Trailer for new Godzilla moving coming out in 2014
Huh.
I actually felt a little shiver of anticipation when I heard the Godzilla bellow at the end of the clip. I hope it won't be in vain...
BTW, was that David Strathairn who was giving the pep talk?
I'd like to think this will be good, but I have two reservations.
1. That godawful mess that was crapped out the last time Hollywood tried to do Godzilla.
2. At the 1:42 mark, is that Shia LaBeouf?
Quote from: Arctic Blast on December 10, 2013, 08:42:28 PM
... At the 1:42 mark, is that Shia LaBeouf?
He's not ion the IMDB listing... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0831387/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast
... But Bryan Cranston and Ken Watanabe are! And I was right about David Strathairn as well.
Cast looks great. Not overly impressed by the trailer however.
I liked the trailer. That being said, my expectations were VERY low.
Quote from: Arctic Blast on December 10, 2013, 08:42:28 PM
I'd like to think this will be good, but I have two reservations.
1. That godawful mess that was crapped out the last time Hollywood tried to do Godzilla.
Not to mention the abomination of Puff Daddy or Puffy or Daddy or Sean Jean or WTF he's calling himself these days' cover of Kashmir. (Shudder)
Too many things to count for that pile of crap of a movie.
Quote from: Arctic Blast
2. At the 1:42 mark, is that Shia LaBeouf?
Jesus, I hope not. I just finished geeking out over a fourth Transformers movie WITH NO SHIA in it.
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on December 11, 2013, 11:55:10 AM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on December 10, 2013, 08:42:28 PM
I'd like to think this will be good, but I have two reservations.
1. That godawful mess that was crapped out the last time Hollywood tried to do Godzilla.
Not to mention the abomination of Puff Daddy or Puffy or Daddy or Sean Jean or WTF he's calling himself these days' cover of Kashmir. (Shudder)
Too many things to count for that pile of crap of a movie.
Quote from: Arctic Blast
2. At the 1:42 mark, is that Shia LaBeouf?
Jesus, I hope not. I just finished geeking out over a fourth Transformers movie WITH NO SHIA in it.
Kashmir without Plant & Page is an abomination!
So exactly what does Godzilla have against public transportation anyway ;D That cat sees a train, the train is gone. Maybe Santa should have gotten him a train set for Christmas one year.
My expectations are low, but that's never stopped me from enjoying Godzilla in the past. Bring it on.
I'd like him to win this time.
Quote from: Steelgrave on December 11, 2013, 06:00:26 PM
So exactly what does Godzilla have against public transportation anyway ;D That cat sees a train, the train is gone. Maybe Santa should have gotten him a train set for Christmas one year.
My expectations are low, but that's never stopped me from enjoying Godzilla in the past. Bring it on.
once in a while Encore will have a Japanese Godzilla marathon on. lots of fun!
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on December 11, 2013, 06:03:09 PM
Quote from: Steelgrave on December 11, 2013, 06:00:26 PM
So exactly what does Godzilla have against public transportation anyway ;D That cat sees a train, the train is gone. Maybe Santa should have gotten him a train set for Christmas one year.
My expectations are low, but that's never stopped me from enjoying Godzilla in the past. Bring it on.
once in a while Encore will have a Japanese Godzilla marathon on. lots of fun!
When I was a kid, my big treat was going to the matinee on Saturday and catching a double feature. Godzilla vs. King Kong. Godzilla vs. The Smog Creature. Godzilla vs. who really cares? I watched so many Godzilla movies I'm surprised I don't still slur my "z"s and "r"s.
Good times.
Quote from: Staggerwing on December 11, 2013, 06:51:17 PM
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on December 11, 2013, 06:00:56 PM
I'd like him to win this time.
LOL +1
+2 Let him stomp the shit out of Washington D.C.
Working title, "Godzilla vs Congress". Instant Blockbuster.
Bring back Ultraman for a summer blockbuster!
Well maybe without the go-go music...
SPOILER ALERT!!!
The ending has already been leaked...
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FIDHSKra.gif&hash=be8c4fa0ec20f1837855388bed2ba61921e55cd2)
Quote from: mirth on December 11, 2013, 07:53:22 PM
SPOILER ALERT!!!
The ending has already been leaked...
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FIDHSKra.gif&hash=be8c4fa0ec20f1837855388bed2ba61921e55cd2)
I think I saw that one in a Saturday matinee too 8)
I thought that was Mirth on a Saturday morning.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on December 11, 2013, 08:27:01 PM
I thought that was Mirth on a Saturday morning.
That footage can't be shown in public.
You mean the humping the volcano part?
the waking up alone part.
I thought he'd wake up alone because he told a woman to go fix him a sandwich in the morning.
That would be pronounced 'Sammich' in Maineubonics.
^Ha, I ALMOST spelled it that way, too. :D
but you arent man enough to?
Sammich
San'wich
Sanny'wich
San'FUCKIN'wich
I got my balls out of my wife's purse this morning when she wasn't looking. ;D
This is looking pretty good.
Yeah, hopefully that trailer wasn't all the good parts.
I believe in GodzillaToho Productions version and only Godzilla. There is no Godzilla other than GodzillaToho Productions.
That being said I'll probably go see this new movie by Horrywood but I will most likely be cringing in my seat throughout the event.
Now for my tribute to the greatest composer of Godzilla music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDeU42u2s2Y
Sorry for the link but YouTube has disabled embedding. This is the main title theme to the 1954 classic.
The difference is that this film is made by dedicated fans of Toho Godzilla, instead of Roland Emmerich & Co.
Speaking as someone who owns every Godzilla movie from the three series on DVD (along with all the various comic series fwiw), I'm reasonably hopeful. Toho has set aside intentions to do another Godzilla reboot series for this purpose, so they clearly have confidence in it. My only worry so far is that someone prominently stamped a colorful stylized Godzilla logo on an old-style atomic bomb, which while that's quite Tohoish (especially by the standards of their 2nd and 3rd series) doesn't fit the rest of the tone of the trailer at all. I'm hoping this represents an attempt at the end of the movie to fight Godzilla, rather than something that purportedly happened in the 50s (where part of the plot is certainly set).
The guy who looks like Shia, by the way, is not Shia, but Aaron Taylor-Johnson who is playing Pietro Maximoff/Quicksilver in the upcoming Avengers 2 (not the X-Men version). The blonde girl is Elizabeth Olsen who will be playing QS's sister Wanda Maximoff/Scarlet Witch in the same movie; oddly I think she's the boy soldier's love interest here. Cue the terrible more-or-less official incestuous crack-fics. :P
I think I was able to embed the Ifukube video, btw.
Quote from: JasonPratt on February 26, 2014, 01:33:54 PMMy only worry so far is that someone prominently stamped a colorful stylized Godzilla logo on an old-style atomic bomb, which while that's quite Tohoish (especially by the standards of their 2nd and 3rd series) doesn't fit the rest of the tone of the trailer at all. I'm hoping this represents an attempt at the end of the movie to fight Godzilla, rather than something that purportedly happened in the 50s (where part of the plot is certainly set).
I took that scene to mean what it said, in that the South Pacific nuke tests were not tests, but attempts to stop/kill either Godzilla or one of his kind.
Quote from: OJsDad on February 26, 2014, 03:28:39 PM
Quote from: JasonPratt on February 26, 2014, 01:33:54 PMMy only worry so far is that someone prominently stamped a colorful stylized Godzilla logo on an old-style atomic bomb, which while that's quite Tohoish (especially by the standards of their 2nd and 3rd series) doesn't fit the rest of the tone of the trailer at all. I'm hoping this represents an attempt at the end of the movie to fight Godzilla, rather than something that purportedly happened in the 50s (where part of the plot is certainly set).
I took that scene to mean what it said, in that the South Pacific nuke tests were not tests, but attempts to stop/kill either Godzilla or one of his kind.
Me too. But that Godzilla destroyed the Vegas Strip is going too far, dammit!
Quote from: Centurion40 on February 26, 2014, 03:38:04 PM
Quote from: OJsDad on February 26, 2014, 03:28:39 PM
Quote from: JasonPratt on February 26, 2014, 01:33:54 PMMy only worry so far is that someone prominently stamped a colorful stylized Godzilla logo on an old-style atomic bomb, which while that's quite Tohoish (especially by the standards of their 2nd and 3rd series) doesn't fit the rest of the tone of the trailer at all. I'm hoping this represents an attempt at the end of the movie to fight Godzilla, rather than something that purportedly happened in the 50s (where part of the plot is certainly set).
I took that scene to mean what it said, in that the South Pacific nuke tests were not tests, but attempts to stop/kill either Godzilla or one of his kind.
Me too. But that Godzilla destroyed the Vegas Strip is going too far, dammit!
Did you notice from the clip, that it looks like a beat up Statue of Liberty is sitting in LA.
No. I just assumed that it was the statue in from of the New York, New York Hotel/casino on the Vegas Strip.
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F1%2F16%2FLas_Vegas_NY_NY_Hotel.jpg&hash=af4421e7afff42c19c87ab6df4290ffbe2d096d9)
Quote from: OJsDad on February 26, 2014, 03:28:39 PM
Quote from: JasonPratt on February 26, 2014, 01:33:54 PMMy only worry so far is that someone prominently stamped a colorful stylized Godzilla logo on an old-style atomic bomb, which while that's quite Tohoish (especially by the standards of their 2nd and 3rd series) doesn't fit the rest of the tone of the trailer at all. I'm hoping this represents an attempt at the end of the movie to fight Godzilla, rather than something that purportedly happened in the 50s (where part of the plot is certainly set).
I took that scene to mean what it said, in that the South Pacific nuke tests were not tests, but attempts to stop/kill either Godzilla or one of his kind.
Yeah, that was what I got from it too.
^^ If so (and I agree some of the evidence points that way, but not all of it), that's what would bother me. That little stylized logo seems like something a modern person would do.
Extra evidence pointing to that being the 50s: Ken Watanabe is looking at a grainy b/w photo of Godzilla's back rising out of the water, in what seems intended to be the same scene shown in color-life during the trailer. In the foreground, the little bomb tower can be seen (at least in the color-real-life shot) as Godzilla's back rises up in the background. (This is also part of a series of linked trailer footage culminating in a nuclear explosion -- I presume in any case Godzilla is missing due to fx not being shown yet -- with the voiceover talking about the tests not being tests. Weird that this would be plural, though... how many "tests" did they have to pull anyway??)
Evidence pointing to the bomb being modern-day: the stylized logo on the bomb, and the super-large size of Godzilla's back.
Bear with me a moment on this.
We know from leaked production/promotional information that Godzilla grows in size from 120 to 150 meters during the film. This could be explained any of a number of ways of course. However, many of the poster-promo shots show Godzilla being vastly much taller than the 230 meters of a San Francisco landmark. Yet many of the in-footage shots seem to indicate he isn't quite that tall either.
Normally I would dismiss that as classic poster-art magnification, except that some in-footage shots being released (including one based on a promotional painting) suggest a Godzilla much more on the scale of the super-huge poster shots.
Note that some of the new footage shows scientists wandering down a line of bones and between teeth of a pretty standard Godzilla-sized kaiju -- which from the alignment of the bones is most likely the original Godzilla anyway (the present-day reptile being a child). This creature is VERY MUCH SMALLER than whatever is shrugging off destroyers, or rising up out of the background atoll lagoon next to the old-style nuke tower. Those trees on the spit of land next to the tower would be 5 to 15 meters tall themselves: the backspines BY THEMSELVES look ten times bigger than that.
It's possible of course that whoever did the fx simply couldn't keep the computer gfx in proper scale from sequence to sequence -- although that would be weirdly incompetent for a big-budget movie after literally decades of CGI industry experience on this topic (is this movie really less capable at keeping scale for its dinosaurs than the first Jurassic Park movie?? After the same studio produced Pacific Rim just recently??) -- but it seems strange to me, that the larger fx in the footage match pretty well with the scale hinted at on the posters.
Stumbled across this article. Thought it was funny and interesting:
The Science of Godzilla (http://www.apeculture.com/movies/godzilla.htm)
QuoteStill, what would happen if a 100-meter tall "dinosaur" stepped out of the sea and went on a rampage? I predict it would be a very short rampage. Short as in milliseconds.
Interesting stuff. Guess I can stop fretting about that particular disaster. ;D
Is that the whole twice the size means 4 times the volume and 8 times the mass thing?
Quote from: Staggerwing on February 26, 2014, 10:23:58 PM
Is that the whole twice the size means 4 times the volume and 8 times the mass thing?
Pretty much:
QuoteSo, as things get bigger, their weight (which is a function of their volume) increases dramatically faster than does their surface area. This has a number of important consequences. Not least of these is that if you double something's size and keep its proportions the same, its weight doesn't double or even quadruple – it increases by a factor of eight!
So, an animal the size of Godzilla would weigh something like 60,000 tons! That's actually a rather conservative estimate. In any event, you're talking about an animal that literally weighs as much as a battleship. What would happen to a battleship if you could take it out of the water that supports it and stand it on its stern? Within a few seconds' time, you'd have a very large pile of scrap metal – that's what would happen!
I don't care if Godzilla's skeleton is made of solid titanium – the instant he steps out of the water, it's going to collapse under his enormous weight. So, downtown Tokyo is quite safe, though they might have a rather large mess to clean up in the harbour.
Good article Rooks. This part of the piece sums up exactly how I feel about this whole Hollywood Godzilla:
Quote"Sure, they're ridiculous, but that's part of the fun! The Japanese understand this, but the people who made the recent American "Godzilla" – you know, the one with Ferris Bueller pretending to be a scientist – apparently didn't get the memo."
What's also odd is the weak attempts that the American version of godzilla movies make in trying to "feel Japanese" by inserting some random old Japanese guy from New York City shining a lighter in his face and watching him babble 'Gojira' over and over again. ::)
Quote from: JasonPratt on February 26, 2014, 07:50:16 PM
We know from leaked production/promotional information that Godzilla grows in size from 120 to 150 meters during the film. This could be explained any of a number of ways of course.
Clearly he gobbled down every buffet on the Vegas Strip. This can explain it.
Considering the obesity rate of Americans, the "buffet" is likely highly fattening to the giant lizard crowd.
Quote from: Centurion40 on February 27, 2014, 11:15:40 AM
Quote from: JasonPratt on February 26, 2014, 07:50:16 PM
We know from leaked production/promotional information that Godzilla grows in size from 120 to 150 meters during the film. This could be explained any of a number of ways of course.
Clearly he gobbled down every buffet on the Vegas Strip. This can explain it.
That might explain how the MUTOs get so big -- the Vegas damage is almost certainly from one or more of them. (From various leaked plot/trailer details we know the military was hiding them in an underground bunker in the desert and they escape, meeting Godzilla in San Francisco.)
Also, freeze-frame enthusiasts found what looks a lot like Mothra's twin fairies (except human size) watching over the Vegas destruction aftermath from the corner room of a damaged building. I don't know whether those are intended to be the Cosmos/Shobijin, but if so it's likely an Easter Egg hidden by the fx team rather than a part of the actual plot.
Lots of nostalgic stuff coming out (pic from here (http://www.scified.com/site/godzillamovies/all-the-new-godzilla-2014-images-revealed-in-empire-magazines-latest-issue)):
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3738/12829052473_30b14b6eab_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/41388267@N07/12829052473/)
godzilla-size-matters (http://www.flickr.com/photos/41388267@N07/12829052473/) by RooksBailey (http://www.flickr.com/people/41388267@N07/), on Flickr
I've seen something like that before, but I prefer this one -- and for including the HB animated Godzilla! The Marvel Godzilla however ought to be included, too. (Based on human scale I'd guess around the size of the HBG -- though the animated version was often way off model due to shoddy animation.)
Update: I just realized this was actually drawn by Rooks!? (https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wargamer.com%2Fforums%2Fsmiley%2Fbow.gif&hash=8a2d5d1ac5e4a22b632ffa7e10a8fbd9413a12c8) (But the Legendary Godzilla should be 120 to 150 meters, not 100.)
I was surprised when I saw the first version of the chart at how 'small' the main MilZilla model was (and at how large the Final Wars movie version was), but on reflection that makes sense: every movie in the Millennium series was intended to be a one-shot sequel to the original film, with two important exceptions: Tokyo SOS, which was the only true sequel to a Millennium entry (namely GvsMechaG3) and which literally featured the ghost of the original film's Godzilla haunting his original bones (and by implication being forced to fight what should have been his or her mate); and Final Wars, which has its own one-movie canon but which was originally intended to be a followup to the final Heisei movie (Godzilla vs the Destroyer, to use its non-trademarky title ;) ) and thus to feature the grown son of Godzilla (thus the similar scale).
This by the way explains the asterisks, the information of which is missing in the screencap provided by Rooks: the first asterisk would say something like "not counting Final Wars" and the second would say something like "plus Final Wars".
Incidentally, the other Millennium film not to use a version of the standard Millennium design was GMK: Giant Monsters All-out Attack; but its suit still looks built to the scale of the original film, since its theory is that Godzilla is (including the original movie) the zombie of a dead dinosaur brought to life not only by H-bomb radiation but by the vengeful ghosts of all the soldiers and civilians killed by the Japanese military in World War 2! (This being Japan, the vengeful ghosts are super-evil spirits, of course.)
Some other bits of trivia: Toho seems to have upscaled Sony's "Zilla" for his appearance in Final Wars, so that the "true" Godzilla wouldn't overshadow him in size so much -- but all the other monsters are upgraded in size by proportion, too, for the same reason. (Doesn't matter as Godzilla quickly kills most of them once he's on the move and in their areas, which is one of the several annoying things about the film -- despite its promise it's barely about GvsMonster fights.)
The 1984 second series reboot/sequel to the first movie, features a Godzilla which is much larger than the original but is ambiguous about whether this is the original upgraded or (as in the original Showa series itself!) just another creature of the same sort which happens to be larger. This is eventually sort-of explained by the Heisei series third movie, GvsKGhid, which hints that the original Showa timeline was altered by time travel to not only create the larger Godzilla (still possibly not the Godzilla of the original movie) but the Heisei film series continuity itself. (The time-travel plot mechanics are rather sloppy so don't work out neatly, unfortunately, but it was a noble effort.)
Quote from: JasonPratt on February 27, 2014, 02:06:46 PM
Also, freeze-frame enthusiasts found what looks a lot like Mothra's twin fairies (except human size) watching over the Vegas destruction aftermath from the corner room of a damaged building. I don't know whether those are intended to be the Cosmos/Shobijin, but if so it's likely an Easter Egg hidden by the fx team rather than a part of the actual plot.
YES!!!
Quote from: JasonPratt on February 28, 2014, 08:40:52 AMUpdate: I just realized this was actually drawn by Rooks!? (https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wargamer.com%2Fforums%2Fsmiley%2Fbow.gif&hash=8a2d5d1ac5e4a22b632ffa7e10a8fbd9413a12c8) (But the Legendary Godzilla should be 120 to 150 meters, not 100.)
Me? I didn't draw this. Found it on the linked website: http://www.scified.com/site/godzillamovies/all-the-new-godzilla-2014-images-revealed-in-empire-magazines-latest-issue
But I did draw this one:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3804/12842582133_fdd9aa2728_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/41388267@N07/12842582133/)
goz (http://www.flickr.com/photos/41388267@N07/12842582133/) by RooksBailey (http://www.flickr.com/people/41388267@N07/), on Flickr
I prefer mine.
A scene by scene commentary of the trailer by the director (sorry for the weird link, the only one I could find):
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid96976187001?bckey=AQ~~,AAAAAB1-JM0~,FkO2We_lk8Oyb_XuMTA4BVHHE3Iac6Ve&bctid=3269756895001
Also, some impressions from a Hamburg screening:
http://www.godzilla-movies.com/news/1608
Thoughts on the director's commentary and the German report:
** Well, I think we can say with some assurance that the shots we've been seeing of Brody's wife (I wonder if "Brody" is a Jaws homage...) being sealed behind the door, is her death in the opening scenes of the film. ("Not what you'd normally expect from an epic action movie" this scene, so early in the movie. Goodbye Juliet Binoche, we hardly knew ye.)
** Gareth Edwards basically confirms the icon on the bomb is from the 50s. Eh, okay, it looks more ad hoc when I see it close up in HD, I can live with it.
** Also confirms multiple "tests" trying to kill "something" (i.e. Godzilla) with the bombs. This makes not much sense to me -- those "tests" took a lot of time to set up, and were set up in different ways. Waiving that aside, the implication would be that since the bombs had to keep getting bigger G's size really might be as enormous as the posters are showing after all. But that doesn't fit the scale of many of the shots we've seen; but then some of the shots (such as the bomb explosion) DO fit the super-large 400 meter scale -- also, it doesn't make much sense for something less large than that to call for increasingly larger nuclear "tests" (or even one) to stop it.
So are we going to get a Gorgo here?
** Not a tentacle holding a bomb; and the way GE talks about it, it's neither a tentacle nor a bomb.
** Looking at the footage in closeup, I'm increasingly sure we're seeing one of the foe monsters diving out of the clouds before it hits the water (though whether the two shots are that closely linked I don't know. Probably those shots are closely connected to the shots with planes being knocked out of the air above the low-hanging SanFran cloud cover. If so, then one of the Mutos looks rather like Rodan from a distance or from various angles.
** A piece of the flying/diving creature looks to be falling off it (an insect-leg looking piece) just as it finishes the dive. So it was wounded fighting the planes.
** Going back to the question of scale from the posters for a moment: the humped back next to the bomb tower looks superlarge, but there is no sfx of Godzilla near the bomb when it goes off -- as often happens partial sfx are used in a movie for trailers, and we can see some of that in earlier trailers when planes are being tossed around by Mutos outside a terminal window but no Mutos. Consequently, the final shot in the film where the halo jumpers are coming down might in fact not be much different than what's shown concerning the same shot in the poster -- we just aren't seeing Godzilla composited in yet.
On the other hand, the earlier trailer indicates the jumpers only see G in the ruin as they finish descending, not towering so hugely over the city, so that's definite evidence against them jumping near such a superlarge animal as in the poster. Or next to the bomb. Or under the destroyers. (Note that the Heisei Godzilla was about as long as a modern destroyer, so the animal in the trailer is shrugging off several Heisei-Godzilla sized items in effect.)
** "If there was a giant creature, how did it get here, has it always been here, ARE THERE OTHERS, y'know? [...] A question we address in the movie." I'd say this is very strong confirmation there are multiple Godzillas in the movie (which is actually a staple of the previous three series), particularly since he says this while paused on the shot with Ken Watanabe standing in the long G-shaped skeleton, something GE describes as a "puzzle for the fans".
** The flying Muto is definitely flapping around over the bridge (as some sharp-eyed watchers have suggested) in the second shot of planes falling out of the sky (which seems very likely to be a bit earlier than a couple of other shots from this sequence). Again, from a distance it looks rather like Rodan with a longer tail.
That being said, I'm sure I've read somewhere that Toho has denied licensing any other monsters from the stable for this film -- though you can bet they'll license the new monsters pronto. ;)
** The roar definitely incorporates, and may even be built on, sound guys experimenting with the rosined leather glove on the double-bass A string.
Quote from: RooksBailey on February 28, 2014, 05:10:41 PM
Quote from: JasonPratt on February 28, 2014, 08:40:52 AMUpdate: I just realized this was actually drawn by Rooks!? (https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wargamer.com%2Fforums%2Fsmiley%2Fbow.gif&hash=8a2d5d1ac5e4a22b632ffa7e10a8fbd9413a12c8) (But the Legendary Godzilla should be 120 to 150 meters, not 100.)
Me? I didn't draw this. Found it on the linked website: http://www.scified.com/site/godzillamovies/all-the-new-godzilla-2014-images-revealed-in-empire-magazines-latest-issue
But I did draw this one:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3804/12842582133_fdd9aa2728_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/41388267@N07/12842582133/)
goz (http://www.flickr.com/photos/41388267@N07/12842582133/) by RooksBailey (http://www.flickr.com/people/41388267@N07/), on Flickr
I prefer mine.
What's up with the 3 turds on fire?
Quote from: mirth on March 01, 2014, 01:46:46 AMWhat's up with the 3 turds on fire?
I'll have you know that the Museum of Modern Art has already made me three offers! :P : ;D
the nerd is strong in this thread.
very strong.
Star has put Kumonga in his sig, in honor of this thread! 8)
Muto toy unveiled. It looks almost robotic:
http://www.godzilla-movies.com/community/forums/topic/32130
Three comments:
1.) while the helicopter isn't to proper scale with the destroyer, the destroyer seems to be at the scale of destroyers in the film footage to Godzilla, allowing for a handy (if inadvertent) comparison. No way such a creature is "only" 150 meters tall.
2.) the toy model has a much more defined and properly classic three-row of fins on the back, compared to what we've seen from the footage so far (where the shard-fins look scattered more like GINO/Zilla's.)
3.) that Muto is straight up A GENESTEALER FROM THE TYRANNID FLEET!!
Godzilla 2: Tyrannid Annihilation Strategy All Out Attack ;D
Latest international trailer was released last week and gives some clues of the epic monster fights we can expect
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Godzilla-Gets-His-Close-Up-Brand-International-Trailer-42772.html
thats all kinds of goodness!
Why doesn't Godzilla have a penis? Or is he a She-zilla? ::)
youre obviously not very familiar with reptiles.
Quote from: Sir Slash on May 03, 2014, 10:33:38 PM
Why doesn't Godzilla have a penis? Or is he a She-zilla? ::)
Reptiles keep their junk in the toolbox until needed.
Actually, Godzilla could reproduce parthenogenetically (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis#Reptiles). Though somewhat rare, there is precedent for it among reptiles. And it could be a useful plot device for future movies, especially when 'Son of Godzilla' happens along.
So as long as no Mrs.Godzilla shows up, no junk shows up. I can live with that. I thought that was why he was so angry all the time and destroying Tokyo. Cause he had no junk. Now I know King Kong had a pair but kept them hidden behind the Empire State Building-- a true gentleman.
I have to admit I am looking forward to this movie. As a kid, I loved Godzilla and watched them all. It's pretty stupid stuff, granted, but ya like what ya like. I hope they do a great job with it.
I have Friday 5/16 off. I well be seeing Godzilla that day. As long as it doesn't suck like Prometheus did, I will be pleased.
if you have it the Encore channel often does back to back Toho movies.
"Let them fight."
Nuff said.
Quote from: mirth on May 04, 2014, 10:03:53 PM
I have Friday 5/16 off. I well be seeing Godzilla that day. As long as it doesn't suck like Prometheus did, I will be pleased.
If anything I ever see sucks as bad as Prometheus did, I may put my eyes out.....
Quote from: Steelgrave on May 04, 2014, 10:02:44 PM
I have to admit I am looking forward to this movie. As a kid, I loved Godzilla and watched them all. It's pretty stupid stuff, granted, but ya like what ya like. I hope they do a great job with it.
Ditto. As I was watching Spiderman, this weekend, all I could think was "At least Godzilla is coming out later this month!".
32 stills from the up coming movie.
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3371683328/rg1089379072?ref_=rgmd_md_pv
I have a suspicion the writers back-doored Rodan into the plot after all, in case they never get official permission from Toho to use the rest of the monster stable. The flying Muto looks more and more like Rodan (or maybe rather the Gyaos from the Gamera series) with each passing scene.
At this point I've stopped watching trailers as I can almost watch the movie in my head. :( (And yet I still catch a couple by accident...)
Just watched a commercial for the Fiat 500L that features Godzilla (in a lot of clear shots) EATING CARS with people in them...
...then trying to eat a Fiat 500L fleeing from him, with two families (five people) clearly in it (showing them screaming as they're racing through the wreckage away)...
...he grabs the car, throws it in his mouth, swallows it (WITH THE FAMILY STILL INSIDE!)...
...then pukes it back out and roars in anger as they race away.
Tagline: Fiat 500L, "It's bigger than you think."
What
In
The
Actual
FOXTROT??!?
And yes, someone did already mash this up with 'that scene' from the 98 American Zilla film...
I'm a little surprised I haven't seen other reviews yet (possibly I haven't been looking yet), but I ran across my first one today at Badass Digest:
http://badassdigest.com/2014/05/11/godzilla-2014-movie-review-using-cgi-to-make-man-in-suit/
QuoteIn an ADD world where audiences have been weaned on the hyperactive incoherence of Michael Bay's Transformers films how do you wow them anymore? What does a prehistoric atomic monster like Godzilla have to do to stand out?
Director Gareth Edwards has seen this problem and confronted it in a way that will delight those who revel in the feeling of awe, but will bore those who go to the movies to be beaten into submission by sound and fury. He has made a Godzilla movie that keeps the title character offscreen for much of the running time, revealing him largely in pieces - a thrashing tail, a stomping foot, a spiky back swimming inexorably across the Pacific. And when the King of the Monsters - crowned as such in this film! - does really make his full appearance Edwards gives us a sense of scale, an understanding of his size and, as such, a true feeling of awe.
Drew McWeeney (aka Moriarty from AICN): http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/review-beautiful-and-badass-godzilla-puts-the-awe-back-in-awesome
He also has the new X-film reviewed already, just as good.
Luke Thompson's review for Topless Robot: http://www.toplessrobot.com/2014/05/tr_review_godzilla_is_back_big-time.php
QuoteNothing like having foreigners lecture us on an issue as complex as illegal immigration by just flat-out implying it's all our fault, and with Godzilla also historically being a political parable, there was every reason to fear Edwards could drop the ball there too.
Fortunately, that didn't happen. Instead, Edwards has somehow morphed into the best directorial impersonation of a young Steven Spielberg I think I've ever seen.
ScreenCrush, 9/10: http://screencrush.com/godzilla-review/
Finally for tonight, what's up at AICN itself already, grouped together.
Nordling's review: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/67311
QuoteIf anything else, GODZILLA really illuminates how disastrous Roland Emmerich's GODZILLA really was, which was a fundamental misunderstanding of Godzilla on every level. The elegiac tone of the trailers, for once, thematically conceals what GODZILLA really is, and at its best, GODZILLA is about as Saturday morning as it gets. Edwards takes great joy in showing the power of his monsters, and that joy is infectious.
Quint's review: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/67271
QuoteThe short version: they got the monsters right. Hoo boy, did they get the monsters right. Godzilla himself is treated with the awe he deserves. All aspects of his design (look and sound) are perfect and Gareth Edwards teases him so hardcore that when the big payoff happens it's epic and crazy and fun. [...] [D]espite some of my complaints with the writing of the human characters, I want to be clear that this isn't just some big effects extravaganza... I mean, it is that, but there's a visual storytelling element that is very specific and guided by a singular voice. This isn't Emmerich's Godzilla just trying to give the audience spectacle. The human characters aren't goofy and stupid like in the '98 film, they're just not as fleshed out as they could have been.
To be clear, all reviewers are saying much the same thing about the human elements. And that's okay with me. I was more worried from the pre-release materials that the human characters would gum up the works.
Another quote from Quint's review:
QuoteI ended up talking with producer Thomas Tull and while I was thanking him for helping me out with the tickets a Japanese man came up and Tull immediately looked nervous. "So, what did you think?" The man answered that he and his colleagues were amazed with the movie and couldn't believe how perfectly Godzilla was captured. "This is the Godzilla from my childhood." He said this with a hand over his heart, I swear to God. Tull looked taken aback, both relieved and amazed at the same time. After the man left, Tull leaned over to me and said, "He's the head of Toho."
No question Toho sounds like they're ready to give Legendary Pictures the keys to the whole Island.
Finally from Big Red Harry himself: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/67288
Thanks, Jason. Those are all well written reviews and they only added to my excitement for seeing Godzilla.
Hmmmm...after reading those articles I'm convinced that there may yet be hope for man. I'll find out Sunday which is when I plan on seeing the movie.
^^ Thematically appropriate. ;D O:-)
Thanks for posting the reviews, Jason. Sounds like I might be checking this out after all.
Nice review from the NYT
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/16/movies/godzilla-grandaddy-of-movie-monsters-stomps-back.html?hpw&rref=movies&_r=0
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That was actually a highly positive review from the Times.
Indeed, but what mystifies me is there's almost always, invariably, some form of hate out there...and there's nothing for this movie that I can see. Very odd.
Not exactly a hater, but MovieBob focuses on the obvious problems with the movie which are kind of mentioned as an aside in other reviews upthread.
i.e., why the hell are we mostly watching boring white American soldier guy and his even more boring wife so much instead of Watanabe and Cranston (whom the marketing rightly sold the movie on); and why is Godzilla "a tertiary character in his own film"?
Because the film's story is really about the MUTO's (also kind of boring and characterless, thus why the movie keeps implicitly teasing about connections to other kaiju like Rodan and the mantis and Mothra etc.). Godzilla's motivations, even when spelled out by Watanabe, boil down to "because he's Godzilla, whooooo kickass!"
Incidentally, all the reviews so far confirm how shockingly wrong-headed on so many levels the Fiat commercial was. The old-school Showa costume commercial with Godzilla bipolaring between chilling with the bros and tantruming the city, are closer in spirit. :-\
Anyway: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/9210-Godzilla-Breaking-Kaiju
(Incidentally 2, if this hasn't become apparent yet, there's no Gorgo-esque surprise Macro-godzilla in the film. Which wouldn't be so bad except that means SOME ACTUAL SHOTS IN THE FILM, not merely a few marketing posters, don't make sense to scale.)
Quote from: mirth on May 15, 2014, 05:21:46 PM
Nice review from the NYT
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/16/movies/godzilla-grandaddy-of-movie-monsters-stomps-back.html?hpw&rref=movies&_r=0
Also a rather more neutral review -- not hater, but definitely zeroing in on similar problems.
Interesting that this is the first I've seen someone say the generic MUTOs (a designation which applies to all kaiju really) are Mosuras -- which is literally the Japanese name for Mothra. (Though they behave more like Gyaoses from the modern Gamera trilogy; with Godzilla in the same role as Gamera for those films, minus the intelligent design agency.)
I'll have more to say perhaps after seeing it (this afternoon hopefully, and/or tomorrow/again.)
IGN seems to call it a 10 at the top of the page, a 9/10 at the bottom, reads more like an 8.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/11/godzilla-review
I might go see this, but if Puff Daddy/Puff Diddy/Puff Whateverthef*ck comes out and starts covering a Led Zep tune in the middle of the movie, I'm outtie and demanding my money back.
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on May 16, 2014, 05:39:37 AM
Indeed, but what mystifies me is there's almost always, invariably, some form of hate out there...and there's nothing for this movie that I can see. Very odd.
One local reviewer on our Phoenix morning news gave it a very negative review while going gaga over two artsy movies I've never heard of. Literally the only negative review I've seen or heard and dismissed immediately in my mind. Like you kids say, haters gonna hate.
Quote from: Steelgrave on May 16, 2014, 03:37:49 PM
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on May 16, 2014, 05:39:37 AM
Indeed, but what mystifies me is there's almost always, invariably, some form of hate out there...and there's nothing for this movie that I can see. Very odd.
One local reviewer on our Phoenix morning news gave it a very negative review while going gaga over two artsy movies I've never heard of. Literally the only negative review I've seen or heard and dismissed immediately in my mind. Like you kids say, haters gonna hate.
I tend to go with the idea that critics are failed artists. I am sure "Escape From New York" did not get any critical aclaim but nonetheless I LOVED IT!! (Snaaaaaaake Plissken. I heard you were dead.)
Quote from: DoctorQuest on May 16, 2014, 03:46:08 PM
Quote from: Steelgrave on May 16, 2014, 03:37:49 PM
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on May 16, 2014, 05:39:37 AM
Indeed, but what mystifies me is there's almost always, invariably, some form of hate out there...and there's nothing for this movie that I can see. Very odd.
One local reviewer on our Phoenix morning news gave it a very negative review while going gaga over two artsy movies I've never heard of. Literally the only negative review I've seen or heard and dismissed immediately in my mind. Like you kids say, haters gonna hate.
I tend to go with the idea that critics are failed artists. I am sure "Escape From New York" did not get any critical aclaim but nonetheless I LOVED IT!! (Snaaaaaaake Plissken. I heard you were dead.)
Agreed. and +1 for weaving Snake Plissken into a thread 8)
Those who can, do.
Those who can't, teach.
Those who have no clue, review.
Uhh...waitasecond...
;)
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on May 16, 2014, 01:07:59 PM
I might go see this, but if Puff Daddy/Puff Diddy/Puff Whateverthef*ck comes out and starts covering a Led Zep tune in the middle of the movie, I'm outtie and demanding my money back.
Agree with you there. What the hell was Page thinking of.
Quote from: bob48 on May 16, 2014, 04:44:45 PM
What the hell was Page thinking of.
Same as every male escort in history: he really needed the money.
Two thumbs up!
Two thumbs sideways. Uh, not in the old original gladiator meaning.
Short review before bed: slightly above average for a Godzilla movie. (And yes, note the qualifier.) I would entertain arguments of it being slightly below average.
This is coming from someone who prefers Godzilla being a hero(ish) figure, by the way, so I assure y'all that wasn't one of my problems. (I understand the Toho chief reported in the thread above: Godzilla has been back to being a serious threat since 1984, and that's a long time with no variation in character.) Nor do I think pacing is the problem exactly, or even focusing on the bland soldier character. There's almost always something MUTO or/and Godzilla related going on. (And yes, notice how I said that.) The film feels sufficiently focused in that regard. For a nearly 2 hour movie, I thought it hadn't quite gotten to 90 minutes, and I mean that as a compliment. When one character leaves the film around the 40 minute mark, I thought less than 30 had gone by. (Checked by clock to be sure.)
I may have more comments tomorrow, a non-spoilery comment and a more spoilery one. (Though pretty much the reviews and trailers spoil anything significant already. I doubt I would have been more impressed, but they don't help. They may actively lead to mood whiplash. For which I have a theory.)
I'll put it this way. If my brother doesn't want to go see it tomorrow, I'm not going back. I'll go if he wants to, but I'd rather spend the time showing him Pacific Rim, or heck one of several other Godzilla films he hasn't seen. Will I buy it on Blu? Yes, but I'm a completist. It wasn't a soul-shattering disappointment -- far from it -- but for being only the 4th G film I've ever seen in a theater (2 back in the 70s, and the GINO film in 98 -- which I don't really count), I wish it had been better. There's a better film in it somewhere, too, I'm fairly sure.
I'll put it another way. I loathe the design of Minya in Son of Godzilla (and have ever since I was a young boy), and can't stand most of what he does in that film. But everything considered, I have a pretty high regard for that film overall (which yes surprises even me), and I'd rank it higher than G2014. As in, given a choice, I'd rather watch SoG again.
Also, G in this film seems like Minya grown up to be a semi-competent badass.
Let your mind dwell on that a while.
DWELL ON IT....!!!
JP's qualifier is apt. This is a Godzilla movie we're discussing here, not the Godfather. I've always had an appreciation for Godzilla movies, but I am not a devotee.
This version of Godzilla is a monster movie, in the spirit of the early originals- minus the dude in a rubber suit. The actors are accomplished, the drama and tension are real; the effects are spectacular.
Was it perfect? No. But for a Godzilla movie, IMHO, they hit this one out of the park.
I'd say it's in the spirit of the later originals -- the Showa era after Destroy All Monsters (which I think G2014 is better than, but I think DAM is overrated).
Specifically, Godzilla's function and relation to the military is about the same as Godzilla vs the Smog Monster/Hedorah (which I think is a significantly better film in most regards, minus the direct quality comparison of the sfx of course; but then I would argue GvSMHed is the 2nd best of the whole set of films after the unique position and the merits of the original G54. So my opinion on relative quality of G films isn't usual.)
STILL waiting for an Ultraman reboot...
(To Banzai-Cat -- actually Ultraman has been running pretty steadily since those days, just not where most Americans can see it. A big-budget film would surely be awesome. Unless they made it like G2014, in which case it would be kind of interesting. :P )
I fraternally anticipate questions. Let the non-spoilery FAQ commence!
Seriously, your argument was invalid the moment you said Smog Monster was not only better but the 2nd best of the whole set so far!
That wasn't a question, O fictional FAQ interlocutor, but I understand and accept the qualification. If possible, try to watch GvsSM before or after G2014 -- the order won't matter. Think of it as a critical experiment. ("We shall see. It will be an experiment." -- said by the scientist Dad in GvsSM, and by no one at any time in G2014. :P )
We sense there may be a thematic connection between your top G-films if Smog and Sonof are in the top lists.
SonofG isn't in my top five, but it's probably in isn't far from the top 10 -- which I can't say about G2014 -- and yes, critically looking back over my favorites, actual science being done in the science fiction (even if the science is more like science fantasy in topic) does seem to make a big difference. Shockingly little science is being done in this film (though most of my favorite parts involve what little exploration they do), to the point where the military flat ignores the (apparently?) only two scientists they wanted on hand (they completely ignore the woman, and Ken Watanabe's Dr. Serizawa really fills the Steve Martin role in the localization of G54 -- a role and film I happen to much enjoy so that isn't my problem) in order to try something again that has demonstrably WITHIN THE KNOWN PAST HISTORY OF THE FILM'S OWN STORY never once worked in the past and which they of all people should know isn't going to work this time. For which I have some other problems but I'll save that for the spoiler FAQ.
Wait, hold up, go back: they hired Ken Watanabe of all people as "Dr. Serizawa" to fill the Steve Martin role? -- or the analogous but far less colorful role of the Japanese reporter in the original? That's... that's...
Insane. Yes. By no means whatever does he approach filling the Dr. Serizawa character he's named after. They're both scientists, that's it. If he had been named "Dr. Martin" that would have been more appropriately accurate.
I'll go farther. "Dr. Serizawa" fills the role of "Mr. Martin" in the American localization of G84/85. I mean EXACTLY fills that role, for all practical purposes. Minus the Dr. Pepper swilling ding-dong in the command center thank God. But still.
Dwell on that for a while. DWELL ON IT...!
But we saw him doing science-y things in the trailers and in the stills!
You've seen practically all of it. His role as scientist ends for all practical purposes off-screen fifteen minutes before he crosses paths with Cranston's Brody character. And yes they're both awesome, Cranston arguably much moreso. I'd even argue Cranston (the other main scientist by the way) is too awesome (too awesome) to share screen time with Godzilla. And the producers agreed, so it never once happens.
Maybe you just have some kind of scientist bias which is important to you but otherwise makes no difference to the quality of the film.
Which would be funny, considering I'm actually a trinitarian Christian apologist (who is often accused by people who don't know me of being anti-scientific). I'm a theologian by ideological hobby not a scientist, though I do like and admire science.
No, what grates on me here is (1) that there is an honored tradition of actual science-fiction in the G films; (2) which the writer/producer/directors are clearly aware of because they do include some nods in that direction and named their Steve Martin-function character after the self-sacrificing tormented heroic scientist character from the first film who alone is able to defeat the unstoppable apocalyptic monster with his equally dangerous science; (3) but they named THEIR STEVE MARTIN CHARACTER after DOCTOR SERIZAWA! Or I guess they tried to blend the characters but got waaaaaay too much Steve Martin into their Serizawa, while leaving out everything of the Serizawa character other than "Japanese scientist". And then left out most of the "scientist" part except for informed (and expository informing) ability.
Okay enough of the dwelling on Dr. Serizawa's character and whatever it was you thought hugely anti-worked there. You were jibbering earlier about G looking like Minya grew up to be a semi-competent badass?? What the heck did that mean?
Not sure I can talk about that without spoilers. You noticed how he looks all slouchy and mopey sort of in the stills and trailers, with a strangely small head and puffy head-and-body, right? And strangely small feet. The film focuses on those weirdly small feet pretty much one time, by the way (at the airport scene some people saw waaaay back at whatever convention the director first showed footage), and then never shows them again. Probably because they look freakishly silly for such a large creature. Or for almost any creature with those body proportions. I have a theory about that, but I may wait until a more spoilery-faq to talk about it...
Wait, you aren't seriously saying the Godzilla in this film is Minya grown up are you?!?
No, unfortunately not. And I say "unfortunately" because I would respect and maybe even admire that. The Heisei era films (the 2nd series) did pretty well with the baby Godzilla in two out of three films (the middle film he was in total Minya mode and it hurt -- by no coincidence the worst film of that series despite the interesting idea of a Space-Godzilla with interesting abilities distinct from Godzilla), and even ended with little G growing up to take over as the new King of Monsters who would presumably be friendlier to humans. (That's a bit of a spoiler for a film that's been out since the mid 90s, sorry.) A lot of fans were looking forward to seeing a new series based on that new G, which absolutely didn't happen. So if something like that explained Godzilla's physical characteristics and behaviors in this movie, I'd be impressed.
And I even am impressed with their explanation for Godzilla and the Mutos (whom they never once call anything other than Muto by the way, notwithstanding the newspaper review upthread. And that's okay I guess, although it's a bit weird in some other regards which I'll get to later.) Their explanation brilliantly avoids needing an origin film for Godzilla, and easily sets up the possibility of future films perhaps even including almost any of the prior Toho stable in new forms (though they've kind of already shot their wads with Mothra and Rodan, especially Rodan who will be hard to make a distinct monster after this. But Mothra is referenced pretty heavily, too, apart from anything that makes Mothra a distinct character. Which is highly annoying and indicative of how parts of this film went for 'that seems cool' on the surface and I guess I should end my parenthesis soon.)
Wait, hold on, back up -- somewhere back in that rambling you said this wasn't a Godzilla origin film?!
It is absolutely not a Godzilla origin film. It explains Godzilla's presence, sort of, in ways which loosely explain his behaviors and abilities but which don't really add up, but it isn't a G origin film.
But they heavily marketed it that way and the director even said it was!
They lied. They lied a lot in the marketing. But I do get, and understand, why they didn't really go with an origin story -- they were honoring the G54 film and not trying (really) to compete with it or supplant it. On the other hand, since G's hero behaviors wouldn't synch up with his behaviors in the G54 film (and are after all only explained as a slow shift in-story across a bunch of Showa films), they don't structure the story to be a sequel to G54 either.
G54 events haven't happened in this story, in other words (not sure about the writer's comic book prequel, but those events are absolutely not referenced in the movie); but a whole powerful international organization called Monarch knows about G already. And they're interesting when they have some agency (as an agency! -- ba-dump-tish) in the story, but that ends not long after the opening credit sequence. Which I'd love to freeze-frame and study, by the way.
Anyway, it is absolutely not a Godzilla origin film. It is very much a Muto origin film. And then they die, the end. (Making room for less disposable Toho creatures to come perhaps.) Again, think Smog Monster.
They don't have Smog Monster properties do they!?
No, I should clarify, they just have natural and pretty normal giant animal properties, aside from being able to generate electromagnetic pulses for literally no good reason other than to screw with modern military capabilities in fighting them. If I thought the writer(s?) meant this to point to Dr. Serizawa's wild-ass guesses about the explanation for Godzilla and the Mutos (his theories may be legitimately established somewhere in the movie's backhistory, but so far as the film goes he presents them like the suppositional theories of Dr. Yamane the paleontologist of the first film -- and okay he's also the "Dr. Yamane" of this film, and I would have been happier if they had named him Yamane)... wait, I lost my grammar trail. Starting over.
If I thought the writer(s?) meant this to point to the 'official' explanation being radically wrong (despite it being a pretty clever explanation otherwise, and even somewhat literally synching with Dr. Yamane's descriptions in G54), I'd be impressed with the pulse detail. Or I might even be impressed if the creatures had been designed (by the writers I mean) so that the pulse was something they just did by accident for other purposes (which is kind of how the pulse is explained when it first shows up). But then of course the pulse couldn't be relied on in-narrative to solve narrative problems. So the script half-asses it: the Mutos intentionally and accidentally pulse when it's convenient to the plot, and not when it's not. This leaves the actual purpose of the pulse for the Mutos highly unclear. But then the Mutos themselves are described in a very unclear way. They are confidently described as parasites, but they don't behave that way at all. Here I'd have to get into spoilers a little, so I'll wait until later.
We think you may be waaaaay overthinking this Godzilla film.
You mean this Godzilla film which up to now has been marketed as a grimdark gritty realistic what-if-kaiju-were-really-real-omgthetotalhorror experience? I don't overthink Godzilla vs. Megalon, which isn't presented that way; and on the other hand the Smog Monster film despite its ludicrous premises which are on par with Megalon's premises, works hard to synch up its monster's "story" in clever ways even when it pulls convenient new abilities out of its ass (somewhat literally) on a regular basis. The Mutos are all over the place by contrast, in a setting which was sold as being a modern thinker's Godzilla film. (They aren't pulling radical new abilities out of their asses, literal or otherwise, but their minimum abilities have problems on consideration.)
Okay you've alluded to this before, as have professional reviewers elsewhere, that this is not a grimdark gritty realistic what-if-kaiju-were-really-real-omgthetotalhorror experience, or whatever. But there just seems too much in the stills and trailers which fit that idea and not with... whatever it is you and other reviewers are talking about. How is that even possible?
It seemed to me while watching it, and on the drive home, and still thinking about it, that the film was originally designed and sold one way, and even produced along that line to a far extent, before someone high up forced a change on it too late in production to alter large portions of it.
My educated guess would be that the grimdark tone was in production first and then someone realized holy crap kids are going to come see this and we're going to traumatize them we've got to lighten the tone immensely even if that conflicts with the grimdark things we've already got in production in crazy patchwork ways.
My main evidence for that sequence instead of the other way around, is the music. Which is seriously bad, but seriously bad in a light-hearted jaunty and trivial fashion.
Not like the Requiem music from the trailers??
Not at all for most of the movie, although the Requiem horror music is still used for the halo drop; and even though the unsettling musical grind (not a sound effect in-movie though maybe it's supposed to be) is also used occasionally, sometimes where it's used in the trailers. Like when Godzilla is wading in after the tsunami, and the camera pans over to his chest with the flares drifting by it. A sequence which affrontively makes no sense, by the way.
wait.. the... that...
Too many topics in that paragraph, sorry. Let's stick with the music first.
Part 2 of the non-spoilery FAQ review next.
JRP's non-spoilery FAQ review/critique of Godzilla 2014, Part 2 of 2
Is the classic Godzilla music ever used?
No.
So what kind of music is it?
It's about as memorable as the music to the recent Spider-man reboot with the Lizard from a few years ago, but without any kind of real theme for Godzilla or anyone or anything else. And with less skittering like a spider. Except when that seems to be Godzilla's theme sometimes in credit sequences. I guess.
...whaaaatt??
You remember the music from the 98 GINO film? That music was more thematic and memorable than this movie's; they're about equally lighthearted fun either way.
......whaaat are you even talking about?!!?
Exactly.
Had G2014 been released without any musical score at all, it would have been significantly improved. But the music, which sounds quickly hashed out (even literally "hashed" out by an orchestra sometimes), does serve one overriding importance: it helps deflate the tension and lighten the tone to keep the movie from being too intensely engaging. The Smog Monster music (as a convenient example) often (always) sounds silly and cheap, but it fits various moods in the film much better, and there are distinct themes. It even created the new Godzilla theme music for the late Showa period (except when Ifikube came back for the Gigan film and Terror of MechaG.)
The Smog Monster movie music was significantly better than G2014. Dwell on that for a while. DWELL ON IT...!
(Maybe more pertinently and importantly, the Pacific Rim musical score was several thousand times better in every way, and would have fit this movie well in most circumstances.)
We cannot imagine the Pacific Rim music, though that was admittedly awesome, fitting the scene where BrodyMom dies as repeatedly spoiled in trailers.
Well no of course not, though the Hans Zimmer protege (I can't remember his name, he does the Game of Thrones main music and the score to the first Iron Man movie, all quite awesome) is talented enough he could have easily scored that with appropriate music. And the music there (if there is any, I don't remember) is appropriate enough. (I don't know who wrote this score, and I'm afraid to look and find out it's someone I like.)
It sounds like BrodyMom's death is the emotional high point of the movie.
It is. It belongs in a completely different and significantly better movie, too. Everyone, especially Cranston and Binoche, act THE UTTER HELL out of that whole sequence. Then the final 97% of the movie happens.
How could that be the emotional high point of the movie? There's a freaking tsunami brutally killing hundreds of people which the director shoots to look as much like real-life recent footage of tsunamis killing hundreds of people as possible!
Nah, the tsunami isn't all that impressive. I mean, yeah, it looks impressively like real-life tragedies in our recent past, and lots of people die, but the director works hard to deflate its trauma in any way. Also, there's literally no reason even in the film for it to happen. It's Hawaii, tsunamis happen occasionally, I guess. Also Godzilla happens to come ashore at the same time, which could also be kind of a problem, and seems afterward from the destruction of buildings like it might have been a serious problem, but the movie doesn't treat it like a serious problem really. Maybe there's an informed connection for the audience to make if they want.
...our.... our minds cannot process the...
The inscrutable gall or mistaken ideas behind this sequence, are far more emotionally engaging and impressive than the tsunami/Godzilla-ashore sequence itself is.
I am not kidding when I say that so far as the movie is shot and edited Godzilla can at best be only implied, perhaps by accident, as the cause of the tsunami. (I mean accidentally implied to wrongly be the cause of the tsunami, not implied to be the cause by accident. Though that, too. It's a schizophrenic sequence in so many ways.)
I can't get further into this without spoilers, so maybe later in a spoilerFAQ. But for one more non-spoilery example: you know those soldiers on the roof nearby shooting up flares? They're there for no clear reason, and definitely shooting flares for no clear in-story reason -- they aren't the halo team and don't even include the main character. They're literally just there to look kind of interesting and evocative for the trailer. Then other soldiers with little tiny machine guns open fire unexpectedly, which is startling -- partly because it makes no sense for them to do so against something that big. I will however admit that that is by far not the most startling thing to happen in the movie.
Can you talk about the single most startling thing to happen in this giant-monster disaster movie, without giving any spoilers?
A comical seagull is the most emotionally startling thing in this giant-monster disaster movie. People jumped in the theater -- the only time that happened, one of the few times they engaged with the film at all (okay a much smaller jump when soldiers unexpectedly started shooting their little guns at Godzilla), and then everyone had a quick laugh and went back to just kind of staring patiently at the movie. (I went last night instead of a matinee because I wanted to get a feel for as much crowd reaction as possible.)
Okay for a non-spoiler FAQ review this is getting pointlessly long. Did you talk about how Godzilla's design fit some theory of yours yet?
Ah, no, I hadn't. Thanks for reminding me! :D But it just fits into my theory that they wanted this to be as undisturbing to children as possible. There are a couple of shots when he roars at the camera when he seems like a quite different animal (with a much different and more Spinosaur-y predator shape to his head, not incidentally.) In those moments he seems like the "alpha predator" the Dr. Yamane/Steve Martin character named Dr. Serizawa keeps talking about. But only in those couple of moments. Also not-incidentally: one of those threatening roars is used in one of the trailers as the doors close over the shelter where SoldierBrody's wife is hiding. In the film, something else completely non threatening to her is happening. And that whole sequence for about a minute on either side is edited in such a wildly divergent style that it's clear shots from utterly different parts of a previous script were cobbled together into something else. (Or possibly that shots originally created for the trailer and its significantly different tone were cobbled into the movie because despite their wildly different tone they do involve plot points kind of needed in the story so they had to be there in some form in the final product.)
Now, am I complaining that someone made a Godzilla movie as undisturbing to children as possible (under the circumstances)? By no means -- I prefer the hero-Godzilla to the nightmarish-threat Godzilla. But in this regard the film is a schizophrenic tonal mess, and I'm complaining about that.
A complaint that fans and non-fans alike have launched at the Smog Monster film for years, starting with the year of its release when Toho officials grievously and sarcastically congratulated the director on ruining Godzilla forever.
I am aware of the irony, but where the juxtaposition of tones in Smog Monster seems like audaciousness, this just seems like a mess. Possibly because the juxtaposition of tones in SM was designed in from the outset, and I see lots of evidence that isn't true here. Also, the schizophrenic tones of the Smog Monster film fracture pretty cleanly along the lines between Godzilla and the Smog Monster. Godzilla is mostly in the kid-friendly mode developed over many years by then (indicated by the first real "Kenny" character of the series, and also by far the best such kid character.) Hedorah has all the horror of the film, and is mostly played straight along that line -- mirroring the horror and many of the themes of Godzilla's original 54 movie, and not by accident. The scientific and heroic optimism of the Godzilla series triumphs over its horrific pessimism, well-intentioned and important though that pessimism is for its own purposes, which is one of several ways I regard that film as unsung genius.
Godzilla 2014 is not really anything more than a big grey mess, that pretty clearly wants to be the Godzilla version of Spielberg's War of the Worlds. But it isn't.
In conclusion, I'm with MovieBob's review (upthread) on this one. So close to being good, and so technically competent in so many ways...
But Godzilla breathes fire, right? The trailers have us worried. You can talk about this without spoilers. YOU MUST TALK ABOUT THIS -- THIS IS IMPORTANT!!
He uses his breath weapon, yes. As many times as GINO 98 does.
...STOP TEASING US, THAT WASN'T BREATHING FIRE EXCEPT AS A LAST-MINUTE POORLY PATCHED EFFECT WHEN THE DIRECTOR FINALLY ACCEPTED THE FANS WOULD EAT HIM ALIVE!
It's better than that. But not much. He vomits some kind of blue atomic plasma-fluid twice, toward the end of the film. It has a nifty build-up the first time but a very underwhelming effect which accomplishes practically nothing that I can recall. The second time is an admittedy epic finishing move that should have exemplified the fight designs from the beginning -- but even then, after the previous fizzle, the implication is that Godzilla has to cheat to make it work. If someone revealed he was originally only supposed to breath-ray that one time, I would believe it.
But then he would either win too quickly, or in order to sell the power of the ray other things would have to be wrecked besides the Mutos. And for no clear reason this Godzilla tries, apparently by accident, to keep the property-destruction down. Not for any reason intrinsic to the character of this Godzilla in any way, only by accident.
That sort of sums up the whole movie experience. ???
But it's still vastly better than GINO 98. So there's that. :coolsmiley:
More spoilery FAQ to follow, maybe, when I get around to feeling like it.
Im off to see this now. and the theater has a bar. O0
I'm jealous. I haven't been to a movie theatre/bar since I was in college. Enjoy the movie with a brewskie!
I'm going tomorrow morning for the 09:45 show to not only get cheaper seats but to beat the crowds.
That was a lot of fun!
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on May 17, 2014, 02:43:38 PM
Im off to see this now. and the theater has a bar. O0
I hope you made it a triple... :buck2: let us know your own ideas when you get back.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on May 17, 2014, 06:13:42 PM
That was a lot of fun!
So you did make it a triple! :crazy2:
People are obviously having fun with the movie, and I do not even a little want to take that away. So I'll save my spoilery FAQ for later. I've griped enough in the non-spoilery FAQ.
Quote from: JasonPratt on May 17, 2014, 06:30:00 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on May 17, 2014, 02:43:38 PM
Im off to see this now. and the theater has a bar. O0
I hope you made it a triple... :buck2: let us know your own ideas when you get back.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on May 17, 2014, 06:13:42 PM
That was a lot of fun!
this reminds me of your Batman tirade!!
relaxing - youre doing it wrong :P
So you did make it a triple! :crazy2:
People are obviously having fun with the movie, and I do not even a little want to take that away. So I'll save my spoilery FAQ for later. I've griped enough in the non-spoilery FAQ.
Quote from: undercovergeek on May 17, 2014, 06:35:52 PM
this reminds me of your Batman tirade!!
relaxing - youre doing it wrong :P
Fanboying -- I may or may not be doing it wrong. :coolsmiley:
(I'll grant that TDKR was substantially a more annoying movie, though. ;) G2014's similar ending even makes very slightly more sense. :D )
I really do hope other people liked it a lot more than I did. I fully agree there's enough quality to step (though wobbly) into a better film and franchise next time. I
want a modern Godzilla film series to succeed and make godly amounts of money for everyone involved.
I saw it in 3D and got souvenir glasses! 3D was unnesessary, but the glasses are cool! 8)
3D seems to be very "over" in my neck of the woods. The little dinky theater between me and the Big City Theaters had AmazingSpider2 in 3D, but none of the BCTs did. No Godzilla options in 3D. No Noah options in 3D. Not entirely sure there were any Winter Solider options in 3D. (We didn't watch it that way anyway.)
Granted, I have a lot of trouble watching a film in 3D, so I wouldn't have done so anyway -- though on a big colorful movie (like animated features -- no Frozen 3D around here either) I seem to do okay. I might have tried Spider2 in 3D given an option (I learned about it at the local aftermarket theater too late, already saw it, couldn't muster enough caring to watch again). Too much grey in Godzilla.
Oh well. Just weird. I hope 3D stays around long enough this time for the tech to be continually improved; I'm not at all against it in principle. It adds several more layers of artistic skill (on every shot of a movie) to work consistently right, though.
Does 3D work better with IMAX and related setups? I suspect so, but we have no IMAX theaters around here (closest one is 2+ HOURS away).
Speaking of IMAX and alternative presentation setups:
1.) How many saw G2014 at a 'normal' theater (or normal digital theater, that may be the normal now anyway)? I did.
2.) In my theater, I thought at first someone had forgotten to turn on more than just the front speakers (or wiring had failed, whatever) -- especially notable since I was sitting under one of the side speakers. So the sound was very disconnected, way up there in front of me. But then every once in a rare while the side and back speakers would twerp an environmental effect. So I know they weren't off, but... would an equipment problem cause that? Or was the film designed to be presented that way?
That's my actual question, did anyone else have that experience? If several people did across a wide distribution (and especially if it even happened in venues with extra-sound like in IMAX), that would be evidence of intentional sound design.
Oh, yay, someone put up the opening credit sequence for study!
http://badassdigest.com/2014/05/16/badass-exclusive-the-redacted-secrets-from-godzillas-credits/
My favorite (for several reasons, including complaints about film plot design): "Even with nuclear weapons there is no guarantee that the creatures will succumb. Evidence show that it is likely the creatures will come back WITH DAVID STRATHAIRN's head"
I just returned from seeing the movie. I saw it in a normal theater with no 3D but the sound quality was good. All speakers seemed functional in the AMC theater I saw the movie in.
I noticed that there were quite a few tidbits to consider in the opening credits as well. I will have to see this movie again next weekend and pay closer attention. I like how for a brief moment the text describing each image was shown and then key sentences were 'whited out' for security reasons. O0
Overall, as a strict Toho fan, I think this movie was well made. Both the story and the character development were well done. This version of Gojira is no classic Kaiju fest but the story and the monsters are believable. I was pleased.
My only complaint was that the monster fight sequences were too short time wise. I seem to recall the fights being much longer at least 5-8 minutes in the old movies like 'Destroy all Monsters'. What is impressive about this movie is the monster fighting style. One gets a sense that these creatures fighting each other are not men in rubber suits but actual beasts of nature using very realistic animal fighting styles. There was a lot of biting and poking going on much like a lion trying to take gown a horned deer. It was truly barbaric and that made the fights totally believable.
Okay, good, that's evidence my theater sound was a glitch.
You can read the whited-out parts at the link above, W8; though freeze-framing the credit sequence might have interesting visual results, too. If I go see it again in the theater I'll try filming it with a camera (but by then it'll probably be officially online. ;) )
I'm willing to grant that overall the movie had far more kaiju action than, say, Destroy All Monsters which is much lighter than people remember (probably due to cost issues involved in multiple distinct sets and all the suits). Even with the constant distancing and action-fakeouts, the film keeps its focus on the Muto plot admirably consistent and there's a ton of nice sfx. I agree about the character development, too (except for Dr. Serizawa but I understand why his character wouldn't develop). I went in unsure how much of the human side would be dull based on other reviews, but it was acceptable enough.
Nice point about the animal-fighting styles, too; and they did that while converting over several typical G-moves (without insane things like the dropkick from GvsMegalon. ;) )
Maybe in a year or two I'll have a higher opinion about the various things that kept constantly annoying me -- I rewatched the first Amazing Spider-man movie twice this weekend and thought much more highly of it (while still cringing at various plot designs).
I noticed that too Jason about Dr. Serizawa. In Gojira 1954 he was of course a very important character and I think I understand why he wasn't as important in this movie. Still though, in a way I was glad that this American version of Godzilla paid homage to Dr. Serizawa. He was very critical in the original monsters demise with his oxygen destroyer. But that would not have fit in well with the story told in this new Godzilla movie.
Dr. Serizawa then:
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Dr. Serizawa now:
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Letters from Iwo Jima:
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One more comparison.
Screaming in terror at the sight of the terrible beast then:
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Screaming in terror at the sight of the terrible beast now:
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I ask you which woman looks more terrified?
to be fair the second chick had a kid and lives in San Fransisco. wtf do you think is really going to shock a chick like that.
She's definitely hotter, that's for sure.
all I can say is that I really enjoyed that movie! as reboots go it's 100% gooderest.
I agree, this reboot was good. Don't mind my nitpicking or let it fool you into thinking I didn't like the new Godzilla. I loved it! It was light years better than Godzilla 1998 with Ferris Bueller.
Quote from: W8taminute on May 18, 2014, 09:52:51 PM
It was light years better than Godzilla 1998 with Ferris Bueller.
Quoted for truth!
And I think my disjuncture with Dr. Serizawa would have been largely cured if he had been named Dr. Yamane, who after all exists to marvel at Godzilla and deliver some exposition. And has both eyes. But naming this character Serizawa is illustrative of most of the problems of the script (and some of the presentation issues): things are done because they seem convenient and/or cool at the moment but break the film. (If they had named Watanabe's character Dr. Martin Yamane, I would have been cheer-laughing at the clever audaciousness. Every time "Serizawa" was said my brain WTFd in distraction.)
Meanwhile, here's Badassdigest's spoiler-heavy podcast on the film via Soundcloud (??? Good luck, my operating system and/or browser knows not what to do with it.)
http://badassdigest.com/2014/05/18/badass-podcast-13-godzilla-all-spoilers-edition/
And news officially confirming a sequel.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on May 18, 2014, 09:51:14 PM
all I can say is that I really enjoyed that movie! as reboots go it's 100% gooderest.
Amen.
I think I'll check this out this weekend with the kiddos.
BC,
depending on how young they are, I'd recommend you consider spoiling them ahead of time about BrodyMom's death early in the film -- the trailers have long spoiled that, but just in case. It isn't bloody or anything, but it's emotionally traumatic.
Other than that, it should be pretty safe. Loud sometimes when Godzilla is roaring at the screen.
They're 13 and 15 and despite my having tried to shelter them as best as I can, they can sometimes be more cynical than I. Although I clearly remember my grandmother telling me how cynical *I* was when I was 13...
Quote from: JasonPratt on May 19, 2014, 09:04:19 PM
BC,
depending on how young they are, I'd recommend you consider spoiling them ahead of time about BrodyMom's death early in the film -- the trailers have long spoiled that, but just in case. It isn't bloody or anything, but it's emotionally traumatic.
Other than that, it should be pretty safe. Loud sometimes when Godzilla is roaring at the screen.
Speaking of loud, if the kids don't like noise, stay away from IMAX. Godzilla roaring is loud in a regular theatre, in IMAX it would be deafening.
Quote from: Centurion40 on May 19, 2014, 05:06:17 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on May 18, 2014, 09:51:14 PM
all I can say is that I really enjoyed that movie! as reboots go it's 100% gooderest.
Amen.
You know, it occurred to me the other day, when the credits rolled, the audience applauded. I got to the movies frequently, and it's been a long time since I've experienced a movie audience applauding a movie.
A key element to that is there wasnt some dumbass love story screwing up my monster carnage!
True, the human story per se doesn't gum up the works in any way, mainly by staying (mostly) focused on the Muto threat from start to finish. (A little non-focus for flavor was fine.)
I had more problems with the plot than MovieBob did (and didn't share some of his other problems really), but I agree with the gist of his followup: "I may not have liked it, but I respect it."
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/9222-Go-Go-Godzilla-Hoping-for-Better-Blockbusters
Quote from: JasonPrattIf they had named Watanabe's character Dr. Martin Yamane, I would have been cheer-laughing at the clever audaciousness.
Agreed! Yamane totally would have made better sense here than Serizawa. Serizawa was tormented by his own demons and ultimately used his invention to kill Gojira. Yamane on the other hand wanted to study the beast and use him to find a cure for radiation sickness.
They used the name Serizawa instead because they probably thought he was a cooler character than Yamane. Since most viewers in the American audience are not familiar with the lore they can get away with this. When Serizawa first appeared in the new movie I have to admit I choked up a little because I thought they did well to pay tribute to him. Only later after you pointed out the flaws did it dawn on my that the new Serizawa wanted to study the creature for somewhat similar reasons to Yamane. Yeah it doesn't make sense.
...and don't mind us Star. We're a couple of Godzilla geeks geeking out at some geeky flaws but we still enjoyed the movie. 8)
Heck, bitching about plot flaws is part of how I enjoy a movie... O0
Just saw it and it wasn't half bad and the Wife liked it too. The Big 'G' gets my vote.
^^^LMAO!!! Nice! :2funny:
Their 11 min 28 seconds is generous; one Youtube video clocks it more like 7:56 minutes. Much of which involves brief partial shots (including the infamous TV battle snippets in Honolulu.)
Seriously? The 98 zilla movie had an extra two minutes compared to this one? SERIOUSLY??
(And 12 minutes of Mutos, about 5 of which overlap with Godzilla.)
I was briefly thinking about picking up the movie on its Blu-ray release, but man...
There is no reason why this film should have been longer than 90 minutes. Or even 60 minutes.
ILM's gotta make their money bro.
Oh, there's much, much more wrong with the film than that.
But yep, I like CinemaSins, too. :)
Quote from: JasonPratt on October 29, 2014, 09:33:33 PM
Oh, there's much, much more wrong with the film than that.
But yep, I like CinemaSins, too. :)
They captured the lowlights.
Ha...thanks for sharing, I've not heard of CinemaSins.
^^ A good way to lose several hours of your life one weekend.
(Cinema sins I mean, not G2014.)
I still can't get more than halfway through the Godzilla reboot. Glad I'm not the only one. This video and all y'all pretty much reinforce that choice.
It really was sub par. Kinda reminded me of Dark Knight Rises. It seems okay when you're watching it that first time, but the more you think about it after, the more you go WTF?
I'm worried my brother, who knows I love the property, got me this film for my birthday. He doesn't know how aggressively mediocre and flagrantly stupid it is.
Quote from: mirth on November 05, 2014, 06:32:36 PM
It really was sub par. Kinda reminded me of Dark Knight Rises. It seems okay when you're watching it that first time, but the more you think about it after, the more you go WTF?
Much like TDKR, I was fully on board when I started watching it, and felt assaulted by pain in increasing amounts as the film ran on. Yet I could not look away. See also: boiling a frog slowly.
Quote from: JasonPratt on November 07, 2014, 02:58:04 PM
See also: boiling a frog slowly.
Step one: cut a hole in the box...
Step two: torture a small animal in the box...
Step three: make her open the box...
...and that's the way you dooo iii-iiit
I do want to clarify that I don't think people who like or love either movie are stupid. I'm unable to get past the many, many problems, but both films still have some obvious quality. (FWIW, I'd say TDKR was the better film overall, but I don't think anyone would dispute that.)
And G2014 isn't nearly as painful overall as G98 was/is.
I've not read this thread since page four, so I may have missed this and it's old news to you guys, but, I just stumbled across this and wondered if any one else had seen it:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/made-japan-godzilla-back-hollywood-hit-051520156.html
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on November 07, 2014, 05:45:32 PM
Step one: cut a hole in the box...
Step two: torture a small animal in the box...
Step three: make her open the box...
...and that's the way you dooo iii-iiit
thats not how "Dick in a box" works man.
I hadn't seen it yet, but I'm not surprised: the new movie, while miles better than Zilla98, was far too light on the monster action for its length.
(Also its plot was a seething hot mess of nonsense aggressively daring the viewer to try to ignore the problems. But I doubt Toho will improve much on that if at all -- G movies aren't usually known for coherent plotting. Still, a lot of them have been better than that, so I can have at least a little hope along that line.)