I don't usually get involved in the Wargamer.com soap opera, but this thread on BGG caught my eye. It sounds like there's something wrong with Curtis Szmania: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/878171/wargamer-com-the-long-farewell
Man, those guys are harsh...
i assumed everyone was maintaining a diplomatic silence
Isn't Michael Dorosh a fruity nutcake himself?
its been the subject of great debate but i think it pales in the shadow of the 'grand opus'
Oh My God...this is friggin seriously creepy...Dorosh pieced this together.
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Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Workers, Frontkämpfer, National-Socialists, and The German People:
With much sadness, I regretfully announce that I am no longer the Führer of Greater Germany. First, I would like to start off by thanking those who gave me the opportunity to lead this great community, and that would be the People of Greater Germany and the European community. Now, I will go into detail about all the different facets of this job, what we have accomplished together and the amazing people I was able to get to know; and, hopefully, was able to change their lives for the better.
Soldiers, Workers and Members of The European Community:
I have worked for the Greater German community for the last twelve years as Führer, and I have used everything that was in me. I initially came on in early January of 1933. The situation seemed hopeless, the country was unorganized and its spirit was broken. Just prior to this, a reasonable size of its population had been split to other competitor nations (which will remain nameless, although I will mention one whose name does begin with a "F" and it was founded in July of 1789) after November of 1918. This competitor had an army with a aggressive invasion plan, which initiated that transition in our foreign policy. I stepped in during this time and, outside of my job description, reorganized the whole nation and clarified its goals all while maintaining order and quelling any undesirable behavior that sprang up. This was for the benefit of the community, to maintain morale and to banish those who were set to ruin what was already fragile. I also instated medals and insignia for our soldiers so they could post proudly with their achievements. Upon taking this position I immediately founded the Wehrmacht, which significantly lifted spirits within the community. The national focus was Greater Germany's weakest link, and this was where I spent most of my attention, as I knew that foreign help wasn't to arrive for several months (perhaps a year or more).
Government:
The bureacratic team I received upon taking this position was barely ten strong. When I left I had swelled it to nearly fifty, skills spanning the spectrum of the political niche and spanning the globe. During this time I had given many career bureaucrats an opportunity to shine, approached them personally when their skills stood out amongst others for a chance to work for The Führer. I then drafted guidelines and implemented the Battleplan, where writers could see all of the countries available for conquest and assignments available within a private staff section of the Reichschancellery. I then was able to increase the rate of advance from a mediocre five kilometres a week to a resounding 20-25 kilometres a day. These advances weren't just focused on the nations on our borders either, these spanned into the medium, long and extended range plans I wrote of in Mein Kampf. I also initiated new police types; some where the community was able to get involved answering questions about an upcoming round-up (community interview/community AAR). The ideas were endless, and the achievements were great. The invasion schedule was now set and all was working more efficiently than ever before. Deadlines were adhered-to and invasions were planned months in advance. During all of this, I was also taking measures to fix the battle plans that had been published with incorrect completion estimates.
Developers and Designers:
I reached out to developers and designers at an unprecedented level. Bringing them together within our community answering our questions, sponsoring our military and providing armaments for those who liked our Nuremburg laws. I was able to do this not only in person, but also by trading witticisms at Party rallies. I was giving great opportunities to even the smallest of allies, showing them the light of day. My greatest achievement, though, must have been seeking alliances for a community in disrepair. The allies you see now, greatly contrasting with those we've gotten accustomed to over the last decade of our legacy alliances, were initiated and negotiated by myself to bring money in to repair the bomb damage; among other things.
But all of this was to no avail as it would seem that in the end, jealousy and envy would prevail. These envious weren't just the closest of colleagues, as I had been stepping on some toes working outside of my job description (artist), they were also from the enemies of the State. These colleagues, one who happened to be fonder of hanging out at Luftwaffe Headquarters, had secretly made a coalition with the envious management of our enemies. From there on, they were secretly planning my demise. This was because I was a threat to their very survival.
All of this had come to fruition just last week as this covert group sent messages to Allied High Command of stories about me using disciplinary action within the Führerbunker as this group attempted to destroy what little was left of morale and hope of the German community. This secret group, having already given up on Greater Germany, was out to crush the little and fragile community I was attempting to rebuild as they now already had a place of their own (which was suffering by the work I was doing here). At the Führerbunker I was creating a new foundation (out of necessity). This was becoming a nation from which we could all be proud of once again, with dignity and dedicated leadership of unrelenting morale.
Because of these envious I was forced to resign, against my will. In doing so, I feel I have done a great dishonor to the Greater German community, letting them down and fleeing the battlefield during its climax. The last thing I would have wanted was to let the German community down at this very moment, after twelve years of hard work and dedication to rebuild its integrity and to fix something that was once broken. This was a time where leadership was crucial, but unfortunately it has come to an end.
It was an honor for me to serve as your Führer, against insurmountable odds and the envious. I had stood with you on the field of battle, to honor and defend a community nearly two decades old, against those whose interests were only to destroy it. Because of this, it's not me I am worried about; it is you. And it will always be you. Without you, there would have been no reason for me to have done what I have done here over these last twelve years. This is why I can never return, nor will I remain a part of this community. The pain and the sadness are just too great for me to continue to be a part of something that I have worked so hard to improve.
In the future you may have to refer to a resume on occasion, but this won't be a resume of merely words on a piece of paper, it will be the German Reich.
So I ask, at this very moment, not for you to inquire about where I'm going, reply or even bid me farewell. I only ask for your silence and your remembrance in the following weeks of what I've been able to give you.
Take up the sword from where I have left off, and defend the Greater German Reich to the last; because if Greater Germany falls, a part of each and every one of us will also perish.
Farewell, and never stop defending our beliefs.
-A.H.
Führer u. Reichskanzler
...and our friend Curtis...
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Writers, Publishers, Developers, Designers, Moderators, Colleagues, Forum Members, and The Wargamer Community:
With much sadness, I regretfully announce that I am no longer the Editor-in-Chief of The Wargamer. First, I would like to start off by thanking those who gave me the opportunity to lead this great community, and that would be JD McNeil (CEO of Matrix Games / Slitherine) and The Wargamer community. Now, I will go into detail about all the different facets of this job, what we have accomplished together and the amazing people I was able to get to know; and, hopefully, was able to change their lives for the better.
Forum Members, Moderators and Members of The Wargamer Community:
I have worked for The Wargamer community for the last six months as Editor-in-Chief, and I have used everything that was in me. I initially came on in early May of 2012. The situation seemed hopeless, the forum was unorganized and its software was broken. Just prior to this, a reasonable size of its population had migrated to another competitor wargaming online publication (which will remain nameless, although I will mention that its name does begin with a "G" and it was founded in February of 2012) in February-April of that year. This competitor had a site with a working forum, which initiated that transition in our membership. I stepped in during this time and, outside of my job description, reorganized the whole forum and clarified its rules all while maintaining order and quelling any trollish behavior that sprang up. This was for the benefit of the community, to maintain morale and to banish those who were set to ruin what was already fragile. I also instated medals and insignia for our forum members so they could post proudly with their achievements in their signatures. Upon taking this position I immediately founded The Wargamer's Tournament, which significantly lifted spirits within the community. The forum was The Wargamer's weakest link, and this was where I spent most of my attention, as I knew that programmer help wasn't to arrive for several months (perhaps a year or more).
Writers:
The writer team I received upon taking this position was barely ten strong. When I left I had swelled it to nearly fifty, skills spanning the spectrum of the wargaming niche and spanning the globe. During this time I had given many writers an opportunity to shine, approached them personally when their skills stood out amongst others for a chance to write for The Wargamer. I then drafted a writer's guidelines and implemented the "Battleplan", where writers could see all of the products available for review and assignments available within a private staff section of the forums. I then was able to increase the rate of publication from a mediocre five articles a month to a resounding 20-25 articles a month. These articles weren't just focused on the products published by our mother company (Matrix Games / Slitherine) either, these spanned into the board, mobile and miniature wargaming platforms. I also initiated new article types; some where the community was able to get involved asking questions about an upcoming product (community interview/community AAR). The ideas were endless, and the achievements were great. The editorial schedule was now set and all was working more efficiently than ever before. Deadlines were adhered-to and editorial themes were planned months in advance. During all of this, I was also taking measures to fix the articles that had been published with incorrect authors.
Publishers, Developers and Designers:
I reached out to publishers, developers and designers at an unprecedented level. Bringing them together within our community (Ask Forums) answering our questions, sponsoring our tournaments and providing discounts for those who liked our Facebook page. I was able to do this not only in person, but also by trading business cards at gaming conventions. I was giving great opportunities to even the smallest of companies, showing them the light of day. My greatest financial achievement, though, must have been seeking advertising revenue for a community in disrepair. The advertisements you see now, greatly contrasting with those we've gotten accustomed to over the last decade of our mother company's, were initiated and negotiated by myself to bring money in to repair the forum software; among other things. These were multi-thousand dollar deals.
But all of this was to no avail as it would seem that in the end, jealousy and envy would prevail. These envious weren't just the closest of colleagues, as I had been stepping on some toes working outside of my job description (advertising), they were also from the competition. These colleagues, one who happened to be fonder of hanging out over at a competitor online wargaming publication (as mentioned previously above), had secretly made a coalition with the envious management of that very competitor online wargaming publication. From there on, they were secretly planning my demise. This was because I was a threat to their very survival, their advancement within the wargaming industry.
All of this had come to fruition just last Sunday evening as this covert group sent emails to upper management at Matrix Games / Slitherine of stories about me using disciplinary action within the forums as this group attempted to destroy what little was left of morale and hope of The Wargamer community. This "secret" group, having already given up on The Wargamer, was out to crush the little and fragile community I was attempting to rebuild as they now already had a place of their own (which was suffering by the work I was doing here). At The Wargamer I was creating a new foundation (out of necessity). This was becoming a wargaming website from which we could all be proud of once again, with dignity and dedicated leadership of unrelenting morale.
Because of these envious I was forced to resign, against my will. In doing so, I feel I have done a great dishonor to The Wargamer community, letting them down and fleeing the battlefield during its climax. The last thing I would have wanted was to let The Wargamer community down at this very moment, after six months of hard work and dedication to rebuild its integrity and to fix something that was once broken. This was a time where leadership was crucial, but unfortunately it has come to an end.
It was an honor for me to serve as your Editor-in-Chief, against insurmountable odds and the envious. I had stood with you on the field of battle, to honor and defend a community nearly two decades old, against those whose interests were only to destroy it. Because of this, it's not me I am worried about; it is you. And it will always be you. Without you, there would have been no reason for me to have done what I have done here over these last six months. This is why I can never return, nor will I remain a part of this community. The pain and the sadness are just too great for me to continue to be a part of something that I have worked so hard to improve.
In the future I may have to refer to a resume on occasion, but this won't be a resume of merely words on a piece of paper, it will be.
So I ask, at this very moment, not for you to inquire about where I'm going, reply or even bid me farewell. I only ask for your silence and your remembrance in the following weeks of what I've been able to give you.
Take up the sword from where I have left off, and defend The Wargamer to the last; because if The Wargamer falls, a part of each and every one of us will also perish.
Farewell, and never stop wargaming.
-Curtis Szmania
Former Editor-in-Chief of The Wargamer
That is f'd up.
Makes me wonder if Curtis has little swastika's on his undies. :-X
I had been wondering what happened over at WG.com for quite a while now.
The pieces of the puzzle start to make sense now... Weird stuff.
I never thought any of Doresh's posts that I've seen were that bad.. He never seemed to be attacking anyone in his posts.. He just seemed to be hated because he didn't have a love affair with a certain game.
Quote from: Gusington on November 01, 2012, 06:21:04 PM
Isn't Michael Dorosh a fruity nutcake himself?
You aren't the first person on the intrawebs to observe that.
For what it's worth, GrogHeads had nothing to do with Curtis' departure.
I had heard rumors things weren't going well over there, but our site had no role in that.
On a personal level I am saddened he is gone. I never like to hear when someone loses his job.
As for Dorosh - I have no comment.
Quote from: Gusington on November 01, 2012, 06:34:03 PM
That is f'd up.
It is of course not a speech Hitler ever made. Just that guys attempt at humour. I have seen funnier things
I thought the articles, reviews, aar's and other content at wargamer.com had improved since Curt had taken over - so in that sense I'm sorry to see him go. I thought the forums award thing was a little odd - but basically harmless. The forums had some intersting types to say the least. One in particular has some serious anger management issues and many other posters were just infantile - so I didn't frequent the forums very often.
Hope they can weather yet another storm.
Quote from: Tuna on November 01, 2012, 07:05:26 PM
I never thought any of Doresh's posts that I've seen were that bad.. He never seemed to be attacking anyone in his posts.. He just seemed to be hated because he didn't have a love affair with a certain game.
I actually found his basic core argument quite lucid. What was disturbing was his fanaticism and unhealthy obsession on trotting out those arguments every time combat mission was mentioned in any forum, review, political attack ad, carved into a tree trunk etc you name it.
As for Curtis I read the piece posted by jarhead and not knowing the guy I would have said its a great piece of editorial satire worthy of the Onion. For those of you who know him do you think this essay really reflects his personality?
Con
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Quote from: Al on November 01, 2012, 07:58:49 PM
I thought the articles, reviews, aar's and other content at wargamer.com had improved since Curt had taken over - so in that sense I'm sorry to see him go. I thought the forums award thing was a little odd - but basically harmless.
I'm curious why Curtis was let go given the improvements he made. Was he given the opportunity to correct whatever perceived shortcomings he had with Slitherine management?
As for his forum style, not everyone likes every mod's style. That's the way it goes. Some folks don't like how we run things here. Fine. I get it. Most of the problem WG had was because their forum software didn't work. It took Slitherine months to get some software that at least mostly worked. That's hardly Curtis' fault.
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Quote from: Al on November 01, 2012, 07:58:49 PM
I thought the articles, reviews, aar's and other content at wargamer.com had improved since Curt had taken over - so in that sense I'm sorry to see him go. I thought the forums award thing was a little odd - but basically harmless.
I'm curious why Curtis was let go given the improvements he made. Was he given the opportunity to correct whatever perceived shortcomings he had with Slitherine management?
As for his forum style, not everyone likes every mod's style. That's the way it goes. Some folks don't like how we run things here. Fine. I get it. Most of the problem WG had was because their forum software didn't work. It took Slitherine months to get some software that at least mostly worked. That's hardly Curtis' fault.
Dont ever go there much. But had been frequenting more often lately as there were some interesting articles appearing on a regular basis. Seems odd they would want to get rid if he was actually making the place better. Guess it was a people thing then. the world would be a great place if it wernt for all the people in it.
Quote from: Con on November 01, 2012, 07:58:58 PM
As for Curtis I read the piece posted by jarhead and not knowing the guy I would have said its a great piece of editorial satire worthy of the Onion. For those of you who know him do you think this essay really reflects his personality?
Con
Con, in all seriousness, I am one of the easiest persons to get along with you will ever know. That's not just coming from me, I've heard that for years. In a successful management career, one of my trademarks was that I almost always had the lowest turnover of any unit or division in the company I was working for. There were reasons for that and I'm proud of that record.
I loved the WG'er and had been on the board since '06. I will state plainly that I left the Wargamer as a writer, as a contributor and as a moderator for one reason and one reason only: Curtis. He was insufferable, impossible to work with, and his ego wrote checks that his ability couldn't cash. Even if you ignore his resignation letter, go back and read what he wrote about the Grognard medal. The guy was so full of himself, it's incredible! From the way he talked, you would think that he molded the Wargamer from clay, then breathed life into it. Everything about the Wargamer was about him. Sorry, I meant to write HIM, because that's how he came off. I can deal with a lot of personality types, but condescending is not one of them. To take the Biblical analogy a step further, ever notice that he was the only admin/moderator
ever who felt the need for large red script whenever he spoke?
I'm being frank here, and please understand that this is my opinion and is not intended to reflect any position of Grogheads or anyone else. But that's my take on it, unfiltered.
Quote from: Steelgrave on November 01, 2012, 08:17:53 PM
Quote from: Con on November 01, 2012, 07:58:58 PM
As for Curtis I read the piece posted by jarhead and not knowing the guy I would have said its a great piece of editorial satire worthy of the Onion. For those of you who know him do you think this essay really reflects his personality?
Con
Con, in all seriousness, I am one of the easiest to get along with people you will ever know. That's not just coming from me, I've heard that for years. In a successful management career, one of my trademarks was that I almost always had the lowest turnover of any unit or division in the company I was working for. There were reasons for that and I'm proud of that record.
I loved the WG'er and had been on the board since '06. I will state plainly that I left the Wargamer as a writer, as a contributor and as a moderator for one reason and one reason only: Curtis. He was insufferable, impossible to work with, and his ego wrote checks that his ability couldn't cash. Even if you ignore his resignation letter, go back and read what he wrote about the Grognard medal. The guy was so full of himself, it's incredible! From the way he talked, you would think that he molded the Wargamer from clay, then breathed life into it. Everything about the Wargamer was about him. Sorry, I meant to write HIM, because that's how he came off. I can deal with a lot of personality types, but condescending is not one of them. To take the Biblical analogy a step further, ever notice that he was the only admin/moderator ever who felt the need for large red script whenever he spoke?
I'm being frank here, and please understand that this is my opinion and is not intended to reflect any position of Grogheads or anyone else. But that's my take on it, unfiltered.
Steelie, you and I have had discussions privately and I was aware of your feelings on this.
What I'm not clear on is whether Slitherine ever gave Curtis a chance to course correct. In speaking with him earlier this week it seemed as though this came out of the blue. Basic management principles dictate that he should have been given clear goals and the chance to correct any inability to meet them. I'm not sure if Curtis was given that chance.
This whole thing is just bizarre.
I have had virtually no interaction with Curtis whatsoever. By the time he took over on the Wargamer, I had long grown tired of the site and migrated over here. But what does it say about a person that he feels that need to post that...let's go with dramatic...final post on pretty much every forum he could find, complaining of secret cabals out to get him? There are better ways to get attention.
All that this does is stir up another round of BS animosity between this site and Wargamer. Are there people here who don't particularly like that site, and vice versa? Sure. Doesn't mean there needs to be a ridiculous turf war. And all that he's done is stir that up with his rambling nonsense about a shadowy group from here that was out to get him...something that DOES NOT EXIST. Grow up, dude. I understand that it sucks to be let go from a position you enjoy, but that doesn't excuse this ridiculous scapegoating nonsense. Unless you truly believe that this site apparently has the ability to force Slitherine-Matrix to do whatever we want them to do...in which case, could we please get a new Steel Panthers? Now! I demand it at once!
Quote from: LongBlade on November 01, 2012, 08:26:54 PM
What I'm not clear on is whether Slitherine ever gave Curtis a chance to course correct. In speaking with him earlier this week it seemed as though this came out of the blue. Basic management principles dictate that he should have been given clear goals and the chance to correct any inability to meet them. I'm not sure if Curtis was given that chance.
I have no idea, LB, but I suspect that the turmoil on the board, coupled with the many members who have left was the major impetus for Curtis being fired. You know the numbers. Folks who had been at the WG'er for years, who had tens of thousands of posts between them, left. No doubt some of that was out of frustration over a broken interface, which JH and I struggled with while we were mods (while having no power to fix it). I have no inside knowledge, I just know why I left.
I agree with your assessment; from a management perspective, course corrections were needed and firing a guy out of the blue isn't ideal. In fact, it often speaks of a lack of attention from ownership. But occasionally a business will have an employee or manager who is so destructive that immediate action is demanded. To me, that's Curtis.
Scott parino is a reasonable guy, and I do not think he would just jump at the opportunity to fire, or play a role in firing curtis without good cause. Afterall, a great deal of scott's reputation hung in the balance of curtis's performance. It was scott who was tasked with finding and selecting his replacement as E-I-C of the wg, and he chose curtis. Knowing what I know of curtis, I can almost guaranty, that he responded like a total asshole when he was approached with critisism. That is was probably most directly led to his termination.
As far as the Hitler speech goes, if Dorosh made that up and it is in fact not attributable to hitler, then that is EXTREMELY messed up, and I apologize to curtis and anyone else who was offended for reposting it. I do not know Dorosh outside of his battlefront conflict and did not do any research before reposting. Shame on me....
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As far as the Hitler speech goes, if Dorosh made that up and it is in fact not attributable to hitler, then that is EXTREMELY messed up, and I apologize to curtis and anyone else who was offended for reposting it. I do not know Dorosh outside of his battlefront conflict and did not do any research before reposting. Shame on me....
If Dorosh made that up....he has way too much time on his hands and frankly is more creative than I would have given him credit for.
On a lighter note, the latest incarnation of Azz has completely hijacked that thread with his psuedo-gay banter between him and Ghostrider. Some things truly never change.
I had posted in R&P just a few days ago and this Curtis guy went in there and edited it. I didn't attack or slander anyone. He just didn't care what I wrote and stated I couldn't talk about the moderation of the forums. And it was more of a question on my part having been gone for so long.
Then I did some research. I looked at some threads that had been closed by Curtis, as well as some open ones, and noticed the word BANNED under several peoples' names. It was like walking around those lost on a battlefield after a poorly executed operation.
I don't know the guy personally, but I think he needs serious help. He comes across as a loose cannon that someone should really keep an eye on. He may have done a lot of good things for The Wargamer, but they were completely overshadowed by his megalomania within the forums. And that's reason enough to get the axe.
curtiss is A grade dips**t. the cockweasle comes in and thinks he knows how to mod a forum thats done just fine self modding itself thank you very much. you just dont magicly understand over a decades worth of forum personalities and relationships. the ass monkeys that have cropped up and the asshats that have always been there are overrunning the place like weeds. Im particularly pissed that his getting fired happend when Im banned.
oh how I want to throw jet fuel on that fire!
I realize some folks may not have liked Curtis' style, but let's please refrain from using personal insults and name calling.
I never get to have fun!
.....goes off to pout in a corner.
Ive got Opus riding the Space Shuttle dropping bombs.
Im itching for a fight.
come to think of it...
if it wasnt for Bloom Country and Monty Python I might have ended up normal.
THANK GOD that didnt happen!
I second Bloom County and Monty Python!
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Quote from: Tuna on November 01, 2012, 07:05:26 PM
I never thought any of Doresh's posts that I've seen were that bad.. He never seemed to be attacking anyone in his posts.. He just seemed to be hated because he didn't have a love affair with a certain game.
That was always my thoughts...I never saw anything hate related from him and know of his "love/hate" for Battlefront and their new versions of Combat Mission games (which I love btw)
My comments on the Wargamer and I will leave it at that.
I've really had a cursory exposure to all of this drama. And I will frankly phrase it as that. I in all honesty do not come here to vicariously live the excitement others may feel from anything outside of wargaming. This is why I left the Matrix forums. I have been a member of this forum for about 10 or 12 years. My first forum character or name if you will for some reason was lost to me(Sheytan), and I tried to recliam him a number of occasions, to no avail. Yet I still come back here because I love one thing above all...wargaming.
I have contributed to this forum directly or obliquely, via AARs written or by making scenarios and posting them in games depot. My name is Frank Kontowicz, you can find them under that name.
I am personally disappointed that this forum cannot as a function stay on "topic". This is likely why a number of people have left and im spend time on two forums now. This is a shame, there is no reason this "community" cannot gather at one local and enjoy what we all wish to share...our fellowship and interests as they were.
At any rate although I have no idea why Curtis was let go, and frankly it is none of my business, the forum did come to life again with much more information and content bieng displayed in respect to gaming.
I salute you, my fellow wargamers, may Mars bless you.
Frank Kontowicz AKA Sheytan Seytan.
I might be thick here and I normally would not really care (hence my absense here for quite a while due to my obliviousness of what was going on), but the more I read the more I am curious to find out what the answers are to a few questions I had for a long time:
Azzurri has been posting under more aliases on the same forum? Which names did he use? O_O
All the drama people can make on the internet... jeez.
i remember the incident when Curtis showed up here in his fuction of EoC and perkily tried to lure trafic to his page with just a link ...and the dicussion that followed here
i wrote on September 24 this rant, and of course, i stick to it.
...if the editor in chief of The Wargamer would join here as just another wargaming fellow (with a nick) and point out an interesting topic in another forum (even the one he steamed with flank speed into an iceberg ...and most passengers had to evacuate to GrogHeads) that would be great!
but just another bad PR-idea on the job ...to get some traffic to the front page is a no-go
like spamming his own forum with links to the front page-articles and news every given day, cloaking the good last-24h-activity-screen function with stuff you just happened to read.
even mild critical annotations over-there are not wanted, the forum-software still doesn't work as advertised, trolls and their sock-puppets roam free, long time moderators resign because they didn't get fire-support when they do the job they volunteered for... and the guy runnig the show has developed IMHO community-managing-skills like a blend of the Soup Nazi from Seinfeld and an Interrogation robot from the Death Star's arsenal...
The over-all experience, the vibes are gone... and that's a pity! and still makes me upset sometimes when i have to witness the next Fail.
-end of rant-
oh and i had to to witness more fails
- the long time service medal
- the What Atrocities Has The Holocaust Overshadowed thread
IMHO: Curtis lacked any empathy how his group of customer is actually structured and ticking
Wargamers are in the majority mature man (of any age) , some with silver hair, some just start rising kids, some even grandchildren, some vets of severall wars (who earned real Medals in RL!), some even get shelled and shot at by the RL-enemy ...or criminals at the 'home front' (Thank You for your service), the very day when they are not happen to lock-on to a wargaming site. All have responsibilitiess in RL: starting businesses, handling hazard materials and dangerous machines (or humans), you-name-it...
Does those kind of customers like to be treated like preschool toddlers from a hall-monitor, who think's he is the principal? I don't think so. Does those customers get a hard-on on kindergarten-style virtual medals precentation ceremonies?
Concerning that 'Holocaust' thread: Was Curtis even aware that some of his customers were Jewish and lost family in the Holocaust, and some customers live in Israel, and still have to fight for the very existence of their state on the map on a daily basis. Would someone with a minimum of common sense without real necessity start a discussion which can only attract trolls and worse and let it dangle in the open to bait for month, on his employers website?
Curtis has tremendouse writing skill, especially when it comes to phatos / the actor's heroics
maybe we read a best selling novel from him in the future, or he will work as a ghost-writer for ppl, who need a 'William Wallace speech' for their corporate anniversary banquet... Good luck on your future activities.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on November 02, 2012, 03:26:39 AM
Quote from: Tuna on November 01, 2012, 07:05:26 PM
I never thought any of Doresh's posts that I've seen were that bad.. He never seemed to be attacking anyone in his posts.. He just seemed to be hated because he didn't have a love affair with a certain game.
That was always my thoughts...I never saw anything hate related from him and know of his "love/hate" for Battlefront and their new versions of Combat Mission games (which I love btw)
Edit ... apologies - have deleted.
{moderator hat on}
This thread is pretty close to running its course. DicedT asked about the Curtis sob story. Let's not turn it into a venue for personal attacks against people who aren't even here, nor a springboard for personal vendettas elsewhere. Thank you.
{party hat back on}
Quote from: Arctic Blast on November 01, 2012, 08:28:58 PM
This whole thing is just bizarre.
I have had virtually no interaction with Curtis whatsoever. By the time he took over on the Wargamer, I had long grown tired of the site and migrated over here. But what does it say about a person that he feels that need to post that...let's go with dramatic...final post on pretty much every forum he could find, complaining of secret cabals out to get him? There are better ways to get attention.
All that this does is stir up another round of BS animosity between this site and Wargamer. Are there people here who don't particularly like that site, and vice versa? Sure. Doesn't mean there needs to be a ridiculous turf war. And all that he's done is stir that up with his rambling nonsense about a shadowy group from here that was out to get him...something that DOES NOT EXIST. Grow up, dude. I understand that it sucks to be let go from a position you enjoy, but that doesn't excuse this ridiculous scapegoating nonsense. Unless you truly believe that this site apparently has the ability to force Slitherine-Matrix to do whatever we want them to do...in which case, could we please get a new Steel Panthers? Now! I demand it at once!
Right on man!
No attacks from me. I just find it interesting.
If its not going to be revealed. Fine with me as well. :)
Quote from: Yskonyn on November 02, 2012, 10:35:52 AM
No attacks from me. I just find it interesting.
If its not going to be revealed. Fine with me as well. :)
I'm not sure what you're waiting to hear revealed.
My understanding is that after ignoring what was happening at WG since Curtis was hired, in the last couple of weeks Slitherine started to ask around. They heard some things they didn't like and, rather than asking Curtis to try and fix things, they just fired him.
That's what I heard. Dunno if it's true, but I have several sources who tell me similar stories so it sounds about right.
Clearly there are some folks here who didn't like his style. That's not surprising - there are folks on other boards who don't like my style. That doesn't mean there was a conspiracy out to get him, just that he wasn't universally liked. Most mods aren't. It goes with the territory.
Quote from: LongBlade on November 02, 2012, 11:40:20 AM
...there are folks on other boards who don't like my style...
Well, in all fairness to them, you are a butthead.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 02, 2012, 11:42:52 AM
Quote from: LongBlade on November 02, 2012, 11:40:20 AM
...there are folks on other boards who don't like my style...
Well, in all fairness to them, you are a butthead.
"Pencil dick" is my preferred insult of choice.
^That was sharp and to the point, LB
Oh, no. Not this again...
I'll need to sharpen my wits if I'm going to try and keep up with you.
Mwhahahahaha.
Quote from: LongBlade on November 02, 2012, 11:40:20 AM
I'm not sure what you're waiting to hear revealed.
Nothing about Curtis at all.
I am just now seeing some hints about 'the next incarnation of Az'. There had been several outlashes over at WG over the years about some pathetic person(s) relogging under a new nickname.
I was wondering wether 'Az' was 'Azzurri' and then what these other names have been.
Not to attack anyone or beat a dead horse, just my own curiosity. :D Cause I never figured it out at that time.
Quote from: Yskonyn on November 02, 2012, 03:16:36 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on November 02, 2012, 11:40:20 AM
I'm not sure what you're waiting to hear revealed.
Nothing about Curtis at all.
I am just now seeing some hints about 'the next incarnation of Az'. There had been several outlashes over at WG over the years about some pathetic person(s) relogging under a new nickname.
I was wondering wether 'Az' was 'Azzurri' and then what these other names have been.
Not to attack anyone or beat a dead horse, just my own curiosity. :D Cause I never figured it out at that time.
Ah, sorry I misunderstood you.
Azz has several IDs over at WG. Masterandcommander is one. Bungrider is another.
He's not difficult to spot.
he was PurpleHelmetedWarrior and TheRoos, too
Curtis' note is quite revealing as to how the very thing - personalities - that makes the interwebnets such an interesting place to visit can also be its greatest weakness.
My exodus from the wg'er started in the BG (Before Grogheads) era and was specifically a reaction to some of the more challenging posters (Azz, believe it or not, not being one of them). The wg'er remains a source of some very good articles and reviews, and some of the ancillary resources (opponent finder, buy / sell, etc) are great features and important "value adds" to the wargaming community.
Unfortunately, the clash of forum personalities began to rival those of the Triumvirate or the Year of the 5 Emperors, and it was perhaps inevitable that Rome should fall. I am much relieved to see that no-one from this community played a hand or perpetuated any malfeasance (perhaps not the right word) against the wg'er or its staff.
Taking the high-ground, be it moral or tactical, always behooves a wargamer.
Yours in gaming,
Jack Nastyface
Doesnt he go by Pinning now as well?
Con
Quote from: Con on November 02, 2012, 04:32:49 PM
Doesnt he go by Pinning now as well?
Con
No. Azz != Pining.
Pining is from down under. He's not especially fond of guns and sometimes shows up to joust about how Americans shouldn't have them.
Azz, AFAIK, never has had an issue with the 2nd Amendment.
Hmz. *stroking non existant beard* Interesting revelations.
Weird hobbies some people have.
But hey; Jerry Springer convinced me that there is always something even more awkward out there. :-X
Quote from: Yskonyn on November 02, 2012, 05:21:57 PM
Hmz. *stroking non existant beard* Interesting revelations.
Weird hobbies some people have.
But hey; Jerry Springer convinced me that there is always something even more awkward out there. :-X
Dude, Azzurri could fill a week on Springer, with a different persona (and matching accessories) for each show.
Quote from: Con on November 02, 2012, 04:32:49 PM
Doesnt he go by Pinning now as well?
Con
No.
That would be a misconception based on the belief that if he disagrees with a particular belief, he must be the same person, as there could only be one.
Quote from: LongBlade on November 02, 2012, 04:40:53 PM
Quote from: Con on November 02, 2012, 04:32:49 PM
Doesnt he go by Pinning now as well?
Con
No. Azz != Pining.
Pining is from down under. He's not especially fond of guns and sometimes shows up to joust about how Americans shouldn't have them.
Azz, AFAIK, never has had an issue with the 2nd Amendment.
A little bit incorrect, Longblade.
I have no issue at all with guns. They are a beautiful tool. In the hands of a fully trained expert they are an art form.
I have a huge issue about the hands into which they are given to.
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 06:47:55 PM
I have a huge issue about the hands into which they are given to.
Such as law-abiding citizens
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2012, 06:51:14 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 06:47:55 PM
I have a huge issue about the hands into which they are given to.
Such as law-abiding citizens
Yep.
Looking at your avatar, it might apply to you.
Law abiding and an IQ level less than your tooth count.
If you guys want to fight he 182763464th Holy War of Gun Control (TM), please start a new thread rather than hijack this one. Thanks!
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 06:58:41 PM
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2012, 06:51:14 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 06:47:55 PM
I have a huge issue about the hands into which they are given to.
Such as law-abiding citizens
Yep.
Looking at your avatar, it might apply to you.
Law abiding and an IQ level less than your tooth count.
Your whit and charm have followed you over from Wargamer. You sure you're not Azz?
Pining, the word is mightier than the sword (gun)
see Curtis, he lived by the sword and died by the word ;)
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2012, 07:00:03 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 06:58:41 PM
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2012, 06:51:14 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 06:47:55 PM
I have a huge issue about the hands into which they are given to.
Such as law-abiding citizens
Yep.
Looking at your avatar, it might apply to you.
Law abiding and an IQ level less than your tooth count.
Your whit and charm have followed you over from Wargamer. You sure you're not Azz?
Yes.
I would like to believe I'm more eloquent!
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 07:09:59 PM
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2012, 07:00:03 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 06:58:41 PM
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2012, 06:51:14 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 06:47:55 PM
I have a huge issue about the hands into which they are given to.
Such as law-abiding citizens
Yep.
Looking at your avatar, it might apply to you.
Law abiding and an IQ level less than your tooth count.
Your whit and charm have followed you over from Wargamer. You sure you're not Azz?
Yes.
I would like to believe I'm more eloquent!
Bad news, Princess.
Quote from: MikeGER on November 02, 2012, 07:05:15 PM
Pining, the word is mightier than the sword (gun)
see Curtis, he lived by the sword and died by the word ;)
Hello Mike,
Whatever you say, or believe, about Curtis, there were no weapons involved (unless you want to believe in the metaphorical 'stab to the back.'
I believed in the way he dealt with everyone equally.
I altered my posts to benefit from that.
I won under his system. Don't ever think that meant he liked me. I had conversation with him. Not much. I told him what I was about and as long as I kept to the rules, I would expect to continue on.
Curtis was even to everyone. To me, no matter how harsh, that is my perfect playing field.
As to the word is mightier than the sword.
Only a well thought out word, said in the right place. Even then, the best word can't help once the sword has done it's work.
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2012, 07:11:42 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 07:09:59 PM
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2012, 07:00:03 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 06:58:41 PM
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2012, 06:51:14 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 06:47:55 PM
I have a huge issue about the hands into which they are given to.
Such as law-abiding citizens
Yep.
Looking at your avatar, it might apply to you.
Law abiding and an IQ level less than your tooth count.
Your whit and charm have followed you over from Wargamer. You sure you're not Azz?
Yes.
I would like to believe I'm more eloquent!
Bad news, Princess.
Ha!
To be honest, you don't strike as the best judge. (No offence intended)
Quote from: bayonetbrant on November 02, 2012, 06:59:07 PM
If you guys want to fight he 182763464th Holy War of Gun Control (TM), please start a new thread rather than hijack this one. Thanks!
I suppose every rule needs an exception. I guess this could be the one single thread that stays on topic.
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2012, 07:11:42 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 07:09:59 PM
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2012, 07:00:03 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 06:58:41 PM
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2012, 06:51:14 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 06:47:55 PM
I have a huge issue about the hands into which they are given to.
Such as law-abiding citizens
Yep.
Looking at your avatar, it might apply to you.
Law abiding and an IQ level less than your tooth count.
Your whit and charm have followed you over from Wargamer. You sure you're not Azz?
Yes.
I would like to believe I'm more eloquent!
Bad news, Princess.
Eloquent. Now there's a word.
I don't know that I can say I've paid much thought to your or Azz's eloquence. You're both well spoken in your own way.
However, I give the edge to you, Pining. Azz is banned here for bad behavior. You're not :)
Quote from: LongBlade on November 02, 2012, 07:32:39 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on November 02, 2012, 06:59:07 PM
If you guys want to fight he 182763464th Holy War of Gun Control (TM), please start a new thread rather than hijack this one. Thanks!
I suppose every rule needs an exception. I guess this could be the one single thread that stays on topic.
I accept this line of discussion is not about gun control. Just as I can accept Jarhead knows in his heart that too many ignorant fools have access to guns......
........................................Oops! Sorry!
(only joking!)
Quote from: LongBlade on November 02, 2012, 07:36:08 PM
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2012, 07:11:42 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 07:09:59 PM
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2012, 07:00:03 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 06:58:41 PM
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2012, 06:51:14 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 06:47:55 PM
I have a huge issue about the hands into which they are given to.
Such as law-abiding citizens
Yep.
Looking at your avatar, it might apply to you.
Law abiding and an IQ level less than your tooth count.
Your whit and charm have followed you over from Wargamer. You sure you're not Azz?
Yes.
I would like to believe I'm more eloquent!
Bad news, Princess.
Eloquent. Now there's a word.
I don't know that I can say I've paid much thought to your or Azz's eloquence. You're both well spoken in your own way.
However, I give the edge to you, Pining. Azz is banned here for bad behavior. You're not :)
You know I'm not Azz. From your own thought process.
Quote from: LongBlade on November 02, 2012, 07:32:39 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on November 02, 2012, 06:59:07 PM
If you guys want to fight he 182763464th Holy War of Gun Control (TM), please start a new thread rather than hijack this one. Thanks!
I suppose every rule needs an exception. I guess this could be the one single thread that stays on topic.
Figures it would be this thread to stay on topic. If ever a thread needed half-nekkid women...
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 07:36:41 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on November 02, 2012, 07:32:39 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on November 02, 2012, 06:59:07 PM
If you guys want to fight he 182763464th Holy War of Gun Control (TM), please start a new thread rather than hijack this one. Thanks!
I suppose every rule needs an exception. I guess this could be the one single thread that stays on topic.
I accept this line of discussion is not about gun control. Just as I can accept Jarhead knows in his heart that too many ignorant fools have access to guns......
........................................Oops! Sorry!
(only joking!)
Clearly you're not Azz. Your passive-aggressive baiting is far more in the style of Wodin.
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2012, 07:38:59 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on November 02, 2012, 07:32:39 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on November 02, 2012, 06:59:07 PM
If you guys want to fight he 182763464th Holy War of Gun Control (TM), please start a new thread rather than hijack this one. Thanks!
I suppose every rule needs an exception. I guess this could be the one single thread that stays on topic.
Figures it would be this thread to stay on topic. If ever a thread needed half-nekkid women...
No doubt.
So I broke into our Lingerie Network and came up with this.
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi289.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fll237%2FCaptRoddy%2Fcorset.jpg&hash=ad6ef21b35ca920abc995d976dd6fd2925d83aea)
^That is SO Gusington's steampunk wet dream.
Quote from: LongBlade on November 02, 2012, 07:32:39 PMI guess this could be the one single thread that stays on topic.
I don't care if it stays on topic, just as long as it doesn't wander to
that topic...
Quote from: bayonetbrant on November 02, 2012, 07:47:04 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on November 02, 2012, 07:32:39 PMI guess this could be the one single thread that stays on topic.
I don't care if it stays on topic, just as long as it doesn't wander to that topic...
Why? What's wrong with THAT topic???
Quote from: LongBlade on November 02, 2012, 07:45:43 PM
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi289.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fll237%2FCaptRoddy%2Fcorset.jpg&hash=ad6ef21b35ca920abc995d976dd6fd2925d83aea)
^Ok....wow! Girl of my dreams material there, LB 8)
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 02, 2012, 07:46:55 PM
^That is SO Gusington's steampunk wet dream.
Not just Gussy. I'll duel him for her!
Quote from: Steelgrave on November 02, 2012, 07:48:54 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 02, 2012, 07:46:55 PM
^That is SO Gusington's steampunk wet dream.
Not just Gussy. I'll duel him for her!
Swords or pistols? Either way, I do NOT want to watch...
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 02, 2012, 07:50:04 PM
Quote from: Steelgrave on November 02, 2012, 07:48:54 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 02, 2012, 07:46:55 PM
^That is SO Gusington's steampunk wet dream.
Not just Gussy. I'll duel him for her!
Swords or pistols? Either way, I do NOT want to watch...
He gets the sword, I get the pistol. Only fair, I'm older ;D
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 02, 2012, 07:50:04 PM
Quote from: Steelgrave on November 02, 2012, 07:48:54 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 02, 2012, 07:46:55 PM
^That is SO Gusington's steampunk wet dream.
Not just Gussy. I'll duel him for her!
Swords or pistols? Either way, I do NOT want to watch...
No pistols. Brant doesn't want
guns tools-that-must-not-be-named discussed in this thread.
Finally this thread is starting to make some sense.
My bad. I get a sharp stick then, Gussy gets a rolled up newspaper.
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2012, 07:41:39 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 07:36:41 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on November 02, 2012, 07:32:39 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on November 02, 2012, 06:59:07 PM
If you guys want to fight he 182763464th Holy War of Gun Control (TM), please start a new thread rather than hijack this one. Thanks!
I suppose every rule needs an exception. I guess this could be the one single thread that stays on topic.
I accept this line of discussion is not about gun control. Just as I can accept Jarhead knows in his heart that too many ignorant fools have access to guns......
........................................Oops! Sorry!
(only joking!)
Clearly you're not Azz. You're passive-aggressive baiting is far more in the style of Wodin.
If I disagree with you, I must be a specific person as, surely the majority of people wouldn't disagree with my ignorant beliefs. They are MINE!!
I have seen the name Wodin. I know nothing more.
Passive aggressive....I need to remain non-aggressive for my posts to get posted. I am well aware that some of the 'People' on here have control complex issues.
I 'dance' to my own tune.
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 07:54:55 PM
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2012, 07:41:39 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 07:36:41 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on November 02, 2012, 07:32:39 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on November 02, 2012, 06:59:07 PM
If you guys want to fight he 182763464th Holy War of Gun Control (TM), please start a new thread rather than hijack this one. Thanks!
I suppose every rule needs an exception. I guess this could be the one single thread that stays on topic.
I accept this line of discussion is not about gun control. Just as I can accept Jarhead knows in his heart that too many ignorant fools have access to guns......
........................................Oops! Sorry!
(only joking!)
Clearly you're not Azz. You're passive-aggressive baiting is far more in the style of Wodin.
If I disagree with you, I must be a specific person as, surely the majority of people wouldn't disagree with my ignorant beliefs. They are MINE!!
I have seen the name Wodin. I know nothing more.
Passive aggressive....I need to remain non-aggressive for my posts to get posted. I am well aware that some of the 'People' on here have control complex issues.
I 'dance' to my own tune.
We've moved on from this nonsense. Ogle the steampunk chick.
Yet you continue to post.
(I'm having a little lagg in this site. Is it me or are we suffering an issue at the moment?)
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 08:01:08 PM
Yet you continue to post.
(I'm having a little lagg in this site. Is it me or are we suffering an issue at the moment?)
A couple of minutes ago it looked like it might have stuttered. Looks good now.
^Sorry, I was downloading porn and slowed the entire internet down. I'll lay off for awhile.
Quote from: LongBlade on November 02, 2012, 08:05:49 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 08:01:08 PM
Yet you continue to post.
(I'm having a little lagg in this site. Is it me or are we suffering an issue at the moment?)
A couple of minutes ago it looked like it might have stuttered. Looks good now.
Musta been all the excitement over the Steampunk Bionic Woman.
Quote from: Steelgrave on November 02, 2012, 08:07:25 PM
^Sorry, I was downloading porn and slowed the entire internet down. I'll lay off for awhile.
No worries. I'm going to try this again.
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthechive.files.wordpress.com%2F2012%2F07%2Fflbp-replace.jpeg%3Fw%3D500&hash=a2e37bfaf64116ac3eabb062819f4e57765e864a)
Quote from: Steelgrave on November 02, 2012, 08:07:25 PM
^Sorry, I was downloading porn and slowed the entire internet down. I'll lay off for awhile.
Go nuts man, it's your birthday!
Quote from: LongBlade on November 02, 2012, 08:08:01 PM
Quote from: Steelgrave on November 02, 2012, 08:07:25 PM
^Sorry, I was downloading porn and slowed the entire internet down. I'll lay off for awhile.
No worries. I'm going to try this again.
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthechive.files.wordpress.com%2F2012%2F07%2Fflbp-replace.jpeg%3Fw%3D500&hash=a2e37bfaf64116ac3eabb062819f4e57765e864a)
That should take the site down for an hour or so.
Quote from: LongBlade on November 02, 2012, 08:08:01 PM
Quote from: Steelgrave on November 02, 2012, 08:07:25 PM
^Sorry, I was downloading porn and slowed the entire internet down. I'll lay off for awhile.
No worries. I'm going to try this again.
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthechive.files.wordpress.com%2F2012%2F07%2Fflbp-replace.jpeg%3Fw%3D500&hash=a2e37bfaf64116ac3eabb062819f4e57765e864a)
...............Why did you bring my daughter into this Longblade?
The steampunk babe [which has been plastered all over this site thankfully] really and truly looks like The Wife. Thusly, I will need to duel Steelie with wet egg noodles at dawn. Once I win the duel I can move on and figure out where to get The Wife an actual outfit that looks similar.
Quote from: Gusington on November 02, 2012, 08:14:12 PM
The steampunk babe [which has been plastered all over this site thankfully] really and truly looks like The Wife. Thusly, I will need to duel Steelie with wet egg noodles at dawn. Once I win the duel I can move on and figure out where to get The Wife an actual outfit that looks similar.
We can settle this peacefully if your wife has a sister. A sister with the same outfit anyway 8)
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 07:54:55 PM
I need to remain non-aggressive for my posts to get posted. I am well aware that some of the 'People' on here have control complex issues.
I 'dance' to my own tune.
Will you just knock it off with the baiting already. Great to have you posting here, just stop it with the insinuations already. Everybody knows who you're talking about and everybody knows how you feel...and nobody here cares, so please, drop it and lets all have some fun.
My issues with this whole 'war' can be dropped down to:
I am neither left or right. I am happy for people to air their veiws as long as they are happy for me to laugh at them. I object to moderators telling me what my political views should be and judging any discussion on their own political views, and treating people accordingly.
This is why I have little time for Jarhead. In other circumstances..................I'll leave it.
Jarhead is an aggressive orator and so am I.
Good luck to you all in the future.
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 08:19:05 PM
My issues with this whole 'war' can be dropped down to:
I am neither left or right. I am happy for people to air their veiws as long as they are happy for me to laugh at them. I object to moderators telling me what my political views should be and judging any discussion on their own political views, and treating people accordingly.
This is why I have little time for Jarhead. In other circumstances..................I'll leave it.
Jarhead is an aggressive orator and so am I.
Good luck to you all in the future.
You do the same thing you accuse me of. Aren't we just two peas in a pod?
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 08:19:05 PM
Jarhead is an aggressive orator and so am I.
does this mean you both use your teeth? or you dont ask for permission?
Quote from: undercovergeek on November 02, 2012, 08:22:27 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 08:19:05 PM
Jarhead is an aggressive orator and so am I.
does this mean you both use your teeth? or you dont ask for permission?
LMFAO!
^Yea...that was good. :D
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 02, 2012, 08:18:50 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 07:54:55 PM
I need to remain non-aggressive for my posts to get posted. I am well aware that some of the 'People' on here have control complex issues.
I 'dance' to my own tune.
Will you just knock it off with the baiting already. Great to have you posting here, just stop it with the insinuations already. Everybody knows who you're talking about and everybody knows how you feel...and nobody here cares, so please, drop it and lets all have some fun.
HA!
I'd like to discuss life with you one day Jarhead. In a no 'audience' atmosphere.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 02, 2012, 08:21:13 PM
Aren't we just two peas in a pod?
That has cause me some bitter contemplation.
On the whole, I reackon you're a bigger arsehole than me.
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 08:26:25 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 02, 2012, 08:18:50 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 07:54:55 PM
I need to remain non-aggressive for my posts to get posted. I am well aware that some of the 'People' on here have control complex issues.
I 'dance' to my own tune.
Will you just knock it off with the baiting already. Great to have you posting here, just stop it with the insinuations already. Everybody knows who you're talking about and everybody knows how you feel...and nobody here cares, so please, drop it and lets all have some fun.
HA!
I'd like to discuss life with you one day Jarhead. In a no 'audience' atmosphere.
OK. Beers are on you.
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 08:30:13 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 02, 2012, 08:21:13 PM
Aren't we just two peas in a pod?
That has cause me some bitter contemplation.
On the whole, I reackon you're a bigger arsehole than me.
I may be a bigger asshole, but you're a bigger prick.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 02, 2012, 08:30:43 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 08:26:25 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 02, 2012, 08:18:50 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 07:54:55 PM
I need to remain non-aggressive for my posts to get posted. I am well aware that some of the 'People' on here have control complex issues.
I 'dance' to my own tune.
Will you just knock it off with the baiting already. Great to have you posting here, just stop it with the insinuations already. Everybody knows who you're talking about and everybody knows how you feel...and nobody here cares, so please, drop it and lets all have some fun.
HA!
I'd like to discuss life with you one day Jarhead. In a no 'audience' atmosphere.
OK. Beers are on you.
Any time. You're paying for the taxi!
(The current beer is Coopers 62)
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 08:30:13 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 02, 2012, 08:21:13 PM
Aren't we just two peas in a pod?
That has cause me some bitter contemplation.
On the whole, I reackon you're a bigger arsehole than me.
Unwad your panties, Princess.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 02, 2012, 08:32:13 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 08:30:13 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 02, 2012, 08:21:13 PM
Aren't we just two peas in a pod?
That has cause me some bitter contemplation.
On the whole, I reackon you're a bigger arsehole than me.
I'd prefer to leave it as I'm a more classy type of prick.
I may be a bigger asshole, but you're a bigger prick.
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2012, 08:33:47 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 08:30:13 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 02, 2012, 08:21:13 PM
Aren't we just two peas in a pod?
That has cause me some bitter contemplation.
On the whole, I reackon you're a bigger arsehole than me.
Mirth, Can you say something funny?
Unwad your panties, Princess.
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 08:37:08 PM
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2012, 08:33:47 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 08:30:13 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 02, 2012, 08:21:13 PM
Aren't we just two peas in a pod?
That has cause me some bitter contemplation.
On the whole, I reackon you're a bigger arsehole than me.
Mirth, Can you say something funny?
Unwad your panties, Princess.
Dunno. Can you use the quote feature correctly?
Hey. Now that everyone here has agreed they can trade insults let's move on.
Quote from: LongBlade on November 02, 2012, 08:39:17 PM
Hey. Now that everyone here has agreed they can trade insults let's move on.
More half-nekkid women please.
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2012, 08:40:04 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on November 02, 2012, 08:39:17 PM
Hey. Now that everyone here has agreed they can trade insults let's move on.
More half-nekkid women please.
From your personal collection in Lingerie Channel, Mirthie...
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^I do have excellent taste.
Quote from: Gusington on November 02, 2012, 08:14:12 PMfigure out where to get The Wife an actual outfit that looks similar.
http://www.pyramidcollection.com/ShopCategory.aspx?id=51,2678&dispRow=336
you're welcome
Let me guess.."Your honour...she SAID she was eighteen!"
Quote from: Longdan on November 02, 2012, 10:39:14 PM
Let me guess.."Your honour...she SAID she was eighteen!"
Which is why I prefer them to be at least 28 ;)
Quote from: LongBlade on November 02, 2012, 08:45:56 PM
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Ja....Ja...Ja....Jesus!!!!
I hate it when they make me stutter!!!
Holy bolas...
Quote from: Steelgrave on November 03, 2012, 12:13:01 AM
Ja....Ja...Ja....Jesus!!!!
I hate it when they make me stutter!!!
If you do it in the right place, it's called motorboating.
Quote from: LongBlade on November 02, 2012, 10:42:04 PMQuote from: Longdan on November 02, 2012, 10:39:14 PMLet me guess.."Your honour...she SAID she was eighteen!"
Which is why I prefer them to be at least 28 ;)
Zone of Creepiness (http://www.scienceofrelationships.com/home/2011/10/4/the-dating-equation-your-age-7.html) in age differences
Quote from: Al on November 01, 2012, 07:58:49 PM
I thought the articles, reviews, aar's and other content at wargamer.com had improved since Curt had taken over - so in that sense I'm sorry to see him go. I thought the forums award thing was a little odd - but basically harmless. The forums had some intersting types to say the least. One in particular has some serious anger management issues and many other posters were just infantile - so I didn't frequent the forums very often.
Hope they can weather yet another storm.
Your capsule description could be applied at times to most of the forums dedicated to conflict simulation - the last three or four pages of this thread are also an indication of why Curtis probably thought strict moderation was a good direction for the Wargamer to be going...
As I pointed out over at boardgamegeek in my thoughts there on the subject, he definitely has enthusiasm towards the subject and the hobby/industry, and is not unskilled as a writer. I think one can extend it pretty easily to detect a certain passion for the subject, but conclude that it wasn't always applied appropriately.
I had dealings with him off-forum regarding some writing projects. I won't betray any confidences, but my impression of him was that he was either young, or had some maturing to do (someone here mentioned "ego", and whether you call it "ego" or confidence, he was self-assured in the extreme), and I don't think that is talking out of turn, since his farewell letter (and the act of posting it in multiple locations) pretty much reveal that.
He poured a great deal of energy and thought into what he was doing - it's too bad for him it didn't work out. I am usually in favour of strong moderation on message boards - when done appropriately - but I think he was doing as much harm as good in his methods. I'd disagree that the goofy awards etc. were "harmless". Sure, users can ignore them, but they can also persuade people that the forum is juvenile and not worth their time, and they'll simply find one with an atmosphere they prefer. Certainly, the way they were "bestowed", with the site admin talking about them as if they were actual military achievements, had a greater tendency to polarize people than if they simply sprang up in a user's profile page.
I hope he turns things around as he obviously has a lot to contribute. People in life tend to make their own luck so I would not be surprised to see his name somewhere else - or, perhaps, if he's clever, adopt a new online name, lose the attitude, and adopt a new online persona that is more low-key, and start over. He may be here already for all we know.
Quote from: undercovergeek on November 02, 2012, 08:22:27 PM
Quote from: Pining on November 02, 2012, 08:19:05 PM
Jarhead is an aggressive orator and so am I.
does this mean you both use your teeth? or you dont ask for permission?
HA!
My thanks to
undercovergeek for my first laugh-out-loud moment of the weekend! :D
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on November 03, 2012, 05:10:27 AM
Quote from: Steelgrave on November 03, 2012, 12:13:01 AM
Ja....Ja...Ja....Jesus!!!!
I hate it when they make me stutter!!!
If you do it in the right place, it's called motorboating.
...And my thanks to
SDR for my second. :)
Mike Dorosh,
I took great issue with what you posted on BGG regarding this site. I have been a longtime fan and several year contributor and member to BGG and I always cross-posted by review videos here and there. So I don't see any reason for a ginned up competition between BGG and "those blog review sites" like you stated on BGG. As a community, we are stronger for cooperation between different types of media and I have actively pushed for a link between BGG and Grogheads. I don't make any money off of my videos, and I rarely get review copies (most of what I review, I buy myself), so this is a labor of love and I have no interest in withholding shared information from another active board gaming community.
Just an FYI.
Quote from: son_of_montfort on November 03, 2012, 10:18:32 AM
Mike Dorosh,
I took great issue with what you posted on BGG regarding this site. I have been a longtime fan and several year contributor and member to BGG and I always cross-posted by review videos here and there. So I don't see any reason for a ginned up competition between BGG and "those blog review sites" like you stated on BGG. As a community, we are stronger for cooperation between different types of media and I have actively pushed for a link between BGG and Grogheads. I don't make any money off of my videos, and I rarely get review copies (most of what I review, I buy myself), so this is a labor of love and I have no interest in withholding shared information from another active board gaming community.
Just an FYI.
I have no idea what you're referring to, but it's certainly not anything I said about Grogheads.com. In fact, I posted the opposite of what you are saying.
If you want to start an inter-forum war - which I think would be a pointless endeavour - you'd do well to get your facts straight, which would necessitate leaving my name out of it.
In the interest of clarity:
http://boardgamegeek.com/article/10423343#10423343
The only comments I made about this site:
QuoteThanks for that. I've posted there once or twice as well but had quite forgotten about it. They seem to have kind of the same approach - i.e. "blog" style news stories about industry/hobby news, linked to a general interest style forum. I think BGG benefits from being a smaller part of a larger whole.
...
Those sites obviously cater to a clientelle with an appetite for that kind of atmosphere, so again, not trying to make this a competition. I just haven't found a lot compelling about them.
Not sure, then, what it is you think you read.
You may be confused by my later comments about Wargamer.com.
QuoteBack on the topic of wargamer.com - my renewed interest in the site in the last few months was when I noticed some of their reviews. I've posted responses to those reviews, but, at least for the products I've been interested in, there hasn't been a lot of discussion. Even the reviewers never came back to talk about their own reviews.
I didn't realize they were being paid. Don't know if I was responding to paid reviews or not. But I wonder the incentive is less to come back and "chat" once the money is in the pocket.
Not seeing a lot of engagement, I stopped reading the reviews.
Again, not seeing how this relates to Grogheads, or what it has to do with a "competition". I don't see any. I posted my opinion on reading reviews at Wargamer.com that were identified as being done by paid reviewers. The comments may have application here in the sense that responses to reviews are just as likely to go unread or generate as little real discussion. A look at the "feedback" forum here at Grogheads will show relatively little engagement between authors and readers, compared to other areas of the site. That's not a criticism, it's an observation, and it's certainly not a phenomenon confined to any particular site. I think it's too bad, frankly, that so many well-written reviews generate so little discussion despite the obvious fact that so many people have a lot of free time on their hands. I guess they feel they know more about motorboating and are more comfortable contributing their knowledge in that area of expertise.
Quote from: Michael Dorosh on November 03, 2012, 12:37:33 PMThe comments may have application here in the sense that responses to reviews are just as likely to go unread or generate as little real discussion. A look at the "feedback" forum here at Grogheads will show relatively little engagement between authors and readers, compared to other areas of the site. That's not a criticism, it's an observation, and it's certainly not a phenomenon confined to any particular site. I think it's too bad, frankly, that so many well-written reviews generate so little discussion despite the obvious fact that so many people have a lot of free time on their hands. I guess they feel they know more about motorboating and are more comfortable contributing their knowledge in that area of expertise.
We have several experts in motorboating. We have masters in Scottish Highland technique, Canadian Rockies technique, and Appalachian Trail technique amongst others. The fact that they are also experts in wargaming but prefer to agree in silence with our wargaming reviews should not be taken as a net minus in our forumites' quality.
Quote from: LongBlade on November 03, 2012, 12:56:21 PM
Quote from: Michael Dorosh on November 03, 2012, 12:37:33 PMThe comments may have application here in the sense that responses to reviews are just as likely to go unread or generate as little real discussion. A look at the "feedback" forum here at Grogheads will show relatively little engagement between authors and readers, compared to other areas of the site. That's not a criticism, it's an observation, and it's certainly not a phenomenon confined to any particular site. I think it's too bad, frankly, that so many well-written reviews generate so little discussion despite the obvious fact that so many people have a lot of free time on their hands. I guess they feel they know more about motorboating and are more comfortable contributing their knowledge in that area of expertise.
We have several experts in motorboating. We have masters in Scottish Highland technique, Canadian Rockies technique, and Appalachian Trail technique amongst others. The fact that they are also experts in wargaming but prefer to agree in silence with our wargaming reviews should not be taken as a net minus in our forumites' quality.
youll have to forgive Michael his sporradic posting, its not often he manages to get away from the perfect wargame he designed and established himself, and he finds it difficult to get away from his admin duties on his own perfectly done forum..... oh no thats right, im sorry, he doesnt do either, he instead visits other forums telling them what theyre doing wrong until they eventually slam the door in his face.
if he walked in on you and Mrs Dorosh he'd tell you what you were doing wrong
^Cut the guy some slack. He's served in the Canadian Army since 1987 and he is still only a Corporal. And Terminal Lances think they have it bad?
i honestly respect anything he writes, and read with interest topics Michael posts about in which he is an expert or at least a very informed hobbyist - but for me personally, writing on a forum is a priviliege afforded me by being a guest of its owners - it doesnt give me a right to pass opinion on its maintenance, style, running or the other inhabitants here
Mike, you managed to cut out the part of that quote that irritated me (in bold below). I'm not sure, "in the interest of clarity" why you would remove a key piece of your quote:
Quote
Thanks for that. I've posted there once or twice as well but had quite forgotten about it. They seem to have kind of the same approach - i.e. "blog" style news stories about industry/hobby news, linked to a general interest style forum. I think BGG benefits from being a smaller part of a larger whole.
Ironic, given all the complaints from people who feel neglected by BGG. I really don't want to reopen that debate, but I think there is a very useful resource on this site, and it benefits by its relationship to the larger whole in many ways that are only made obvious by looking at what goes on at other sites.
Those sites obviously cater to a clientelle with an appetite for that kind of atmosphere, so again, not trying to make this a competition. I just haven't found a lot compelling about them.
The "what goes on at other sites" bit followed by the "those sites cater to a clientele with an appetite for that kind of atmosphere" was a implication that there is some sort of turf war between our "sorts of sites" and BGG. I actively participate there (i.e. enriching the BGG experience with content drawn directly from Grogheads) and it is the opinion of the management staff here that sharing with places like BGG, Consimworld, and 2d6.org makes all of us stronger.
If you are referring to the forums - I do not find the BGG forums to be any more eclectic, erudite or welcoming than here. In fact, I've seen some of the most flagrant "protect the turf" mentality coming out of some of the BGG wargaming forums (mention Kickstarter there and how it is better than P500, I dare you).
Anyway, I was - perhaps - too sensitive. Given that I am the typical liaison between Grogheads and BGG, I don't like my efforts to be so dismissed like that. Odd you claim I was trying to start an inter-forum war, when it was you - in fact - that posted about us and our actions on BGG without knowing a damn thing about them.
Quote from: undercovergeek on November 03, 2012, 03:13:37 PM
for me personally, writing on a forum is a priviliege afforded me by being a guest of its owners - it doesnt give me a right to pass opinion on its maintenance, style, running or the other inhabitants here
Sure it does. Just don't expect us to listen too much. Especially if you're not a certified expert in one of the nine classical styles of motorboating.
Quote from: LongBlade on November 03, 2012, 05:54:16 PM
Quote from: undercovergeek on November 03, 2012, 03:13:37 PM
for me personally, writing on a forum is a priviliege afforded me by being a guest of its owners - it doesnt give me a right to pass opinion on its maintenance, style, running or the other inhabitants here
Sure it does. Just don't expect us to listen too much. Especially if you're not a certified expert in one of the nine classical styles of motorboating.
i can show you what i can do with my index finger and my lips if you want
Is that what all the kids are now calling 'Librarian Style'?
Quote from: undercovergeek on November 03, 2012, 06:03:17 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on November 03, 2012, 05:54:16 PM
Quote from: undercovergeek on November 03, 2012, 03:13:37 PM
for me personally, writing on a forum is a priviliege afforded me by being a guest of its owners - it doesnt give me a right to pass opinion on its maintenance, style, running or the other inhabitants here
Sure it does. Just don't expect us to listen too much. Especially if you're not a certified expert in one of the nine classical styles of motorboating.
i can show you what i can do with my index finger and my lips if you want
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Quote from: undercovergeek on November 03, 2012, 06:03:17 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on November 03, 2012, 05:54:16 PM
Quote from: undercovergeek on November 03, 2012, 03:13:37 PM
for me personally, writing on a forum is a priviliege afforded me by being a guest of its owners - it doesnt give me a right to pass opinion on its maintenance, style, running or the other inhabitants here
Sure it does. Just don't expect us to listen too much. Especially if you're not a certified expert in one of the nine classical styles of motorboating.
i can show you what i can do with my index finger and my lips if you want
At last it's getting interesting again!
More tricks with fingers please!
^as the actress said to the bishop.
Quote from: LongBlade on November 03, 2012, 12:56:21 PM
Quote from: Michael Dorosh on November 03, 2012, 12:37:33 PMThe comments may have application here in the sense that responses to reviews are just as likely to go unread or generate as little real discussion. A look at the "feedback" forum here at Grogheads will show relatively little engagement between authors and readers, compared to other areas of the site. That's not a criticism, it's an observation, and it's certainly not a phenomenon confined to any particular site. I think it's too bad, frankly, that so many well-written reviews generate so little discussion despite the obvious fact that so many people have a lot of free time on their hands. I guess they feel they know more about motorboating and are more comfortable contributing their knowledge in that area of expertise.
We have several experts in motorboating. We have masters in Scottish Highland technique, Canadian Rockies technique, and Appalachian Trail technique amongst others. The fact that they are also experts in wargaming but prefer to agree in silence with our wargaming reviews should not be taken as a net minus in our forumites' quality.
The Down Under technique.....................
Quote from: LongBlade on November 03, 2012, 12:56:21 PM
We have masters in Scottish Highland technique,
Hoots mon LB, just back from the tossing, caber that is. Funny enough there seems to be a lot of tossers about who want to dictate where I look and post.
As usual, I have next to no idea what is going on. I got a direct email from Curtis because I had a review I have been working on for an expansion of PanzerCorps. It came from out of blue. This was unexpected.
I have done reviews for multiple wargame sites - and they tend to wax and wane in terms of useful content/reviews and forum participation.
Wargamer fell really low in terms of new content for quite a while. Curtis in recent months had encouraged a lot of content and reviews - many of which I found to be interesting. Grogheads has also picked up in terms of reviews and original content.
Armchairgeneral has had very little useful gaming content - aside from the supurb youtube "howto" videos of the combat mission game. Those are simply outstanding.
The "pay" for reviews is not very much - $25 a pop. You seldom get a hard copy of the game. I usually just buy my own copies since the pay for reviews is not worth deeply exploring a game unless I really like it. I generally write a review only after playing for a week or more - sometimes for a month or longer. I do reviews usually to organize my thoughts about a game. I pull them back out when I'm going to play a new game for a while.
I'm sorry for whatever happened to Curtis simply because it may endanger the amount of new reviews/useful content on wargamer.
People tend to take a lot of this stuff to seriously. I wish it did not happen - but it does.
Quote from: airboy on November 04, 2012, 06:23:33 PM
As usual, I have next to no idea what is going on. I got a direct email from Curtis because I had a review I have been working on for an expansion of PanzerCorps. It came from out of blue. This was unexpected.
The simple answer is Curtis was fired by Slitherine. Grogheads had no influence on that decision. I am personally saddened by his dismissal, and professionally confused - Curtis had done much to improve their content. It is a strange decision.
QuoteArmchairgeneral has had very little useful gaming content - aside from the supurb youtube "howto" videos of the combat mission game. Those are simply outstanding.
Agreed. Those are excellent.
Unfortunately, when I joined ACG, 90% of their readership was in their forums, and the gaming activity in the forums was negligible. Spending a year there trying to promote gaming on ACG resulted in no change - ACG readers aren't interested in gaming despite the fact that the management is. There are some great writers over there. Unfortunately they lack much of an audience to appreciate it.
Airboy,
for me it doesn't matter how good a meal is cooked in a dress-code restaurant, when the waitress is treating customers like toddlers around the sandbox, while failing to get rid of the kicked-out bullies, who never actualled have eaten there, but sneaked in each day in a new costume to molest the customers having a digestif.
The 'don't talk with waitress about the service of the waitress, or you will get pulled by the ears from the playground like a toddler by the evil governess, doesn't helped much to to improve the situation.
No wonder what happend when finally Le Patron find out, that he has leather-bound menue carte full of excellent dishes, but his restaurant keeps empty more and more ...and regulars switch to frequent other fancy eateries... like "Chez Grogs" - 5-star wargaming discussions, for example ;) ...next to other places in town.
The Wargamer is an add-front for Matrix/Slitherein, which btw is absolute OK, when you know this fact.
But you never knew how the frontpage stuff got /or got not 'moderated'.
I allways prefer the private first opinion of wargamers i know over years, posted in the WG's forum threads.
In addition i almost had the games in question already, after reading those forum threads, when the official review appears on the frontpage some good time later. Well, for 'still on the fence decisions' browsing through just an additional review or AARs published at WG, next to all the other sources, is a good thing. Even so reviews allways have to be taken cum grano salis.
The same thoughts I posted to the thread at BGG
Today's rank according to Alexa:
BoardgameGeek:
Global Rank: 6,183 Traffic Rank in US: 2,751 Sites Linking In: 9,159
Matrix Games:
Global Rank: 66,787, US Rank: 44,194, Sites Linking In: 915
Wargamer.com:
Global Rank: 125,909, US Rank: 68,529, Sites Linking In: 744
Gamesquad.com:
Global Rank: 220,564, US rank: 61,563, Sites Linking In: 183
Consimworld:
Global Rank: 359,062, US Rank: 160,298, Sites Linking In: 410
Grognard.com:
Global Rank: 1,923,150, No US ranking, Sites Linking In: 435
GrogHeads.com:
Global Rank: 271,235, US ranking: 42,422, Sites Linking In: 43
GrogHeads has been open less than a year, with a front page that started running reviews/articles in April, and the US ranking is ahead of Matrix, Wargamer.com, CSW, and GameSquad, and that's with only 43 sites linking into it.
It is stomping on the planet? No. Hardly. But it's gone from nothing to something in remarkably short time, and there are some people out there who don't really like that, and see it as a 'threat' to whatever their favorite corner of the internet is.
Personally, I think the web is big enough for all of us, and you can find a comfortable community if you look hard enough. And if you can't find one, you start one. That's what we did with GrogHeads, and it appears as though there's at least a few other people out there that like the way we're doing things.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
What does this mean for GrogHeads?
A few things -
1. We need to bump the international audience. Youse guys in the UK, Germany, Far East, etc - start dragging in some friends! And if you don't have any, then start dragging in some strangers!
2. We need more sites linking into us. Y'all need to get your friends, family, neighbors, fellow gamers, and places of employment to put large and prominent links to GrogHeads on their homepages. Someone needs to hack all those political campaign sites out there and get GrogHeads links in place of all those annoying attack ads.
3. Most importantly - GET THE WORD OUT. People rarely stumble across that which they didn't know existed without having it drop in front of them somehow. You gotta tell people about GH. Link to the articles from Facebook. Email friends and say "hey, check out this article! I thought you'd like it!" Post elsewhere on the web with "hey, there's this interesting conversation at GH - what do y'all think?" and get them involved. We want to be as awesome and informative and fun and entertaining and big (roughly in that order! ;) ) as we can, but we need your help to do it.
Thanks for everything so far - and he's to what's yet to come (https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1081.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj349%2Flongblade%2FSmilies%2Fviking4.gif&hash=064a8eb601ca2fb5cd3ef76c17b6bc3686ccfede)
Is there any money in the handbag at all? Maybe sponsor a small con or even a stand at a big one, sponsor a competition thatll drag in people from places unknown at the moment? Sponsor a boardgame at bgg that everyone plays here? Do unto them as they did unto you and post 'hey if you're interested in....' posts at WG. Promote a HEALTHY contest between the sites be it a board game competition or online game and let all them see all us. Cross it over to matrix too if poss
Figure painting competition from every figure painting site you can find?
Model painting?
Small forum for indie wargamers and carry the grog heads name on it
I dunno I'm just thinking aloud
Maybe I'm naive - but I have never had the substance of a review or a comment on a game/game review altered by any editor or any site.
I have been pretty blunt in my criticism of PanzerCorps AfrikaKorps. This came out in my review and also on comments on this forum and the wargamer forum. But none of this commentary was edited. Originally the wargamer partisans panned some of my observations - but they eventually backed down and now state that some of the criticisms I made about really poor documentation of game features would not be repeated.
I'm sorry if some/most of you were treated badly.
I also did not buy the claim Curtis made that people were actively trying to destroy one forum or another.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on November 05, 2012, 08:25:25 AM
The same thoughts I posted to the thread at BGG
Today's rank according to Alexa:
BoardgameGeek:
Global Rank: 6,183 Traffic Rank in US: 2,751 Sites Linking In: 9,159
Matrix Games:
Global Rank: 66,787, US Rank: 44,194, Sites Linking In: 915
Wargamer.com:
Global Rank: 125,909, US Rank: 68,529, Sites Linking In: 744
Gamesquad.com:
Global Rank: 220,564, US rank: 61,563, Sites Linking In: 183
Consimworld:
Global Rank: 359,062, US Rank: 160,298, Sites Linking In: 410
Grognard.com:
Global Rank: 1,923,150, No US ranking, Sites Linking In: 435
GrogHeads.com:
Global Rank: 271,235, US ranking: 42,422, Sites Linking In: 43
GrogHeads has been open less than a year, with a front page that started running reviews/articles in April, and the US ranking is ahead of Matrix, Wargamer.com, CSW, and GameSquad, and that's with only 43 sites linking into it.
Impressive numbers. Bravo!
The idea of attracting more of an international audience is admirable.
I think so because I do not live in USA! USA!.
A more international and less provincial outlook would help achieve this goal.
While many members have a rather broad outlook and plenty of editorial evidence
of this visible...other members do not and are very vocal both here and over at Wargamer.
I hope some will think about this before telling me to p*ss off and die in a fire.
If you want an insular and like-thinking community you can get it easily.
As a Good Example I am optomistic about Bayonetbrant's influence...over at GrogNEWS he has hosted all
sorts of stuff from all over the world over the years. I am sad he hardly ever posts over at the other place.
Just what I think. I do not purport to represent anyone else.
cheers
In light of the 'sob' story another bait has been posted at WG. ::)
http://wargamer.com/forums/posts.asp?t=585159
Quote from: Longdan on November 05, 2012, 12:38:18 PM
I am sad he hardly ever posts over at the other place.
Why don't you just post more here then?
Quote from: Longdan on November 05, 2012, 12:38:18 PM
As a Good Example I am optomistic about Bayonetbrant's influence...
Wow... pretty sure I've
never heard that before... ;D
Don't be silly..either of you.
Quote from: Longdan on November 05, 2012, 05:00:18 PM
Don't be silly..either of you.
Brant is almost as silly as I am, which is saying something.
I started following Wargamer.com ten years ago to the month after I purchased my first computer and got online at 26kbs. As I was learning how to navigate the web I found it as a link on some sight describing WWII German armor I believe. I am somewhat an introvert and work crazy construction hours. So even though I followed the forums everyday I didn't feel as if I had anything to contribute until 2006 when I registered as Spacecowboy67 and made my first post. Needless to say I've watched the site evolve over the years for better and worse and have enjoyed the great reviews, commentary and opinions of people that I now find in preponderance on Grogheads. As I have broke away from my well worn site I also have with my forum name.
I am home.
Sparhawk
Quote from: Sparhawk on November 05, 2012, 10:31:51 PMhave enjoyed the great reviews, commentary and opinions of people that I now find in preponderance on Grogheads. As I have broke away from my well worn site I also have with my forum name.
I am home.
Sparhawk
Anyone with an Eddings-inspired forum name is good in my book :)
Welcome!
Quote from: Sparhawk on November 05, 2012, 10:31:51 PM
I started following Wargamer.com ten years ago to the month after I purchased my first computer and got online at 26kbs. As I was learning how to navigate the web I found it as a link on some sight describing WWII German armor I believe. I am somewhat an introvert and work crazy construction hours. So even though I followed the forums everyday I didn't feel as if I had anything to contribute until 2006 when I registered as Spacecowboy67 and made my first post. Needless to say I've watched the site evolve over the years for better and worse and have enjoyed the great reviews, commentary and opinions of people that I now find in preponderance on Grogheads. As I have broke away from my well worn site I also have with my forum name.
I am home.
Sparhawk
Many of us have had long, circuitous journeys. Welcome.
Sparhawk, good to see you here. And isn't it LeGuin, not Eddings?
geez - and now the drama is expanding over there
Quote from: MetalDog on November 05, 2012, 10:55:38 PMSparhawk, good to see you here. And isn't it LeGuin, not Eddings?
Sparhawk is the protagonist of the Elenium series from Eddings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elenium).
I read them the summer of '90 when I was Eurailing my way around Germany & France.
Le Guin is Sparrowhawk. From The Earthsea Trilogy.
Quote from: Longdan on November 05, 2012, 05:00:18 PM
Don't be silly..either of you.
You're asking someone here not to be silly?
I think we'd die if we tried to stop! ;D
Quote from: LongBlade on November 05, 2012, 10:53:34 PM
Many of us have had long, circuitous journeys. Welcome.
This whole thing has gone completely over my head, since I was barely aware of the other site's existence at all, and certainly never visited their forum. I'm only here because SoM made me! It was quite an opportune conversation though, because I'd just quit another forum after falling out with half the membership. :D
Anyway. Sorry, I believe you were all calling each other names and stuff. Carry on!
For some reason I've never read the Elenium series from Eddings. Someone did mention to me once how they enjoyed the story. Le Guin is one of my favorite authors and I once had such a crush on her daughter Caroline. As a teenager I wondered if Sparhawk could have developed from Sparrowhawk. But truth be told my Grandmothers side of the family are Sparhawks, and specifically her father's name was Lafayette Sparhawk. He went by Lafe. He's always captured my imagination and every fantasy ranger I've ever created has been called Lafe Sparhawk. Well I ramble, but there you have where my unique name comes from.
Sparhawk
^^ works for me :)
Quote from: Sparhawk on November 06, 2012, 02:59:53 PM
For some reason I've never read the Elenium series from Eddings. Someone did mention to me once how they enjoyed the story. Le Guin is one of my favorite authors and I once had such a crush on her daughter Caroline. As a teenager I wondered if Sparhawk could have developed from Sparrowhawk. But truth be told my Grandmothers side of the family are Sparhawks, and specifically her father's name was Lafayette Sparhawk. He went by Lafe. He's always captured my imagination and every fantasy ranger I've ever created has been called Lafe Sparhawk. Well I ramble, but there you have where my unique name comes from.
Sparhawk
Cool story, bro. No sarcasm intended.
and now Rimmer has chimed in there, too...
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/878171/wargamer-com-the-long-farewell/page/4
Brant, who's won the election? Surely as one of the leaders of the Grognati you already know ;)
Mirth, be real!
He doesn't know who WON the election.
He chose the winner!
Knowing and telling are two different things...
From a recent meeting of the Grognati
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_uLEl_Km4s5c%2FTQEfjQa6OYI%2FAAAAAAAAAVU%2FCclRjO3zLBA%2Fs1600%2FStonecutters.jpg&hash=c1e1f5d3c455eee09be3d57fc7852aac5ceb3bb9)
Quote from: bayonetbrant on November 06, 2012, 07:12:21 PM
and now Rimmer has chimed in there, too...
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/878171/wargamer-com-the-long-farewell/page/4
See the latest post in that thread?
QuoteIt's all part of the vast chit-wing conspiracy.
Heh.
Quote from: mirth on November 06, 2012, 07:31:35 PM
From a recent meeting of the Grognati
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_uLEl_Km4s5c%2FTQEfjQa6OYI%2FAAAAAAAAAVU%2FCclRjO3zLBA%2Fs1600%2FStonecutters.jpg&hash=c1e1f5d3c455eee09be3d57fc7852aac5ceb3bb9)
Hey! I resemble that remark!
Quote from: LongBlade on November 06, 2012, 07:36:27 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on November 06, 2012, 07:12:21 PM
and now Rimmer has chimed in there, too...
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/878171/wargamer-com-the-long-farewell/page/4 (http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/878171/wargamer-com-the-long-farewell/page/4)
See the latest post in that thread?
QuoteIt's all part of the vast chit-wing conspiracy.
Heh.
Courtesy of moi :)
Quote from: LongBlade on November 06, 2012, 07:37:01 PM
Quote from: mirth on November 06, 2012, 07:31:35 PM
From a recent meeting of the Grognati
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_uLEl_Km4s5c%2FTQEfjQa6OYI%2FAAAAAAAAAVU%2FCclRjO3zLBA%2Fs1600%2FStonecutters.jpg&hash=c1e1f5d3c455eee09be3d57fc7852aac5ceb3bb9)
Hey! I resemble that remark!
That's you to the left of Homer, isn't it?
Quote from: mirth on November 06, 2012, 07:40:53 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on November 06, 2012, 07:37:01 PM
Quote from: mirth on November 06, 2012, 07:31:35 PM
From a recent meeting of the Grognati
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_uLEl_Km4s5c%2FTQEfjQa6OYI%2FAAAAAAAAAVU%2FCclRjO3zLBA%2Fs1600%2FStonecutters.jpg&hash=c1e1f5d3c455eee09be3d57fc7852aac5ceb3bb9)
Hey! I resemble that remark!
That's you to the left of Homer, isn't it?
Honestly, I get dizzy trying to decide who I am there. They're all so wonderful in their own way. I could be any of them.
Or all of them (https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1081.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj349%2Flongblade%2FSmilies%2Fdarkside.gif&hash=c8b1792bfa676e629083ac251933b3739a46ab84)
wodin is and always has been a tool.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 06, 2012, 07:48:59 PM
wodin is and always has been a tool.
Sir, that is an insult to tools.
not if theyre broken and rusty and get made in china.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 06, 2012, 07:54:53 PM
not if theyre broken and rusty and get made in china.
Following the election returns, I'd say this race is too close to call right now.
ya.... that was a pretty rapid catch up.
The Republicans just got off work.
florida is flip flopping all over the place.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 06, 2012, 08:32:00 PM
florida is flip flopping all over the place.
Shades of 2000. Wonder how many times the networks will call it and switch.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 06, 2012, 07:48:59 PM
wodin is and always has been a tool.
The problem is, people at BGG don't know him from any other tool in the shed, so they don't know that he's failed at every forum he's ever tried to jump into
Quote from: bayonetbrant on November 06, 2012, 10:24:03 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 06, 2012, 07:48:59 PM
wodin is and always has been a tool.
The problem is, people at BGG don't know him from any other tool in the shed, so they don't know that he's failed at every forum he's ever tried to jump into
Not to worry. Rimmer usually reveals his inner tool rather quickly.
Quote from: mirth on November 06, 2012, 10:27:04 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on November 06, 2012, 10:24:03 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 06, 2012, 07:48:59 PM
wodin is and always has been a tool.
The problem is, people at BGG don't know him from any other tool in the shed, so they don't know that he's failed at every forum he's ever tried to jump into
Not to worry. Rimmer usually reveals his inner tool rather quickly.
+1
I believe the quote is from Cervantes.
"Patience. And deal the cards."
Are Wodin and Azzurri one and the same person?
I think not, because Wodin was usually the instigator of arguments and then 'I am the victim' sesitive kind of guy in my experience. But I am still curious.
Quote from: Yskonyn on November 07, 2012, 06:44:13 AM
Are Wodin and Azzurri one and the same person?
I think not, because Wodin was usually the instigator of arguments and then 'I am the victim' sesitive kind of guy in my experience. But I am still curious.
No.
Quote from: LongBlade on November 07, 2012, 06:48:07 AM
Quote from: Yskonyn on November 07, 2012, 06:44:13 AM
Are Wodin and Azzurri one and the same person?
I think not, because Wodin was usually the instigator of arguments and then 'I am the victim' sesitive kind of guy in my experience. But I am still curious.
No.
Yeah their styles are totally different. One lives well in Houston, has an offbeat sense of humor, and has a penchant for latinas; the other is none of those things.
Quote...Rimmer usually reveals his inner tool rather quickly...
You know, that just sounds wrong. :o
^Sounds wrong in the conventional "thanks but I like gals sense" but technically it is very right. And to think I pitied Wodin once.
This keeps getting weirder. Below was in my private email account this morning.
Hi Tim Stone (of Rock, Paper, Shotgun),
I would love to do an interview about my experiences as Editor-in-Chief of The Wargamer or help in a creation of such an article. I would like to be interviewed by any publication who wishes to hear my story. The wargaming/gaming community deserves that information, and I will only speak the truth.
However, I will not participate in any production of an article or interview that does not mention the main responsibility for my immediate dismissal. This would be specific management and renowned members of the "G" site that I had mentioned in my farewell address, which Jim Zabek happens to be the owner and/or administrator of. However, in the light of recent events, his experiences at The Wargamer were not similar to mine in several ways; nor will I allow them to be displayed as such. His website was greatly responsible for my removal.
If an article does surface by ANY publication that does not disclose the main reason for my dismissal (which includes the participation of members of that competitor wargaming online publication mentioned above), or if Jim Zabek wishes to paint a picture that my dismissal was solely based on anything rather than a select few from his website, I will renounce any such claim (or unintentional portrayal) both publicly and privately.
I will not allow the wargaming/gaming community to be misled during this matter, they must hear the truth. This little niche community deserves that right.
If you'd like to hear more, if you agree with the above and wish to proceed I'll be looking forward to hearing from you. If an interview is what you'd like just send some questions along and I will answer them to the best of my ability. I will also keep all further discussion between us confidential. I will also keep any interviews conducted with other parties confidential as well, until published. Thank you.
I would also like to thank the numerous who have supported me in this matter, as well as the many who have offered me employment.
-Curtis Szmania
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fberkeley.intel-research.net%2Farahimi%2Fhelmet%2Fali2.jpg&hash=d0140750bd9734c719cffb5074f6bac9a9c4d9f6)
For whatever reason, my wargamer account has been deactivated. This was done before the post above.
It may just be their buggy software - or not. I lost an account at wargamer when Jim was running it due to software problems - so it may be a coincidence.
Quote from: airboy on November 07, 2012, 10:20:41 AM
If an article does surface by ANY publication that does not disclose the main reason for my dismissal (which includes the participation of members of that competitor wargaming online publication mentioned above), or if Jim Zabek wishes to paint a picture that my dismissal was solely based on anything rather than a select few from his website, I will renounce any such claim (or unintentional portrayal) both publicly and privately.
I think Curtis needs to separate the actions of individuals who hang here with GrogHeads - and me - as a formal entity.
There's no way I can control how people react to Curtis. Some folks loved him, others didn't. If Slitherine went snooping around and found some folks that didn't like him who happen to hang here, that's not exactly my fault. Nor is it my fault that some folks came here because they didn't like Curtis' style. Guess what? We've lost guys here to Wargamer who didn't like
my style. That's kind of how it works when you're a mod. I don't know why he might be surprised by that.
Quote from: airboy on November 07, 2012, 10:28:03 AM
For whatever reason, my wargamer account has been deactivated. This was done before the post above.
It may just be their buggy software - or not. I lost an account at wargamer when Jim was running it due to software problems - so it may be a coincidence.
Well you might as well blame me - I seem to be getting blamed for everything else over there ;)
The notion that anyone here has the ability to influence personnel decisions made by Slitherine is...well pick the adjective...ludicrous, bizarre, redonkulous, paranoid-delusional?
even for Windy's ED?
I wish we still had the popcorn smiley available. :-\
Quote from: Yskonyn on November 07, 2012, 10:55:04 AM
I wish we still had the popcorn smiley available. :-\
Check this thread: http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=1473.0
I've uploaded a bunch of smilies to my Photobucket account and you're welcome to use them. Not an ideal situation, I know, but many of your favorite smilies are there (https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1081.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj349%2Flongblade%2FSmilies%2Fpopcorn.gif&hash=7851641c0a469523ba2a4774c92bb0dd9e28f5ce)
Such quality customer service! (https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1081.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj349%2Flongblade%2FSmilies%2Fth_coffee-1.gif&hash=b6ae8818b725b8517ea22018fa843531c8cb4dac)
8)
Quote from: Yskonyn on November 07, 2012, 10:55:04 AM
I wi sh we sti ll had the popcorn smile y available. :-\
Yskonyn
Post edited.
You've been suspended for two weeks for trolling and discussing forum fuctions outside of pm and email, on numerous occasions.
Trolling is not permitted within these forums.
-Kurtis Szmaniac
"A prince or general can best demonstrate his genius by managing a campaign exactly to suit his objectives and his resources, doing neither too much nor too little." - Carl von Clausewitz Kurtis Szmaniac
Editor-in-misChief
- - - - - end of parody - - - - -
...see the difference in moderating style ;)
someone should tell Curtis:
it doesn't matter how, when and from whom a boss learns about fail on the job by one of his employees.
Its the fail on the job, that gets a person fired.
Would a boss fire his outstanding / best-employee-he-ever-had, just because of some obscure gossip and without any looking into the issue at all ? Well, i Dont think so.
I agree! I should be banned. But I have no control over my dozens of personalities. This here is typed by Ice rabbit the nice fluffy forum goer.
Wodin has PM'ed me with a request for a truce after my latest deconstruction of his ramblings
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/878171/wargamer-com-the-long-farewell/page/4
I read his request as "I realize you're right but I don't feel like trying to resist, so I'm hoping you'll have pity on me"
Those of you who remember what happened with Hairog at That Other Place™ will remember that if people start making wild assertions, and I start asking for proof of them, I am unlikely to let go. However, in this case, in the interest of not boring BGG to death, I may just let it go... for now.
I never knew Mr. Szmania except for a warning for calling AJ a poopyhead.
Just appeared to be a mod doing his job.
So, while this had some passing interest since I hangs around here and over there,
I am starting to get tired of all the drama. It certainly brought out some bad in some people.
Is anybody else getting tired of it? It is kind of a playground and all that but some
people really nurture their resentments. If you do that too much you might have
to quit drinking and that really sucks.
cheers
Quote from: airboy on November 07, 2012, 10:20:41 AM
This keeps getting weirder. Below was in my private email account this morning.
Hi Tim Stone (of Rock, Paper, Shotgun),
I would love to do an interview about my experiences as Editor-in-Chief of The Wargamer or help in a creation of such an article. I would like to be interviewed by any publication who wishes to hear my story. The wargaming/gaming community deserves that information, and I will only speak the truth.
However, I will not participate in any production of an article or interview that does not mention the main responsibility for my immediate dismissal. This would be specific management and renowned members of the "G" site that I had mentioned in my farewell address, which Jim Zabek happens to be the owner and/or administrator of. However, in the light of recent events, his experiences at The Wargamer were not similar to mine in several ways; nor will I allow them to be displayed as such. His website was greatly responsible for my removal.
If an article does surface by ANY publication that does not disclose the main reason for my dismissal (which includes the participation of members of that competitor wargaming online publication mentioned above), or if Jim Zabek wishes to paint a picture that my dismissal was solely based on anything rather than a select few from his website, I will renounce any such claim (or unintentional portrayal) both publicly and privately.
I will not allow the wargaming/gaming community to be misled during this matter, they must hear the truth. This little niche community deserves that right.
If you'd like to hear more, if you agree with the above and wish to proceed I'll be looking forward to hearing from you. If an interview is what you'd like just send some questions along and I will answer them to the best of my ability. I will also keep all further discussion between us confidential. I will also keep any interviews conducted with other parties confidential as well, until published. Thank you.
I would also like to thank the numerous who have supported me in this matter, as well as the many who have offered me employment.
-Curtis Szmania
Attention whoring?
Delusional?
All of the above?
Jesus, Brant...so what are you? Some kind of professional new asshole tearer? Rimmer is damn near probably going to slit his wrists after that public flogging. Even I'm feeling the burn.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 07, 2012, 05:36:52 PM
Jesus, Brant...so what are you? Some kind of professional new asshole tearer? Rimmer is damn near probably going to slit his wrists after that public flogging. Even I'm feeling the burn.
Facts can kinda suck like that when you ignore them.
Well as much as I find the outcome of the whole drama as weird as the next man, I do think a line might be crossed here in the last couple of pages in this thread.
For starters a private message has been posted in the open. Instead of just telling the general situation about receiving a msg the actual msg itself gets posted out in the open. However much you dislike the guy, this is not 'chic' to do. A general remark about it would have been suffice.
Secondly, it seems like the thread is now moving in the direction of focusing on Wodin. Sure those threads and posts he put on the boards are out there in the open, but does it really need to focus the spotlight this much on that guy?
Quote from: Longdan on November 07, 2012, 03:56:46 PM
I am starting to get tired of all the drama. It certainly brought out some bad in some people.
Is anybody else getting tired of it?
I've been tired of it for weeks, but I'm also not going to stand for people taking unsupported shots at my friends without calling them out for it.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 07, 2012, 05:36:52 PM
Jesus, Brant...so what are you? Some kind of professional new asshole tearer? Rimmer is damn near probably going to slit his wrists after that public flogging. Even I'm feeling the burn.
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8207%2F8165239769_8941afcb0e.jpg&hash=2e73f828c128e4b1f831f60607586f16ad5ededc)
Quote from: Yskonyn on November 07, 2012, 05:51:23 PM
Well as much as I find the outcome of the whole drama as weird as the next man, I do think a line might be crossed here in the last couple of pages in this thread.
For starters a private message has been posted in the open. Instead of just telling the general situation about receiving a msg the actual msg itself gets posted out in the open. However much you dislike the guy, this is not 'chic' to do. A general remark about it would have been suffice.
Secondly, it seems like the thread is now moving in the direction of focusing on Wodin. Sure those threads and posts he put on the boards are out there in the open, but does it really need to focus the spotlight this much on that guy?
While you might be right, I'm having difficulty finding people I know who
didn't get his email. Discretion is not exactly what's taking place - you just aren't turning in the right circles.
Be glad of that.
Yeah...there is nothing private about this correspondence. Curtis willingly bcc'ed it to at least a dozen people that I know of. Moreover, as to Wodin, if he is going to post comments attacking us in other forums (because he is too much of a coward to do it here), we certainly are within our rights to discuss it.
This little tempest all began because Curtis chose to respond to his firing by Slitherine by mass emailing his "farewell" message and posting it on multiple gaming forums. Discretion was not in his mind for an instant.
Quote from: Yskonyn on November 07, 2012, 06:05:20 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on November 07, 2012, 06:01:24 PM
Be glad of that.
Oh I am, I am! Hallelujah! ;)
Hey, if you want I'll be glad to forward your email to Curtis and ask him to add you to the distribution list. :p
^Hahaha....ITS A TRAP!!!! Run away, run away......
Conspiracy theorist that I am, Wodin and Curtis sound amazingly alike sometimes! Logically, I know they are not the same person, but I swear....they are at least taking the same drugs.
Curtis is sending the emails to a very large number of people. Why I got them - I'll never understand. My only connection with the guy is that I did one or two reviews for wargamer while he was editor. I know almost nothing about the guy.
Quote from: Arctic Blast on November 07, 2012, 04:59:40 PM
Quote from: airboy on November 07, 2012, 10:20:41 AM
This keeps getting weirder. Below was in my private email account this morning.
Hi Tim Stone (of Rock, Paper, Shotgun),
I would love to do an interview about my experiences as Editor-in-Chief of The Wargamer or help in a creation of such an article. I would like to be interviewed by any publication who wishes to hear my story. The wargaming/gaming community deserves that information, and I will only speak the truth.
However, I will not participate in any production of an article or interview that does not mention the main responsibility for my immediate dismissal. This would be specific management and renowned members of the "G" site that I had mentioned in my farewell address, which Jim Zabek happens to be the owner and/or administrator of. However, in the light of recent events, his experiences at The Wargamer were not similar to mine in several ways; nor will I allow them to be displayed as such. His website was greatly responsible for my removal.
If an article does surface by ANY publication that does not disclose the main reason for my dismissal (which includes the participation of members of that competitor wargaming online publication mentioned above), or if Jim Zabek wishes to paint a picture that my dismissal was solely based on anything rather than a select few from his website, I will renounce any such claim (or unintentional portrayal) both publicly and privately.
I will not allow the wargaming/gaming community to be misled during this matter, they must hear the truth. This little niche community deserves that right.
If you'd like to hear more, if you agree with the above and wish to proceed I'll be looking forward to hearing from you. If an interview is what you'd like just send some questions along and I will answer them to the best of my ability. I will also keep all further discussion between us confidential. I will also keep any interviews conducted with other parties confidential as well, until published. Thank you.
I would also like to thank the numerous who have supported me in this matter, as well as the many who have offered me employment.
-Curtis Szmania
Attention whoring?
Delusional?
All of the above?
emphasis added.
Strange wording. Why is it something so grand as a right? If he wants his version of events out there that is fine. Calling it a right sounds grandiose. A slight tinge of the world revolves around him.
A simple go in peace, good luck, is enough.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on November 07, 2012, 03:34:06 PM
Wodin has PM'ed me with a request for a truce after my latest deconstruction of his ramblings
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/878171/wargamer-com-the-long-farewell/page/4
I read his request as "I realize you're right but I don't feel like trying to resist, so I'm hoping you'll have pity on me"
Those of you who remember what happened with Hairog at That Other Place™ will remember that if people start making wild assertions, and I start asking for proof of them, I am unlikely to let go. However, in this case, in the interest of not boring BGG to death, I may just let it go... for now.
I had to get my $0.02 there. Pardon my language on this public forum, but this BS just pisses me off when at the BGG. I don't have to post my videos there, but I do. I don't have to give money to that site, but I do. I don't have to share news and also get news there, but I do. They make tons of money and do quite well, we do things out of pocket.
So when I get two people there denigrating our work and saying we should be "ostracized by the community," when he hasn't spent hours making videos - putting himself in front of thousands for scrutiny and for little reward except satisfaction that you know you helped someone else, then he can claim we don't do anything positive for the gaming community! I don't often get this ticked off about stupid stuff, but this has me steamed!
Kudos to Brant and SoM. I think any unbiased judge would call it a knockout against Wodin. Measured, factual and reasonable responses.
Quote from: Yskonyn on November 07, 2012, 05:51:23 PM
Well as much as I find the outcome of the whole drama as weird as the next man, I do think a line might be crossed here in the last couple of pages in this thread.
For starters a private message has been posted in the open. Instead of just telling the general situation about receiving a msg the actual msg itself gets posted out in the open. However much you dislike the guy, this is not 'chic' to do. A general remark about it would have been suffice.
Yeah, I disagree with you on this as well. Curtis chose to BCC apparently everyone he has ever corresponded with in on that email. Clearly, he WANTED it to be seen. So there we go...he wants attention, he's getting it.
Fine, I can see where you guys are coming from. I did not know the specifics about the magnitude of sent mails. If there have been that much recipients I agree with the open stance here.
As for Wodin; I never meant it wasn't ok to reply to the thread over at bgg and give it to him there. It is what he deserves and what I would do as well. It's just that I do not find it relevant nor chic to keep posting about him here and dropping references to his posts.
Quote from: Yskonyn on November 08, 2012, 07:50:48 AM
Fine, I can see where you guys are coming from. I did not know the specifics about the magnitude of sent mails. If there have been that much recipients I agree with the open stance here.
No worries. This is a fairly typical miscommunication of the written word. Those of us in the loop mostly know each other, and it's obvious what he's doing. Those outside of it have no context and I'm sure it looks even weirder. And trust me, it's a little strange to those of us getting these.
QuoteAs for Wodin; I never meant it wasn't ok to reply to the thread over at bgg and give it to him there. It is what he deserves and what I would do as well. It's just that I do not find it relevant nor chic to keep posting about him here and dropping references to his posts.
Wodin has been on these forums and he's a member in good standing (not banned or anything). His last post was May 15 (you can pull up his posts if you look for his profile). We know him from other websites and some of us I think can get a little defensive if he mentions us in a way we perceive is negative.
Combine the two of them at the same time and I think there is some legitimate room for concern about how our community here is being seen on other boards. I normally try to avoid discussing the behavior of others on other sites openly. I should probably have stuck to that rule here. I guess it's been a crazy last few days. But I also think it's OK for the community here to discuss misconceptions of us on other boards. Perhaps sans the name calling (like "tool").
Quote from: Yskonyn on November 08, 2012, 07:50:48 AM
As for Wodin; I never meant it wasn't ok to reply to the thread over at bgg and give it to him there. It is what he deserves and what I would do as well. It's just that I do not find it relevant nor chic to keep posting about him here and dropping references to his posts.
That is valuable insight from someone outside the sandbox. You're right. It is what he is doing to us. Attacking us on other websites. I guess we shouldn't sink to his level.
That thread on BGG will be locked soon me thinks, best to get you post in now while you still have a chance.
The BGG Wargames Illuminati are not posting in the thread, they'll soon grow bored of it, declare it off topic, hit their beloved Red X Button and demand their puppet of a moderator lock it.
BGG is basically run as a corporate self promoting website, one thing they (moderators and groupthink mob) disdain above all else is anything that distract from safe, user friendly bullshit threads about counter clipping or incestuous backside patting "look at me!, look at me!...you are sooo cool bro!".
Any cumbersome controversy that does not comport to their shared world view is simply not allowed, their own hypocritical statements about alleged diversity and fairness of opinion notwithstanding.
They (moderators and "friends") allow multi-sockpuppet accounts to obviously bait 'n troll for years and years but when honest members attempt to raise objection they are pounced upon and belittled.
Intelligent informative dialogue has long ceased to exist on BGG Wargames (unless one has a burning addiction to "what is a wargame", "is [game X] a wargame", "am I a wargamer" threads).
Interesting observation ABD. I don't get over there much and I never read their forums unless someone posts a link here.
Regardless of what takes place there we are hoping to offer an open forum for discussion of most anything you like. Our primary focus is gaming, but we all do stuff in RL that goes beyond gaming. So open a cold one and chat about almost anything that comes to mind. That's what we're about here.
I tend to avoid most threads at BGG. I tried posting in a few and the conversations seemed to rarely go anywhere. I offered some Origins advice to people over the years, but not too much else.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on November 07, 2012, 03:34:06 PM
Wodin has PM'ed me with a request for a truce after my latest deconstruction of his ramblings
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/878171/wargamer-com-the-long-farewell/page/4
I read his request as "I realize you're right but I don't feel like trying to resist, so I'm hoping you'll have pity on me"
Those of you who remember what happened with Hairog at That Other Place™ will remember that if people start making wild assertions, and I start asking for proof of them, I am unlikely to let go. However, in this case, in the interest of not boring BGG to death, I may just let it go... for now.
You pwned the man. There is no more profit in it.
Quote from: ABD on November 08, 2012, 10:38:24 AM
That thread on BGG will be locked soon me thinks, best to get you post in now while you still have a chance.
The BGG Wargames Illuminati are not posting in the thread, they'll soon grow bored of it, declare it off topic, hit their beloved Red X Button and demand their puppet of a moderator lock it.
BGG is basically run as a corporate self promoting website, one thing they (moderators and groupthink mob) disdain above all else is anything that distract from safe, user friendly bullshit threads about counter clipping or incestuous backside patting "look at me!, look at me!...you are sooo cool bro!".
Any cumbersome controversy that does not comport to their shared world view is simply not allowed, their own hypocritical statements about alleged diversity and fairness of opinion notwithstanding.
They (moderators and "friends") allow multi-sockpuppet accounts to obviously bait 'n troll for years and years but when honest members attempt to raise objection they are pounced upon and belittled.
Intelligent informative dialogue has long ceased to exist on BGG Wargames (unless one has a burning addiction to "what is a wargame", "is [game X] a wargame", "am I a wargamer" threads).
Sounds like the kind of accusations made against the "in crowd" and mods of this site!
QuoteIntelligent informative dialogue has long ceased to exist on BGG Wargames (unless one has a burning addiction to "what is a wargame", "is [game X] a wargame", "am I a wargamer" threads).
There is truth to this statement. I've been on the receiving end of "who is a wargamer" and how a "wargamer acts" and what a "wargamer plays." It was mostly nonsense BS groupthink.
Used to get that over at the WG too.
Quote from: Centurion40 on November 09, 2012, 11:56:18 AM
Used to get that over at the WG too.
Funny how that works.
I pulled that card with Azz once.
What, you "dated" 3 different Latinas in one month?
I wouldnt use the word dated.
You pumped 3 different burds in one month? Were you ill for the other 3 weekends or waiting for the all clear?
^LOL
Nice Avatar, Centurion40!
It looks good and it stands out.
The BGG thread has been shut down
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/878171/wargamer-com-the-long-farewell/page/5
Quote from: Pining on November 16, 2012, 03:08:16 AM
Nice Avatar, Centurion40!
It looks good and it stands out.
Thanks, eh.
???
Quote from: bayonetbrant on November 16, 2012, 09:23:14 AM
The BGG thread has been shut down
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/878171/wargamer-com-the-long-farewell/page/5
@Brant :)
I thought you demonstrated the patience of a Saint. 8) I'm glad you stood your ground.
Another email
Who is jmarks?
Quote from: junk2drive on December 16, 2012, 07:07:14 PM
Another email
Who is jmarks?
No idea, but I recommend you pop some popcorn and pull up a seat.
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much like herpes, curtis is the gift that keeps on giving.
I got a very long (3 page) word document along with a pdf which was noterized that Curtis thought they were true.
Why I keep getting these missives, I have no idea.
Quote from: airboy on December 16, 2012, 08:01:49 PM
I got a very long (3 page) word document along with a pdf which was noterized that Curtis thought they were true.
Why I keep getting these missives, I have no idea.
How do you notarize a PDF? Does the Notary purchase some kind of e-license he can encrypt the file with or something?
Quote from: airboy on December 16, 2012, 08:01:49 PM
Why I keep getting these missives, I have no idea.
Neither do we. I think he's copied pretty much everyone who ever wrote for him or worked with him. Or passed him in the mall.
I was in the Conflict of Heroes tourney at WG. He sent everyone a list of competitors and their email addresses in case we needed to get in touch for matches. I guess he kept that list. Could be he has a list of every WG member as well.
Quote from: Staggerwing on December 16, 2012, 08:04:44 PM
Quote from: airboy on December 16, 2012, 08:01:49 PM
I got a very long (3 page) word document along with a pdf which was noterized that Curtis thought they were true.
Why I keep getting these missives, I have no idea.
How do you notarize a PDF? Does the Notary purchase some kind of e-license he can encrypt the file with or something?
Sorry, poor wording. It is a pdf of a statement by Curtis in front of a notary that what he said is true. So a pdf of a notarized document.
Nothing makes one come out on top in an apparent battle of ethics* like keeping mailing address lists when you leave the place you're now attacking for being unethical.
*Battle may actually be taking place only in the brain/ego/fever dreams of the person making such claims in the first place
Quote from: junk2drive link=topic=3400)msg90530#msg90530 date=1355708166
I was in the Conflict of Heroes tourney at WG. He sent everyone a list of competitors and their email addresses in case we needed to get in touch for matches.
so he got mine too ::)
Curtis got batshit crazzzy ! and i hope he
and his family has no access to any guns!
Nope, i am not afraid about my security ( im a legally armed sportsman and hit IPSC targets since decades ;))
but about the public safety around his presence.
Any next personal 'crisis', 'hurt feelings', etc. can trigger whatsoever... he already likes the bigstage, the drama :o
Quote from: LongBlade on November 02, 2012, 11:40:20 AM
Clearly there are some folks here who didn't like his style. That's not surprising - there are folks on other boards who don't like my style. That doesn't mean there was a conspiracy out to get him, just that he wasn't universally liked. Most mods aren't. It goes with the territory.
I like you
Then im been told im kind of weird so who knows :o
But do you like like him?
Quote from: junk2drive on December 16, 2012, 07:07:14 PM
Another email
Who is jmarks?
I received it as well.
I deleted without reading, as I really don't care anymore. He badly needs to get over himself.
Now someone has signed up at Battlefront forums to accuse the GH people of... conspiracy?
Link?
Bet ya turkey dinner it's Wodin or one of his multiple personalities..... :P
http://www.battlefront.com/community/showthread.php?t=107847
Wodin didn't wait long to pop up though...
I'm already in there
Quote from: bayonetbrant on December 25, 2012, 07:11:04 PM
I'm already in there
Wear protection and don't forget to shower after.
^ Yeah, now I need a good delousing as well...
Quote from: Staggerwing on December 25, 2012, 07:46:52 PM
^ Yeah, now I need a good delousing as well...
Nice covering fire.
Sheesh. Really? On Christmas day this bozo has nothing better to do than piss on the Battlefront forums?
Can't we just enjoy a day with the family and maybe do some gaming?
Quote from: Staggerwing on December 25, 2012, 07:07:39 PM
http://www.battlefront.com/community/showthread.php?t=107847
Wodin didn't wait long to pop up though...
Uff-da. I love stupid drama. ::)
I know nothing but it seems like nothing
is real unless there is a conspiracy.
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That dudes forehead and hair look like a mushroom cloud.
Quote from: MetalDog on December 26, 2012, 07:49:25 PM
That dudes forehead and hair look like a mushroom cloud.
All the better to conspire against you, my Groginati friend.
Nice, Bison :)
Think I've seen him on Ancient Aliens. He was also a big proponent of the Mayan Apocalypse. Obviously, a very sagacious fellow.
Does he have any other suits? Always seems to wear that one.
Quote from: besilarius on December 27, 2012, 11:18:57 AM
He was also a big proponent of the Mayan Apocalypse. Obviously, a very sagacious fellow.
He's on TV so he has to be right. Maybe it already happened and we just didn't notice?
His fanlike crest of hair reminds me of the Centauri in Babylon 5.
IIRC they had a highly inflated opinion of themselves as well.
QuoteNot that this really matters to most but they pounce the hardest if anything remotely anti Israel is mentioned.
Really? Hmmm. How can I best make use of this knowledge? :D
Hey Stagger - thanks for jumping in there, too. Nice to have some extra cover :)
At your service. :)
How many new members have the GrogHeads forums gained since Curtis started all this?
Greybriar, click on the More Stats link in the Forum Stats section at the bottom of the main forum page. I don't know what date this all started, but the link has the number of new joins split out by month. Some more interesting things to know down there, too, if you are so inclined.
Thanks, MetalDog. There's some interesting stats there all right. I don't recall the exact date when all this started, either. But the new members for November is shown as 59. I thought Curtis' influence might have resulted in a three-digit figure of new members or at least a huge number of people viewing the forums as a result of his ranting.
Quote from: MetalDog on December 29, 2012, 02:21:19 PMGreybriar, click on the More Stats link in the Forum Stats section at the bottom of the main forum page. I don't know what date this all started, but the link has the number of new joins split out by month. Some more interesting things to know down there, too, if you are so inclined.
While I gotta say those stats are pretty nifty, I'm a little irked that I had no idea those stats existed until MD just pointed them out. Hmmmm...
I guess I oughta dig around in the software a bit more, eh?
Quote from: bayonetbrant on December 29, 2012, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: MetalDog on December 29, 2012, 02:21:19 PMGreybriar, click on the More Stats link in the Forum Stats section at the bottom of the main forum page. I don't know what date this all started, but the link has the number of new joins split out by month. Some more interesting things to know down there, too, if you are so inclined.
While I gotta say those stats are pretty nifty, I'm a little irked that I had no idea those stats existed until MD just pointed them out. Hmmmm...
I guess I oughta dig around in the software a bit more, eh?
:o
Quote from: TheCommandTent on December 29, 2012, 06:04:55 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on December 29, 2012, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: MetalDog on December 29, 2012, 02:21:19 PMGreybriar, click on the More Stats link in the Forum Stats section at the bottom of the main forum page. I don't know what date this all started, but the link has the number of new joins split out by month. Some more interesting things to know down there, too, if you are so inclined.
While I gotta say those stats are pretty nifty, I'm a little irked that I had no idea those stats existed until MD just pointed them out. Hmmmm...
I guess I oughta dig around in the software a bit more, eh?
:o
No doubt.
To answer your question, Greybriar, I haven't kept track. If I had to guess, I'd say between 25 and 50. MetalDog's count of 59 would not surprise me, though in fairness we are growing organically despite Curtis' marketing efforts.
Quote from: LongBlade on December 29, 2012, 08:04:46 PM
Quote from: TheCommandTent on December 29, 2012, 06:04:55 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on December 29, 2012, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: MetalDog on December 29, 2012, 02:21:19 PMGreybriar, click on the More Stats link in the Forum Stats section at the bottom of the main forum page. I don't know what date this all started, but the link has the number of new joins split out by month. Some more interesting things to know down there, too, if you are so inclined.
While I gotta say those stats are pretty nifty, I'm a little irked that I had no idea those stats existed until MD just pointed them out. Hmmmm...
I guess I oughta dig around in the software a bit more, eh?
:o
No doubt.
To answer your question, Greybriar, I haven't kept track. If I had to guess, I'd say between 25 and 50. MetalDog's count of 59 would not surprise me, though in fairness we are growing organically despite Curtis' marketing efforts.
We're referring to self inflicted gunshot wounds as marketing efforts now? :D
Quote from: Arctic Blast on December 30, 2012, 03:22:46 AM
We're referring to self inflicted gunshot wounds as marketing efforts now? :D
Why not?
After all, they do say that any publicity is good publicity! 8)
This whole event(s) has left me kind of mystified.
^^ Dan, it's a long, annoying, sad sob-story of a personal vendetta of some people who refuse to take responsibility for their own actions, and instead seek to shift blame for their sad circumstances to some imagined anti-them conspiracy, as though somehow they're important enough for the world to unite in their collective demise.
Quote from: Longdan on December 30, 2012, 01:20:20 PM
This whole event(s) has left me kind of mystified.
You are far from alone on that front.
I managed to be around the whole time
and missed the entire thing. Something
like my marriage I suppose.
Quote from: Longdan on December 30, 2012, 03:38:24 PM
I managed to be around the whole time
and missed the entire thing. Something
like my marriage I suppose.
LOL - Dan, that made me chuckle - such a droll comment......er, can I say droll?
Oh Bob, droll is such a quotidian word.
Quote from: Longdan on December 30, 2012, 05:21:32 PM
Oh Bob, droll is such a quotidian word.
Not Dickensian then?
Damn.
And ne ġelǣd fūck ūs on costnunge, ac ālȳs ūs of yfele.
Quote from: Keunert on December 30, 2012, 05:57:57 PM
And ne ġelǣd fūck ūs on costnunge, ac ālȳs ūs of yfele.
Guys, I think Kenny passed out at the keyboard again.
If he did then he must be channeling some old dead Saxon dude in his sleep.
In his drool.
Quote from: DicedT on November 01, 2012, 05:59:04 PM
I don't usually get involved in the Wargamer.com soap opera, but this thread on BGG caught my eye. It sounds like there's something wrong with Curtis Szmania: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/878171/wargamer-com-the-long-farewell
those idiots hanging on at wargamer are just trying to shoot there feet out for under theirselves aren't they?
and who is that "wodin" guy that's such a donkey******? Cant any of you guys in England just hit him with a cricket bat or something?
its not nice to beat the mentaly challenged.
In a battle of wits, some people are unarmed.
Quote from: besilarius on February 22, 2013, 10:23:37 PM
In a battle of wits, some people are unarmed.
But they always think they are ninjas.