Most powerful storm ever to hit landfall

[GDS_Starfury]

The question is, has Windy seen bigger?   ;)

if you express storms as energy size does matter, not just speed

to easy.  ;)

[LongBlade]

Not that it makes the disaster any less tragic, but there seems to have been a strange amount of hype surrounding this typhoon.

How many were positioned to drive a storm surge up a bay like a funnel? Lets see a list of storm surge at landfall (especially where there is a city) then we can discuss hype.

I'm not saying this wasn't bad - I am saying that starting with the title to this thread this storm has been one of hype. The storm was bad. Very bad. It was not even close to the Most Powerful Ever To Make Landfall (Anywhere).

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Not that it makes the disaster any less tragic, but there seems to have been a strange amount of hype surrounding this typhoon.

How many were positioned to drive a storm surge up a bay like a funnel? Lets see a list of storm surge at landfall (especially where there is a city) then we can discuss hype.

I'm not saying this wasn't bad - I am saying that starting with the title to this thread this storm has been one of hype. The storm was bad. Very bad. It was not even close to the Most Powerful Ever To Make Landfall (Anywhere).

Spindoctoring fail. The original artical said it was the most powerful when it made landfall. Now in typical FOxNews fashion, you try to revise the news by saying it was not the most powerful to make landfall. As you well know, most have fallen in strength when they do make landfall. Katarina went from cat 5 out at sea to what, cat 3 at landfall?

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

let's not make this a Fact Free Fox Finding Freezone. :D

[LongBlade]

Spindoctoring fail. The original artical said it was the most powerful when it made landfall. Now in typical FOxNews fashion, you try to revise the news by saying it was not the most powerful to make landfall. As you well know, most have fallen in strength when they do make landfall. Katarina went from cat 5 out at sea to what, cat 3 at landfall?

I see your point. Well taken.

However, the fact remains that, while powerful, at landfall, like Katrina it ended up far less powerful than originally thought. And headlines like "most powerful ever" while sensational, can be misleading. Everything from wind speed to tragic cost of human life has consistently turned out to be less than thought.

What made Katrina memorable wasn't the storm (at one time a Cat 5) or its size (it filled the entire Gulf), but the corruption in New Orleans that resulted in a catastrophic failure of multiple levies. Had the levies held Katrina would probably be an afterthought in the litany of Gulf storms. Heian, being a Cat 4 will be remembered. But we've seen worse.

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

"So far, the U.S. military has moved 174,000 kilograms (190 tons) of supplies and flown nearly 200 sorties.  The focus of the aid effort is on providing life-saving aid for those who survived, while the search for missing people is lower in the government's priorities."
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/typhoon-haiyan-for-survivors-search-for-missing-becomes-hellish-routine-1.1546163

[Windigo]

"So far, the U.S. military has moved 174,000 kilograms (190 tons) of supplies and flown nearly 200 sorties.  The focus of the aid effort is on providing life-saving aid for those who survived, while the search for missing people is lower in the government's priorities."
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/typhoon-haiyan-for-survivors-search-for-missing-becomes-hellish-routine-1.1546163

takes a couple weeks for the mossies and parasites from all the water to get noticed... this ain't over... spent my last few bucks and a few hours helping the neighbours out fundraising... their are filippino and good folk - as an aside the kids are scared of both our little dogs... been trying to show them how to play with them...

[LongBlade]

Here's another list helping place this storm in context.

http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/deadlyworld.asp

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Here's another list helping place this storm in context.

http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/deadlyworld.asp

Interesting. Most seem to be in the Bay of Bengal. Remind me not to vacation there.

[GDS_Starfury]

most of those happened before global warming.   8)

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

most of those happened before global warming.   8)

It's hard to record the future. There is not much doubt to me that the storms of the next 10 years will have a lot more record breakers (in terms of power) than prior decades.

[LongBlade]

most of those happened before global warming.   8)

I noticed that.

The Information Age may (or may not) have something to do with that. Advanced warning can help, as can building regulations.

I'm not sure either can prevent a huge, catastrophic typhoon/cyclone in a 3rd world nation, but the possibility shouldn't be overlooked that it could help.

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

How many cases of this, which is happening today in the US widwdwest, were there before global warming?

"Hailstones the size of tennis balls have been reported."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24982072

Don't let the dogs out LB!

[LongBlade]

How many cases of this, which is happening today in the US widwdwest, were there before global warming?

"Hailstones the size of tennis balls have been reported."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24982072

Don't let the dogs out LB!

There are several fallacies about this.

First, and perhaps most importantly, Windy should have beaten me in here to remind you not to mistake weather for climate. I'm sure he was otherwise occupied or he would already have done so  ::)

Second, 2013 is notable for several reasons. Due to a lack of global warming this year is likely to mark the year that *every* AGW warming model failed (well over 95% already have failed - we're just waiting on the last two). That is, their predicted increases in temperature will be far higher than the actual (observed) temperature (mind you, that data has tons of error in it, but the error is skewed toward overstating heat, not understating it) such that observed temperatures will be outside the acceptable margin of error of all models. In other words, all the models will have proven they have failed.

2013 is also notable for the absence of severe weather. It has thus far demonstrated to be the second least active year for tornadic activity in the US since 1957. Why 1957? I'm not sure but if Windy makes a dork out of himself by insisting this is significant, I'll look up the reason to demonstrate - once again - that he doesn't know what he's talking about. Again.



2013 was also notable for the distinct lack of Atlantic hurricane activity. You will recall that weather forecasters started the hurricane season predicting an average to above average year. Instead we got virtually nothing. Let's think about that for a moment: modeling the climate is infinitely more complex than modeling only a portion of climate, the Atlantic hurricane season.

Lastly, this is about AGW. If you really want to go there, I'll splice these last two posts off of this thread and put them in the AGW thread where Windy can demonstrate a singular disinterest in scientific debate. Again.

Up to you.

[LongBlade]

How many cases of this, which is happening today in the US widwdwest, were there before global warming?

"Hailstones the size of tennis balls have been reported."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24982072

Don't let the dogs out LB!

BTW, that storm wasn't theoretical for us.

We had to hang out in the basement this afternoon while a tornado warning rolled over us. Lost some shingles on the roof. Not many, but it'll need repair. The winds and rain were howling pretty good but I never had the sense that a tornado actually formed over us, though clearly something was up otherwise we wouldn't have lost the shingles.