One reason amongst many why i'm here and not there

[GDS_Starfury]

FWIW there are a couple of.women on the RPS staff.

well that explains the bunched panties.   

[MengJiao]

Bullshit.

  It's not bullshit.  Or at least not complete bullshit.  All the PC crap just goes to show how much there is to haul out into the open.  Sure PC is annoying, but without going so far in the PC direction there would still be a lot of insidious damage being done to the people that PC sets out to reposition.  The excessive and annoying qualties of PC show just how badly PC rhetoric is needed -- as much as possible and all the time -- and why?  Because what the PC crap exposes is endless and all the time as well. 

[Jarhead0331]

Bullshit.

  It's not bullshit.  Or at least not complete bullshit.  All the PC crap just goes to show how much there is to haul out into the open.  Sure PC is annoying, but without going so far in the PC direction there would still be a lot of insidious damage being done to the people that PC sets out to reposition.  The excessive and annoying qualties of PC show just how badly PC rhetoric is needed -- as much as possible and all the time -- and why?  Because what the PC crap exposes is endless and all the time as well.

The point is, there is a time and place for everything.  Nobody is suggesting that sexism is a good thing. But do we really need to read about it when we're trying to get feedback on a game? I suppose if issues of race, sex, religion, etc. are over the top, then it may warrant a brief comment.  Otherwise, I don't see the point.

By the way, there was Holocaust imagery and references used in Wolfenstein: New Order, but it appears that RPS just makes a passing reference to it. Apparently, women in bikinis is worse than the mass murder of Jews. In all fairness though, I'm not really sure because the review was another RPS classic written as a conversation between two "blokes" rather than just a clear analysis of what is good and bad about the game...so perhaps I just missed the big debate?

[MengJiao]

  It's not bullshit.  Or at least not complete bullshit.  All the PC crap just goes to show how much there is to haul out into the open.  Sure PC is annoying, but without going so far in the PC direction there would still be a lot of insidious damage being done to the people that PC sets out to reposition.  The excessive and annoying qualties of PC show just how badly PC rhetoric is needed -- as much as possible and all the time -- and why?  Because what the PC crap exposes is endless and all the time as well.

The point is, there is a time and place for everything.

Yes, but we are here and now and if people like us had spoken up years ago there never would have been any need for the excesses of PC.

[Gusington]

That's the point right there. In light of real bad news, PC - ness over trivial matters just looks that much more trivial and ridiculous.

[MengJiao]

That's the point right there. In light of real bad news, PC - ness over trivial matters just looks that much more trivial and ridiculous.

  Sure, but we are mostly talking about games and explaining why some trivia is more annoying than other trivia.  Is that so trivial?
Sometimes triviality works like a negative number and trivia times trivia equals something less trivial.

[Rayfer]

Bullshit.

  It's not bullshit.  Or at least not complete bullshit.  All the PC crap just goes to show how much there is to haul out into the open.  Sure PC is annoying, but without going so far in the PC direction there would still be a lot of insidious damage being done to the people that PC sets out to reposition.  The excessive and annoying qualties of PC show just how badly PC rhetoric is needed -- as much as possible and all the time -- and why?  Because what the PC crap exposes is endless and all the time as well.

MJ....couldn't have put it any better myself.  Thanks.

[Gusington]

Right but in the comments section of the RPS article 90% of the chatter was centered.on the bikini, while in the Wolfenstein review, IIRC, there was little or no mention of the Holocaust. Not that there has to be...but if people get so twisted over a bikini what should their reaction be to genocide?

[bayonetbrant]

I think in part because the 'bikini' factor is in their faces much more in their daily lives than a genocide that happened 2 generations ago.

I'm not saying that's the proper perspective.  I'm just hypothesizing why it might be.

[Jarhead0331]

  It's not bullshit.  Or at least not complete bullshit.  All the PC crap just goes to show how much there is to haul out into the open.  Sure PC is annoying, but without going so far in the PC direction there would still be a lot of insidious damage being done to the people that PC sets out to reposition.  The excessive and annoying qualties of PC show just how badly PC rhetoric is needed -- as much as possible and all the time -- and why?  Because what the PC crap exposes is endless and all the time as well.

The point is, there is a time and place for everything.

Yes, but we are here and now and if people like us had spoken up years ago there never would have been any need for the excesses of PC.

[MengJiao]

Right but in the comments section of the RPS article 90% of the chatter was centered.on the bikini, while in the Wolfenstein review, IIRC, there was little or no mention of the Holocaust. Not that there has to be...but if people get so twisted over a bikini what should their reaction be to genocide?

  See?  There is a lot going on -- a lot of covering up (oddly represented by a bikini) and a lot of trying not to see (by all concerned -- one of the horrors of PC trivia is that no one looks good in the light of PC -- there are no good guys and there are no innocents -- the PC-purveyors become as guilty as the trivia they expose).  Now -- the Holocaust -- really -- who really wants to talk about that?  It gets skipped because it is so horrible.  Bikinis -- well okay -- who doesn't want to cover that topic from all angles?  Never mind that the bikini is named for a atomic bomb test series (A and B went off -- C was canceled until 1955).  So you see bikini time bikini equals atomic bomb test.  Alas!  there is no purely innocent trivia to be had!
  So yes, a bikini is about as close to innocent trivia as you can get which is why it has people twisted up.  If that's not innocent trivia then what is?  Well, certainly not the Holocaust.

[Jarhead0331]

I think in part because the 'bikini' factor is in their faces much more in their daily lives than a genocide that happened 2 generations ago.

I'm not saying that's the proper perspective.  I'm just hypothesizing why it might be.

...and that is a big part of what is wrong with the world and why history will continue to repeat itself.  It may also be part of the reason why the world is supporting Hamas over the State of Israel in the latest round of battle over there. People in the West are so concerned about feeling good about themselves, that they have forgotten, or simply do not care about why the State of Israel exists in the first place.

[Gusington]

Damn you people for making me agree with JH wholeheartedly. Don't be surprised when he weaponizes and subsequently launches me.

[BanzaiCat]

If the Arabs are represented by a big set of double-Ds, I think this is a weaponization that Gus could easily get behind (not to mention anyone else).

(There, I did it - a bewbays reference midst a serious thread.)

The skewed vision of history being taught in the classrooms (and school in general, actually), with the 'everyone's special' viewpoint tends to make those that are a waste of skin live a lot longer than they should and become more of a woe to the world in general. You can also thank skanky mouth-breathing television for shoving shite like Snooki and bulbous-faced Real Housewives down the throat of Americans that choose to remain comfortable and not think about things that make life too difficult.

[Huw the Poo]

The point is, there is a time and place for everything.  Nobody is suggesting that sexism is a good thing. But do we really need to read about it when we're trying to get feedback on a game? I suppose if issues of race, sex, religion, etc. are over the top, then it may warrant a brief comment.  Otherwise, I don't see the point.

By the way, there was Holocaust imagery and references used in Wolfenstein: New Order, but it appears that RPS just makes a passing reference to it. Apparently, women in bikinis is worse than the mass murder of Jews. In all fairness though, I'm not really sure because the review was another RPS classic written as a conversation between two "blokes" rather than just a clear analysis of what is good and bad about the game...so perhaps I just missed the big debate?

I think this is the most reasonable thing I've ever seen you write, Jarhead! ;)