like I can shoot someone 3 times at close range and they are still standing, but fun nonetheless. I haven't dug deep into the stats and all that, so maybe there are reasons I am not always inflicting maximum damage when even close. On the surface, I think $40 would be a little high for this game, but I think I'll get my $23 out of it in the end. Certainly if your an extreme detail oriented person, maybe it may seem a little easy, but for casual people like myself, I am sure it will challenge me:)
Quote from: Steelgrave on January 31, 2013, 01:28:54 PM
Quote from: son_of_montfort on January 31, 2013, 01:06:14 PM
It hasn't yet opened up on Steam (they still give one hour), so I don't think anyone can play it yet. Hopefully it will rectify pretty quickly.
EDIT: And after I say that, they switch it on. Strange.
It's because they follow every word written on Grogheads with an almost religious fervor. And you're their Gaming God!
Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.............................................
We are the Groginati.
As foretold by the prophecy.
Quote from: LongBlade on February 02, 2013, 05:15:52 PM
Quote from: Steelgrave on January 31, 2013, 01:28:54 PM
Quote from: son_of_montfort on January 31, 2013, 01:06:14 PM
It hasn't yet opened up on Steam (they still give one hour), so I don't think anyone can play it yet. Hopefully it will rectify pretty quickly.
EDIT: And after I say that, they switch it on. Strange.
It's because they follow every word written on Grogheads with an almost religious fervor. And you're their Gaming God!
Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.............................................
We are the Groginati.
As foretold by the prophecy.
I've uttered quite a few prophecies myself, nestled in a bar at 2am. I'm kinda hit and miss with those.
I have to admit I stumbled into an interesting and enjoyable tactical mission. I set out to rob a bank, but at the squad assignment screen I got a message telling me another gang was already in the midst of robbing it and shooting it out with the police.
My simple bank robbery turned into a timed mission where I had to grab some money and get the hell out of there before the feds arrived, all the time shooting it out with the other gang and the cops (who were still fighting each other).
It was tense and exciting, and my only complaint is that the game never told me exactly how much time I had to get it done.
Quote from: tgb on February 02, 2013, 07:43:09 PM
I have to admit I stumbled into an interesting and enjoyable tactical mission. I set out to rob a bank, but at the squad assignment screen I got a message telling me another gang was already in the midst of robbing it and shooting it out with the police.
My simple bank robbery turned into a timed mission where I had to grab some money and get the hell out of there before the feds arrived, all the time shooting it out with the other gang and the cops (who were still fighting each other).
It was tense and exciting, and my only complaint is that the game never told me exactly how much time I had to get it done.
Hey TGB, have you found a user manual for this game? I couldn't find one. If not, do you know what the difficulty settings represent in the game? I know you can choose between easy and harder levels, but couldn't find info as to what impacts the level had on the game. Just curious, what level you playing on? I am only on easy so far and I have been killed plenty of times:)
If anyone here is interested, I have a key for Omerta that I can sell for $26. PM me if interested and we can do a Paypal thing. I only have one, so it goes to the first caller.
No manual that I can see. I'm playing on "Normal" difficulty, whatever that means.
Quote from: tgb on February 03, 2013, 07:16:28 AM
No manual that I can see. I'm playing on "Normal" difficulty, whatever that means.
Thanks....really wish these developers would be on the hook for some level of documentation. First they take away the physical manuals, now they don't even include an electronic manual. They seem to think their included tutorials tell enough about the mechanics of the game, which is not true in my opinion. For all I know, I could be missing out on some important parts of the game:(
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on February 03, 2013, 08:13:26 AM
Quote from: tgb on February 03, 2013, 07:16:28 AM
No manual that I can see. I'm playing on "Normal" difficulty, whatever that means.
Thanks....really wish these developers would be on the hook for some level of documentation. First they take away the physical manuals, now they don't even include an electronic manual. They seem to think their included tutorials tell enough about the mechanics of the game, which is not true in my opinion. For all I know, I could be missing out on some important parts of the game:(
In fairness the Help menu has a lot of information on traits and perks, plus there are tooltips for almost everything.
Quote from: tgb on February 03, 2013, 09:59:15 AM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on February 03, 2013, 08:13:26 AM
Quote from: tgb on February 03, 2013, 07:16:28 AM
No manual that I can see. I'm playing on "Normal" difficulty, whatever that means.
Thanks....really wish these developers would be on the hook for some level of documentation. First they take away the physical manuals, now they don't even include an electronic manual. They seem to think their included tutorials tell enough about the mechanics of the game, which is not true in my opinion. For all I know, I could be missing out on some important parts of the game:(
In fairness the Help menu has a lot of information on traits and perks, plus there are tooltips for almost everything.
That is true....but would still be nice for an overall manual that can pull all the elements together, but your right they are helpful on an individual basis.
Did any of you guys read the Eurogamer review (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-31-omerta-city-of-gangsters-review) of this game? They make it sound appalling!