Panther Games Command Ops 2 Limited Time Offer Bundle Pack Coming Soon

[-budd-]

Minor updates and bug fixes are free. big updates like mounted ops/sequential tasking you would pay to upgrade and there would be a package deal to upgrade all your modules or you can pick and choose which modules to upgrade. they haven't been concrete as to price to upgrade yet as it hasn't happened yet. You don't have to upgrade any of your modules they will play just fine as is. Mounted ops and sequential tasking are game changers and i will pay to upgrade my modules for those. Those alone will take a lot of work and those must be done before anything on the east front is done right. If i have to pay lets say $50 to upgrade all modules, i'm going to do it without blinking. But then i'm not exactly sure how big a deal those features would be in say HTTR, so maybe i don't upgrade that one. You get to choose. It's not as good of a deal as the original discount but you get a lot of game for $99 and a wide variety of locations to battle in. Less the $20 a module, that's a pretty good deal.

[Grim.Reaper]

Thanks budd.....I am sure it is a reasonable deal, just makes my head hurt when I try to understand it:). If I were to buy the the commander pack and the new module, would be $125...although very good game, just not sure I can justify that price based on how much I play.  I know I don't need to buy every module, but I always want it all:)

[-budd-]

Thanks budd.....I am sure it is a reasonable deal, just makes my head hurt when I try to understand it:). If I were to buy the the commander pack and the new module, would be $125...although very good game, just not sure I can justify that price based on how much I play.  I know I don't need to buy every module, but I always want it all:)

You and me both....its a bit of a sickness, really :D there are very few games i'm a fan boy of, CO is just one of them for me. I get it......AGEOD games i don't. I will be picking up the westwall sooner or later, there's no hurry its not on sale. I hate that release day sale shit....I fold everytime i'm pretty wrapped up in CSME right now so no hurry. I suggest playing the CO2 demo a bunch it comes with 3 good scenarios of various sizes to see if it clicks for you.

[Grim.Reaper]

Well since I need to buy csme, likely will hold off longer on this one:)

[Zulu1966]

Westwall released .... http://store.lnlpublishing.com/command-ops-2-westwall $29.99

Also the price of the commanders pack reduced to $99.00 .... http://store.lnlpublishing.com/command-ops-2-the-commander-pack

the commanders pack includes all modules EXCEPT for the just released westwall.

That's quite expensive for a 12 scenario DLC.

[-budd-]

There's a lot of game play to be had in those 12 scenario's

[Yskonyn]

Does this game require you to RTFM? And is it a thick one?
I like the premise of the game, but I am not sure if I have the backbone right now to sit down with it if it turns out to be a detailed wargame like WitP or so.

[panzerde]

Panther did a really nice video tutorial on the system. It was done for the previous version, but generally still applies. Much easier than RTFM.


It is definitely not as micro-management oriented as WitP or WitE. Grand tactical/Operational scale, you need to be concerned about supply lines but not get into the nitty gritty of making sure you allocate supply to units appropriate to their mission, etc.


Somewhat like Flashpoint Campaigns, this is a game where you are more concerned with being the overall force commander and so issue general orders and then let your AI sub-leaders carry them out. Ideally you never command more then two levels down from your notional position - so, if you're a divisional commander, you are issuing order to no units lower echelon than regiments. You may have special detachments or pull together special task forces or kampfgruppes, but if you're commanding all of the things you are missing the point.


So, longish on command and control, not so much on things like logistics. In general I think it's pretty intuitive to play.

[Con]

That being said to sometimes pull off wins in the most difficult scenarios (usually German) you do need to really know all the strengths/weaknesses/moral etc of your units.  You might need to command individual units to do block strategic choke points (or take them).

There is a lot of planning that will tip things your way including how to run your arty (on call manual target support units).  Its a great game but the more you know the better you will be at overcoming some formidable battles

Conrad

[Father Ted]

Does this game require you to RTFM? And is it a thick one?

Short answer yes and yes.  That said the vids Panzerde mentions are really very good.  I actually quite enjoy the process of learning a new gaming system.  In this case I also think it's worthwhile because the system is so flexible - you can either formulate a grand plan, issue orders and watch events unfold, or play it like an RTS, or mix and match your approach. If you watch the vids and RTFM I think there is an awful lot of enjoyment to be had from this.

[-budd-]

To get started...naw you don't have to RTFM. Watch the vids, play along. To understand the system and how it works your going to have to RTFM. Download the base game which comes with 3 scenarios for free. Sometimes to start, depending on scenario size your only giving 3 to 6 orders.

[-budd-]

Just saw this. KOAD is on the way. Knock On All Doors is set in the first 48 hours of the bulge. 12 scenario's 6 historical, 6 hypothetical. These are a little bigger scenario's then before, the maps look absolutely huge. Wonder how they will run, here's the link.  http://forums.lnlpublishing.com/threads/knock-on-all-doors-koad-is-on-the-way.2109/

[JudgeDredd]

I never read the manual and I never lost a game.

Did I play the game properly, utilising all the units abilities to their maximum? Make the best use of HQ's? Nope...but I never lost. I drew a few, but never lost. I am referring to the previous instalment of the games (namely HTTR, CotA, BftB).

[Grim.Reaper]

That's impressive, I think I was the opposite and never won a single battle:). Really wish I would have put more time in with this game since it really does appear to have what I want by not needing to micro manage everything.  Although would love to see them move to an era beyond world war 2 and stop releasing  generally the same topics for the different versions.  As I mentioned before, for my play habits this game has reached the too expensive category so likely not something I'll be going back too anytime soon.

Regardless of price and somewhat confusing upgrade policy, still very much worth it for people who would play it regularly.

[Yskonyn]

I watched the 'Game Concepts' and Tutorial video's and I must say that has made me much more interested in the game.
The price of admission is something I am not sure about though.
First, I'll get proficient at the free scenarios and take it from there. 99 bucks is a lot of money...