Star Wars: The Last Jedi

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SirAndrewD

#150
December 16, 2017, 11:30:12 PM Last Edit: December 16, 2017, 11:32:08 PM by SirAndrewD
Quote from: Sir Slash on December 16, 2017, 10:59:50 PM
I liked it better than Rogue1. And are we to assume (spoiler ahead) that Rey's parents were really just, nobody's? After all the hints and hype about them in Force Awakens?

I wouldn't read too much into what the Force Awakens says or hints at. 

These films were handed to their filmmakers with a lot of  leeway.  Johnson was given absolute freedom to choose what direction he could take the movie in, even if it wasn't what Abrams/Kasdan had wanted in Force Awakens.  Johnson has said that Kennedy gave him a blank check, and told him if he wanted to go off script he could, so he did.  He was given no overall story or pointed to something he was required to do. 

So, these films are being made by their writers/directors.  They're building off the previous versions without being beholden to a unified goal.  The story might change according to the vision and whims of who is making it rather than some master plan.  In a way, this is not too dissimilar to what happened in the OT with the melting pot of Lucas, Kurtz, Kasdan et al, although this time it's by intent rather than by necessity. 

Abrams might change what Johnson did, might not.  He literally gave his pitch for the movie to Disney CEO Bob Iger today.  The next chapter isn't even a concept anywhere except Abram's mind.  Everything is in play.
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mirth

#151
December 17, 2017, 06:52:14 AM
At least, Lucas had something of a unified vision.
"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus

jamus34

#152
December 17, 2017, 07:18:47 AM
yeah considering how well they've done with the MCU and how poorly the disjointed DCU has done I'm surprised they are taking a slapdash approach to developing the Star Wars property.

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mirth

#153
December 17, 2017, 09:01:20 AM
Angry Joe had some issues with it. I agree with 90% of what he raises.

****SPOILERS IN VIDEO*****


"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus

BanzaiCat

#154
December 17, 2017, 09:36:23 AM Last Edit: December 17, 2017, 09:39:41 AM by BanzaiCat
Saw it last night. I'm glad I'm not the only one that continues to be underwhelemed. I mean, for an action flick it was fine, but I thought there were a lot of slow points in it; the plot exposition dragged ass many times. There was no "whoa" moments at all but plenty of "WTF?" moments, and AJ points out several of them.

Then there's the similarities it has with previous Star Wars films...and how the hell that massive Snoke Star Destroyer could only fire one blast at a time at the escaping transports...and how hundreds of soldiers just happened to be there for the battle...and how Snoke, despite being obviously very powerful was unable to notice the little spinning saber trick (which was cool, but still, how?)...and and and...sigh.

Rogue One has grown on me since it came out, so that one is still my favorite of the (so far) three movies made since two years ago. TLJ wasn't bad at all, it just wasn't impressive either.

mirth

#155
December 17, 2017, 09:44:46 AM
All I know is that my opinion of the prequel movies is actually going up. Plot and character development doesn't seem to matter to JJ Abrams or Rian Johnson anymore than it did to George Lucas.
"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus

BanzaiCat

#156
December 17, 2017, 09:48:14 AM
Quote from: mirth on December 17, 2017, 09:44:46 AM
All I know is that my opinion of the prequel movies is actually going up. Plot and character development doesn't seem to matter to JJ Abrams or Rian Johnson anymore than it did to George Lucas.

Hahahaha...I was thinking EXACTLY this last night..."hmm, maybe I should watch the prequels again..."

mirth

#157
December 17, 2017, 11:11:46 AM
"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus

JasonPratt

#158
December 17, 2017, 11:22:35 AM
Quote from: mirth on December 17, 2017, 06:52:14 AM
At least, Lucas had something of a unified vision.

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mirth

#159
December 17, 2017, 11:23:56 AM
It was more than what has been show in the last two movies.
"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus

jamus34

#160
December 17, 2017, 11:39:41 AM
Quote from: mirth on December 17, 2017, 11:23:56 AM
It was more than what has been show in the last two movies.

You mean this is more than a Disney moneygrab?
Insert witty comment here.

mirth

#161
December 17, 2017, 11:43:18 AM
I was referring to Lucas having something of a unified vision for the first six movies. Last Jedi felt more like a Disney money grab.
"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus

mirth

#162
December 17, 2017, 11:44:44 AM
I can only imagine what the Han Solo movie will be like.

Where's vomit guy? He's needed in more than just the Star Trek threads!
"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus

BanzaiCat

#163
December 17, 2017, 12:01:16 PM
I can't wait for Disney to buy up the companies owning Star Trek rights so we can have a Star Wars - Star Trek crossover! Maybe even add BSG and Dr Who to the mix, too! And the MCU! Woo, I'm getting dizzy.

jamus34

#164
December 17, 2017, 12:09:25 PM
Quote from: BanzaiCat on December 17, 2017, 12:01:16 PM
I can't wait for Disney to buy up the companies owning Star Trek rights so we can have a Star Wars - Star Trek crossover! Maybe even add BSG and Dr Who to the mix, too! And the MCU! Woo, I'm getting dizzy.

Star Wars meets Guardians of the Galaxy and the fight the Cylons.
Insert witty comment here.
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