India's Newest Carrier

[mirth]

I think Chinas naval program is geared more as a response to the navies of the US, India, Japan, Australia and all of the other island countries in the region.

That's the problem for China. They're in a pissing contest with pretty much the entire Pacific Rim.

[GDS_Starfury]

and they cant win.  ;D

[Windigo]

and they cant win.  ;D

He's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!


welcome back... hows the dental work/alcohol induced hangover?

[GDS_Starfury]

Ive been posting all morning.

[Windigo]

Ive been posting all morning.

haven't seen you post in the Geeksgonewild thread yet....

[Centurion40]

Back to talking about the carrier...I hadn't realized how much the Russians have been modifying the Kiev class carriers for the Indians.  They took this:



An turned it into this:



The new incarnation can carry up to 24 Mig 29Ks, not an insignificant amount of air power.

Thanks for this post AB.

But it begs the question: if the Indians acquired this ship to help counter the Chinese, where (exactly) are they expecting to face-off against the Chinese?  Certainly not over their actual land locked mountainous border with China.  Do the Indians have a claim over the Spratley's too??!!

Perhaps the Andaman and Nicobar Islands... but there is an Airbus and 737 accessible airport there. Interesting.

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Back to talking about the carrier...I hadn't realized how much the Russians have been modifying the Kiev class carriers for the Indians.  They took this:



An turned it into this:



The new incarnation can carry up to 24 Mig 29Ks, not an insignificant amount of air power.

Thanks for this post AB.

But it begs the question: if the Indians acquired this ship to help counter the Chinese, where (exactly) are they expecting to face-off against the Chinese?  Certainly not over their actual land locked mountainous border with China.  Do the Indians have a claim over the Spratley's too??!!

Perhaps the Andaman and Nicobar Islands... but there is an Airbus and 737 accessible airport there. Interesting.

In other words it's about the ability to block off Pakistan from the sea.

[mirth]

India doesn't have a claim to the Spratly's but they are assisting Vietnam with oil exploration in the region, which displeases China.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/9726916/China-warns-India-on-oil-exploration.html

And keep in mind that China's SLOCs to Mid-East oil run through the Indian Ocean.

[OJsDad]

And keep in mind that China's SLOCs to Mid-East oil run through the Indian Ocean.

That's what I was thinking.  Also, I believe that China imports a lot of raw materials from Africa.  And, India could cut off trade with Europe. 

[mirth]

I find it interesting that with all this carrier building, very few countries can pull off catapult launch systems. Other than us I know the French use them, but is there anyone else doing catapult launches from their carriers these days?  Maybe Brazil?

[OJsDad]

Now that I've thought about it a little more, I have to wonder if a carrier is the best choice for the Indian's to use if they wish to interdict oil going to China.  I would think that subs and long range bombers would be a better investment.  India already has three Mainstays (AWACS).  Purchase a few more of those and some Backfires, or whatever the replacement is for the Backfire, and they could do a lot of damage to shipping going across northern and central Indian Ocean. 

[mirth]

Well the carriers would also provide protection for their own assets and allow for some force projection outside the IO. You make good points though .

[Windigo]

Well the carriers would also provide protection for their own assets and allow for some force projection outside the IO. You make good points though .

nothing says payday to hookers like a carrier arriving at port though

[mirth]

Well the carriers would also provide protection for their own assets and allow for some force projection outside the IO. You make good points though .

nothing says payday to hookers like a carrier arriving at port though

Insightful ;-)

[Windigo]

Well the carriers would also provide protection for their own assets and allow for some force projection outside the IO. You make good points though .

nothing says payday to hookers like a carrier arriving at port though

Insightful ;-)

closer to my observations would be how Brits exercising at CFB Suffield was positively correlated to the number of skanky women in Medicine Hat