Field of Glory and questions

Grim.Reaper · July 11, 2016, 06:57:05 PM

Quote from: panzerde on July 11, 2016, 06:27:32 PM
I'm okay with the idea that it's a move to a new engine, and not an upgrade. But there needs to be feature parity with the game that it's replacing before Slitherine turns off the old PBEM servers - which I understand they've already done.

Unfortunately, Slitherine adopted a "get stuffed" attitude a few years back with FoG support (not even answering support emails for a product that was still for sale?). They've declared that the new Unity version is it for this game. They're taking the stance that they didn't get any beta feedback (despite numerous beta testers indicating that they did, indeed, point out the problems with FoG Unity over and over).

There's a single developer working on this who is clearly part-time and clearly struggling - and honestly from some of his responses on the Slitherine forums I'm not sure he's a wargamer (he hasn't seen the need for mousing over a square to tell you what the terrain type is, for example). He doesn't seem to have much UI development experience. He's content to release a game that uses programmer-speak for important settings.

I'm not optimistic.

yep, I have no issue with the move to a new engine, but certainly should not take the game backwards...have been very little comments from the company or developer, which certainly is telling...no idea why they decided to release like it was...unless they are gearing up to release on the mobile devices to capitalize on some quick revenue.

panzerde · July 11, 2016, 06:58:41 PM

Quote from: Grim.Reaper on July 11, 2016, 06:57:05 PM
...no idea why they decided to release like it was...unless they are gearing up to release on the mobile devices to capitalize on some quick revenue.

Going to say you nailed it there...

Boggit · July 11, 2016, 07:47:18 PM

I've now gone back to the original. I'd have liked to have added the two new army books, but sadly it's not an option, as they are designed for the Unity engine. I really do feel that it was a mistake to release the new update in it's current state. For me it seems several steps backward from what we already had, like an unfinished beta.

Sure it gives a cross platform ability, which is good if you haven't got a PC. But for PC owners, it is not up to Slitherine's usual quality.

I know Slitherine are very aware of the issue, and am I am pretty sure they will reflect on, and respond to the strength of feeling within the FoG community. I remain hopeful that this will have a happy ending.

Tamas · July 12, 2016, 04:03:16 AM

Quote from: gameleaper on July 09, 2016, 05:07:43 PM
I have not read to-much back up in the thread, but I just got the new FOG 2, and I found I needed to be online to input my serial, this is a sad day for me as I wanted to be autonamouse and use my games on old PCs not connected to the net, and don't have current antivirus, correct me if I'm wrong but it definatly seemed like I had to be connected to the server to enter my serial.

You do not need to be online to unlock content with your serial numbers.

And it's not FoG2 :P It's FoG Unity.

Grim.Reaper · July 12, 2016, 07:24:21 AM

According to this thread (no idea if all are correct), already 66 items (and growing) identified as possible issues/concerns with the new "FOG Unity" version (since the Slitherine personnel seem to prefer that name, although maybe it should be called "FOG .5") that apparently worked in the original version.....not sure why it bothers me even when I don't have much invested in it, but when a new major update/game is released and very little involvement by the developers and company in the forums, just concerns me and says something about their commitment to it. They have even showed up here twice and selectively responded to one item and preferred to address the name of the update versus all the concerns raised.

http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=72944

gameleaper · July 12, 2016, 08:35:25 AM

If we are being correct, its not FoG Unity, its Field Of Glory Unity, sorry could not resist.

jomni · July 12, 2016, 05:12:46 PM

Quote from: Grim.Reaper on July 12, 2016, 07:24:21 AM
According to this thread (no idea if all are correct), already 66 items (and growing) identified as possible issues/concerns with the new "FOG Unity" version (since the Slitherine personnel seem to prefer that name, although maybe it should be called "FOG .5") that apparently worked in the original version.....not sure why it bothers me even when I don't have much invested in it, but when a new major update/game is released and very little involvement by the developers and company in the forums, just concerns me and says something about their commitment to it. They have even showed up here twice and selectively responded to one item and preferred to address the name of the update versus all the concerns raised.

http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=72944

One thing I don't know as I am not an expert if FoG Ancients rules is are these actually WAD and a more faithful interpretation of rules compared to Old FoG. But the dev is quite silent.

panzerde · July 12, 2016, 05:25:20 PM

If we could get Ancients, Dark Ages, and Medieval versions of Pike & Shot/Sengoku Jidai, I'm not sure I'd even care about this.

Wolfe1759 · July 12, 2016, 05:49:02 PM

Quote from: Grim.Reaper on July 12, 2016, 07:24:21 AM
They have even showed up here twice and selectively responded to one item and preferred to address the name of the update versus all the concerns raised.

This was quite noticeable and in the 6 page thread on their own forums they don't seem to have been any more forthcoming.

I personally haven't played FoG in quite some time but heard about the new version and it got my interest again, then I downloaded it :(

I've been trying to reinstall the original version, got my 1.00 install file, eventually found a 1.81 patch on a patch site but it doesn't seem to be working and locks up on start up.

Guess I'll end up deleting both and just forgetting about it.

jomni · July 13, 2016, 12:51:06 AM

Look at this. The real Field of Glory 2.
http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=72989&sid=05a4068a08b5a8d7794c3436e13f17d4

PanzerFaust · July 13, 2016, 08:25:07 AM

Quote from: jomni on July 13, 2016, 12:51:06 AM
Look at this. The real Field of Glory 2.
http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=72989&sid=05a4068a08b5a8d7794c3436e13f17d4

Very nice!

PanzerFaust · July 13, 2016, 08:26:32 AM

The old FoG is still available by the way it seems: http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=73007

Anguille · July 13, 2016, 08:39:36 AM

That's a cool move O0

magnus · July 13, 2016, 11:30:32 AM

As usual a class act from Sitherine.

There is also a rebate if you bought the new DLC, because they are not compatible with the old FOG.

jomni · July 14, 2016, 04:05:51 AM

Explanation of the FoG family of products by Slitherine

QuoteField of Glory Ancients & Medieval Wargaming Rules - this was the original tabletop game
Field of Glory Digital - this was the PC/Mac game based on the original rules. It is not a direct adaption and has diverged from the rules in numerous ways to suit the PC.
Field of Glory 2.0 Ancients & Medieval Wargaming Rules - this was an amended version of the Tabletop Rules with adjustments and new features
Field of Glory Unity - this is a reworking of Field of Glory Digital. It is almost a direct replica but with slightly different UI and features and in a code base that could be taken forwards. It uses all the art and data from the digital version.
Field of Glory 2 - this is the project Richard Bodley Scott is working on. It is still based on the tabletop system but has further diverged to make more use of the advantages of the PC. The full feature set is yet to be announced. It is all new in terms of UI & graphics and fully 3D. It is written in the Archon engine.