OOTP 15 has been announced (http://files.ootpdevelopments.com/newsletters/nl0133/index.html)! Normally not a huge deal but this time it will include the beginnings of a 3D engine. I've been waiting for that for a long time! Now if only a football sim would come along like OOTP.
Very few games are auto-purchases for me, but OOTP has definitely become one of them. Can't wait! Although I still think ootp14 is fantastic and for me has hardly run its course. But 3D sounds very interesting.
The announcement I got via email only mentioned something about the ball being displayed in 3D whilst flying through the air. I suppose it's a start.
Since I haven't really played multiple seasons with OOTP14 yet, I'll probably wait until 15 is on sale or until 16 comes out next year.
Hopefully their Hockey game makes huge strides in the next edition. While I've not played the first one since late beta, I'm of the understanding that a lot hadn't improved since it's release. Gotta start somewhere, I guess.
16 sounds like it's going to be the 'big breakthrough' iteration of OOTP, in terms of implementing some ambitious 3D stuff. So I can understand passing on 15, since 14 is fully patched up now and awesome in its own right, and 15 is apt to feel more like a 'taste of things to come.' Still, I want to support those guys, and they sell the game at a really very reasonable pricepoint, so I'm sure i'll spring for 15.
Quote from: bbmike on January 24, 2014, 08:23:20 AM
OOTP 15 has been announced (http://files.ootpdevelopments.com/newsletters/nl0133/index.html)! Normally not a huge deal but this time it will include the beginnings of a 3D engine. I've been waiting for that for a long time! Now if only a football sim would come along like OOTP.
Not sure if you noticed the last sentence in the email announcement.....any chance if this is a hint that a football game might be on the way? Or reading too much into it?
The last statement from the email (notice how the word "game" is italicized to stand out"):
PS: Anyone following the NFL playoffs? Looks like the Super Bowl will be one heck of a
game. Good luck, Seattle and Denver
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 24, 2014, 06:36:32 PM
Not sure if you noticed the last sentence in the email announcement.....any chance if this is a hint that a football game might be on the way? Or reading too much into it?
The last statement from the email (notice how the word "game" is italicized to stand out"):
PS: Anyone following the NFL playoffs? Looks like the Super Bowl will be one heck of a game. Good luck, Seattle and Denver
I didn't notice that! Hmm, that can't really mean anything. Can it? :o
Quote from: bbmike on January 24, 2014, 06:55:11 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 24, 2014, 06:36:32 PM
Not sure if you noticed the last sentence in the email announcement.....any chance if this is a hint that a football game might be on the way? Or reading too much into it?
The last statement from the email (notice how the word "game" is italicized to stand out"):
PS: Anyone following the NFL playoffs? Looks like the Super Bowl will be one heck of a game. Good luck, Seattle and Denver
I didn't notice that! Hmm, that can't really mean anything. Can it? :o
Its just interesting they would mention that in a baseball announcement and then draw attention to the word game.....I am hoping it is under consideration, as long as they do a much better job then their hockey game:)
Also, the pre order discount seems pretty small...I always thought it was like $10+ off....with a $5 discount, not sure what the incentive is to really buy now.
Hold on...are Seattle and Denver in the Superbowl? That is way too cool...two of my fav teams!
I want to see the 3D stuff before I pony up the doe
Quote from: JudgeDredd on January 24, 2014, 07:03:45 PM
I want to see the 3D stuff before I pony up the doe
Yep, not sure if any of the new stuff really stands out this year....I have pre ordered every year, but this might be the year I hold off until their summer sale when usually 1/2 off. By then, they will have released their typical onslaught of patches:)
Quote from: JudgeDredd on January 24, 2014, 07:03:45 PM
I want to see the 3D stuff before I pony up the doe
I'll go ahead and pony up. I feel like this is exactly why I've been ponying all along. ;D
Is there or has anyone considered a Groghead's OOTP League? I played in an online league using OOTP11 &12. It can be a lot of fun although I'm not in the baseball frame of mind yet.
Quote from: KyzBP on January 25, 2014, 10:04:18 AM
Is there or has anyone considered a Groghead's OOTP League? I played in an online league using OOTP11 &12. It can be a lot of fun although I'm not in the baseball frame of mind yet.
Although I would love to play in sport leagues, just don't think I could commit to a schedule to complete it. Would be fun though.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 25, 2014, 01:20:08 PM
Quote from: KyzBP on January 25, 2014, 10:04:18 AM
Is there or has anyone considered a Groghead's OOTP League? I played in an online league using OOTP11 &12. It can be a lot of fun although I'm not in the baseball frame of mind yet.
Although I would love to play in sport leagues, just don't think I could commit to a schedule to complete it. Would be fun though.
It wasn't bad. Usually just 3 submissions a week. Each submission covers 2 weeks. I think all of that can be customized though.
I was just an owner, never the Commissioner.
Quote from: KyzBP on January 25, 2014, 02:36:57 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 25, 2014, 01:20:08 PM
Quote from: KyzBP on January 25, 2014, 10:04:18 AM
Is there or has anyone considered a Groghead's OOTP League? I played in an online league using OOTP11 &12. It can be a lot of fun although I'm not in the baseball frame of mind yet.
Although I would love to play in sport leagues, just don't think I could commit to a schedule to complete it. Would be fun though.
It wasn't bad. Usually just 3 submissions a week. Each submission covers 2 weeks. I think all of that can be customized though.
I was just an owner, never the Commissioner.
Maybe I will have to take a deeper look into how multiplay works in OOTP....I just assumed it would be tedious.
Hmmm...interesting. I was considering picking up OOTP 14 on Steam in a few weeks when the baseball fever hits me.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 25, 2014, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: KyzBP on January 25, 2014, 02:36:57 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 25, 2014, 01:20:08 PM
Quote from: KyzBP on January 25, 2014, 10:04:18 AM
Is there or has anyone considered a Groghead's OOTP League? I played in an online league using OOTP11 &12. It can be a lot of fun although I'm not in the baseball frame of mind yet.
Although I would love to play in sport leagues, just don't think I could commit to a schedule to complete it. Would be fun though.
It wasn't bad. Usually just 3 submissions a week. Each submission covers 2 weeks. I think all of that can be customized though.
I was just an owner, never the Commissioner.
Maybe I will have to take a deeper look into how multiplay works in OOTP....I just assumed it would be tedious.
I've never taken part in an online league of OOTP, but it has always seemed like it had the best support for it by far of sports management sims.
Quote from: vyshka on January 26, 2014, 12:14:34 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 25, 2014, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: KyzBP on January 25, 2014, 02:36:57 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 25, 2014, 01:20:08 PM
Quote from: KyzBP on January 25, 2014, 10:04:18 AM
Is there or has anyone considered a Groghead's OOTP League? I played in an online league using OOTP11 &12. It can be a lot of fun although I'm not in the baseball frame of mind yet.
Although I would love to play in sport leagues, just don't think I could commit to a schedule to complete it. Would be fun though.
It seemed to be fairly straight forward. I do seem to remember having to jump through a few hoops initially but after that everything went smoothly.
It wasn't bad. Usually just 3 submissions a week. Each submission covers 2 weeks. I think all of that can be customized though.
I was just an owner, never the Commissioner.
Maybe I will have to take a deeper look into how multiplay works in OOTP....I just assumed it would be tedious.
I've never taken part in an online league of OOTP, but it has always seemed like it had the best support for it by far of sports management sims.
I have never understood why modern baseball sim developers are deathly afraid of animation. OOTP is in its 15th iteration and they are finally getting around to an animated ball... words cannot express my disappointment. Creating an animated baseball game isn't that hard, really it isn't. Creating a great career engine is the trick and it looks like they have that down pat. Animating a ball will be boring, though. I forget the name, but someone has done that. It got boring fast, fast, fast.
With modern development tools and powerful graphics engines available, it is hard to fathom why text sims can't do more with graphics.
Why is it necessary? I just spent the better part of the evening playing OOTP14 and not once did I think to myself. "Gee I wish this text based sim had 3d graphics." I'm sure it'll be nice and all, but honestly what's the point?
I played Puresim Baseball 2007(?) and it had an animated ball...but that was it...no player movement or anything like that.
OOTP14 (and previous) never had player animation but I do believe they have ball animation now, do they not? Anyway - I actually used to play each game out...now I'm happy to sit and watch the game play with the real time sped up system they have.
I'm not sure it's necessary, but it is pleasing and adds to immersion. I sit and watch the extended highlights of every one of my 30 games in Football Manager. It has 3D animation and it's bloody good. When it first came out, it was raw and terrible...but it's got much better over the years and there's nothing quite like watching your player break the defensive line, run towards goal and fire it into the side netting...or get pulled down and not get a penalty...and you sit there shouting at the screen (not literally) that the referee is a cheating scummer.
I think the 3D will bring a new level of immersion...it also might bring other people in who aren't quite into spreadsheet simming.
I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea.
Now - if they asked me if I wanted 3D for OOTP or if I wanted them to start on a rugby game...well, I'd back a different horse there ;D
Not necessarily 3d, but some visual representation really helps me to monitor the progress of the game and to encourage an enthusiastic investment in the plays made - rather than just simming it and have the results land. I've been dabbling with Basketball sims recently, and have Basketball Management Pro 2014 on Steam, now whilst the game seems to have an unusual front end - along with long load times, it does have a 2d representation of the game - and it really sucks you in - its reminiscient of the early 2d plays from Football Manager (previously Championship Manager - before its name was stolen away). I've been trying to find another Basketball management game that just has a better slicker interface and a bigger fan community - but I just can't find one that gives you the pleasure of a 2d simulation. :(
This resurgence in sports sims has me dabble in OOTP14 (and I have only a vague interest in baseball from years ago), along with a search for the similar 2d representation for American Football. Yep, I'm a Brit who prefers American Football to normal football (soccer)! Again, I'm struggling to find an NFL simulator that gives me some visual representation of the plays so I can become more emotionally invested/excited as the game is simmed.
I remember talking with a friend who was involved with Football Manager development, and early on, the general opinion from fans was that they didn't need any graphical cues, because the textual information was enough. Then FM evolved to include 2d representation. The fans opinion being that this was enough to fine tune your team and strategy from the feedback in the 2d plays. FM wasn't going 3d ever, because the fans didn't want it! Now FM has evolved further to take on 3d and I think it doesn't suffer from this level of visual stimuli for the manager. Keep it as a choice and then you won't alienate the different play requirements from your playerbase.
Quote from: spelk on January 27, 2014, 03:27:04 AM
Not necessarily 3d, but some visual representation really helps me to monitor the progress of the game and to encourage an enthusiastic investment in the plays made - rather than just simming it and have the results land. I've been dabbling with Basketball sims recently, and have Basketball Management Pro 2014 on Steam, now whilst the game seems to have an unusual front end - along with long load times, it does have a 2d representation of the game - and it really sucks you in - its reminiscient of the early 2d plays from Football Manager (previously Championship Manager - before its name was stolen away). I've been trying to find another Basketball management game that just has a better slicker interface and a bigger fan community - but I just can't find one that gives you the pleasure of a 2d simulation. :(
This resurgence in sports sims has me dabble in OOTP14 (and I have only a vague interest in baseball from years ago), along with a search for the similar 2d representation for American Football. Yep, I'm a Brit who prefers American Football to normal football (soccer)! Again, I'm struggling to find an NFL simulator that gives me some visual representation of the plays so I can become more emotionally invested/excited as the game is simmed.
I remember talking with a friend who was involved with Football Manager development, and early on, the general opinion from fans was that they didn't need any graphical cues, because the textual information was enough. Then FM evolved to include 2d representation. The fans opinion being that this was enough to fine tune your team and strategy from the feedback in the 2d plays. FM wasn't going 3d ever, because the fans didn't want it! Now FM has evolved further to take on 3d and I think it doesn't suffer from this level of visual stimuli for the manager. Keep it as a choice and then you won't alienate the different play requirements from your playerbase.
have you checked out wolverine studios? they have pro and college basketball management games. i have version 2 of each but think they are on 3 now. i haven't upgraded as i am just not a basketball guy but i do enjoy the management aspect of the games.
Quote from: Bison on January 27, 2014, 02:41:05 AM
Why is it necessary? I just spent the better part of the evening playing OOTP14 and not once did I think to myself. "Gee I wish this text based sim had 3d graphics." I'm sure it'll be nice and all, but honestly what's the point?
True. I don't think they really need fancy 3D stuff. However, after playing last year's Football Manager, I can definitely see how it can enhance the experience.
Normally I just sim out the individual games in these text sims. In other words, I don't call the plays or make any adjustments in the games. However, the FM2013 in-game 3D action and it's accompanying game controls was a pretty huge leap in fun factor. It just added a more immersive facet to such a text sim and I
wanted to coach out each individual game after that, despite my main reason for playing these games being the overall team management side.
I think there is definitely room for 3D improvements in-game, like those of the FM series. I don't often say that, especially about certain genres where I don't necessarily prefer 3D over 2D (RPGs for example). Do I require them? Absolutely not. :)
Same for me....I don't really ever play out the actual baseball games in OOTP, just sim, so graphics really do me no good. But if I were to play them out like others might, I can see how this would be a nice enhancement. I just think with baseball games, they take too long and there is a 162 of them, a lot of games to play if you control each one:) To be honest, just never considered OOTP to be as good as other games when actually playing/managing a game, whether that is actually true or not. If I want to play out games, I usually play games like ActionPC Baseball and PC Replay baseball.
Quote from: spelk on January 27, 2014, 03:27:04 AM
This resurgence in sports sims has me dabble in OOTP14 (and I have only a vague interest in baseball from years ago), along with a search for the similar 2d representation for American Football. Yep, I'm a Brit who prefers American Football to normal football (soccer)! Again, I'm struggling to find an NFL simulator that gives me some visual representation of the plays so I can become more emotionally invested/excited as the game is simmed.
Professional Football Manager (http://www.barcodegames.com/) displays the game action but only as dots with the players numbers. The play calling isn't the insane percentage matrix that FOF uses but it only runs on a 'playbook' of named generic plays (HB Screen Strong, for example). To customize your own, you must create a new one and add/remove the plays you want your offense to use. Being over a hundred, it can take some time setting up. I usually just took out a couple of the extra WR Reverse (or 'End Around') plays because there were a few and the ratio would mean that they were often being run every game, sometimes more than once (they should be a rare gamble). In the end, PFS' in-game action is pretty dull since you don't have any input, so I just end up simming anyway.
To summarize, PFS is still a work in progress. The 2D action is pretty basic, some text sim staples aren't in yet (coaching/schemes, better clock management by the AI coach running the games), and a few other odds and ends. The player ability system also seemed a bit odd to me as it can be tough gauging players abilities against each other. That can be a good thing in such a game perhaps - it just takes some getting used to. The developer (a single guy) also took an update hiatus over this last year so there hadn't been anything in the way of updates. However, he says that the Coaching stuff and some other things should be coming in the next few months. I also want to see more team graphics customization on some of the windows; there isn't much interface space dedicated to custom team logos and colors.
I think PFS has a lot of potential but it still needs to have more features added in some areas. To it's credit, the stat outcomes of the games were believable for the most part and all the basics are present for a GM to enjoy it without having to punch in a shitload of percentages (there are just some dropdowns with general formation/styles for a few circumstances).
One thing I like about Football Mogul is how you can customize plays and create your own playbooks for the AI to use. I think that's way better than FOF's ridiculous percentage matrix and PFS' simple dropdown selections. With the FMogul one, being able to create both offensive and defensive plays down to individual position tasks is superb even if the end result is just some strength/weakness values for the overall play. Too bad Football Mogul doesn't get much attention in each successive edition and often doesn't even get issues fixed. :-[ It desperately needs a lot more features.
Hopefully the other one (or two?)new Football sims currently in the making will be pretty good. Not much info on them though. I'm just glad some others are taking up the challenge.
This is my most anticipated American football game that seems to have fundamental player movement on the screen.....hoping it turns out well.
http://footballgeneralmanager.wordpress.com/
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 27, 2014, 08:27:50 AM
This is my most anticipated American football game that seems to have fundamental player movement on the screen.....hoping it turns out well.
http://footballgeneralmanager.wordpress.com/
Wow...could the hint about OOTP football be true and is actually connected to this general manager football game? The developer commented in the OOTP thread, really seems like there might be a connection. FCole the developer remarked about some announcement on January 31st which is around the SB. If I am a betting man, OOTP is going to hook up with this guy to deliver the OOTP football game...if so, awesome!
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/general-discussions/240115-possible-football-game-coming-ootp-devs.html#post3633501
that it's a game Iwould be all over
Quote from: JudgeDredd on January 27, 2014, 06:04:57 PM
that it's a game Iwould be all over
For the first time, I am starting to believe it just might happen.....my only hope is it doesn't turn into a disaster like their hockey game:(
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 27, 2014, 08:27:50 AM
This is my most anticipated American football game that seems to have fundamental player movement on the screen.....hoping it turns out well.
http://footballgeneralmanager.wordpress.com/
Yeah, that one definitely looked encouraging when I first saw it. Wonder how long before we see it in a decent working state, however. A year? Two?
I'm pretty sure OOTP 1(?) was rough round the edges as was likely the first iteration of Football Manager. If they keep at Hockey Manager it'll be as cool (pun intended) as OOTP 14 is - and the same with any other sport they decide to break into (RUGBY!!! IS ANYONE LISTENING?)
I'm with Judge on the future of the hockey sim. Give it a few iterations to shake out the bugs.
Quote from: Bison on January 28, 2014, 04:01:09 AM
I'm with Judge on the future of the hockey sim. Give it a few iterations to shake out the bugs.
My issue with the hockey game isn't because it was the first release, knowing that it needed time to evolve. I bought into the beta day one. The problem I have is the developers made a horrible decision in releasing the game in the state it was. Just was plain broken in many areas and they knew that since it was broken during the beta. As of today, still not really playable, although they continue to work on it. If they would have left the game in beta until stable I would have a totally different opinion, plus, they tried to put too much into it for a first release, should have stuck to the fundamentals.
Since I love hockey I wanted it to succeed badly and hope someday it reaches it's potential. I know some games get released with some bugs, but this was over the top and they knew it.
Screenshots available
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/ootp-15-general-discussions/240357-first-ootp-15-screenshots.html
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on February 02, 2014, 05:44:28 PM
Screenshots available
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/ootp-15-general-discussions/240357-first-ootp-15-screenshots.html
The FaceGen player faces look better in this one. More like a painting, which is better than the sometimes scary or malformed oddities that looked a bit too digitally randomized and morphed in the previous ones.
I just wish they would add an advisor that could help us non-baseballers understand what to do and what to be on the lookout of in the different screen, just so we could learn the ropes. I have OOTP 13 and must confess I start it up, presses a few buttons and then go meh.
So a button that analyzed the current screen regarding the up comming match, what to think about etc :)
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/02/03/superior-bowl-beyond-the-sideline-football/#comments
has this been mentioned?
Quote from: undercovergeek on February 03, 2014, 10:08:38 AM
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/02/03/superior-bowl-beyond-the-sideline-football/#comments
has this been mentioned?
Yep:)
http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=9154.0
So I think tomorrow is last day for ootp pre orders, anyone take the plunge? Still on the fence myself.
Quote from: CptHowdy on January 27, 2014, 06:53:32 AM
Quote from: spelk on January 27, 2014, 03:27:04 AM
Not necessarily 3d, but some visual representation really helps me to monitor the progress of the game and to encourage an enthusiastic investment in the plays made - rather than just simming it and have the results land. I've been dabbling with Basketball sims recently, and have Basketball Management Pro 2014 on Steam, now whilst the game seems to have an unusual front end - along with long load times, it does have a 2d representation of the game - and it really sucks you in - its reminiscient of the early 2d plays from Football Manager (previously Championship Manager - before its name was stolen away). I've been trying to find another Basketball management game that just has a better slicker interface and a bigger fan community - but I just can't find one that gives you the pleasure of a 2d simulation. :(
This resurgence in sports sims has me dabble in OOTP14 (and I have only a vague interest in baseball from years ago), along with a search for the similar 2d representation for American Football. Yep, I'm a Brit who prefers American Football to normal football (soccer)! Again, I'm struggling to find an NFL simulator that gives me some visual representation of the plays so I can become more emotionally invested/excited as the game is simmed.
I remember talking with a friend who was involved with Football Manager development, and early on, the general opinion from fans was that they didn't need any graphical cues, because the textual information was enough. Then FM evolved to include 2d representation. The fans opinion being that this was enough to fine tune your team and strategy from the feedback in the 2d plays. FM wasn't going 3d ever, because the fans didn't want it! Now FM has evolved further to take on 3d and I think it doesn't suffer from this level of visual stimuli for the manager. Keep it as a choice and then you won't alienate the different play requirements from your playerbase.
have you checked out wolverine studios? they have pro and college basketball management games. i have version 2 of each but think they are on 3 now. i haven't upgraded as i am just not a basketball guy but i do enjoy the management aspect of the games.
Also Grey Dog Software now sells the Fast Break series which has been around for quite a while.
No - not me. I picked up 14 and I normally go every two or even third iteration
Quote from: vyshka on February 15, 2014, 12:25:02 AM
Quote from: CptHowdy on January 27, 2014, 06:53:32 AM
Quote from: spelk on January 27, 2014, 03:27:04 AM
Not necessarily 3d, but some visual representation really helps me to monitor the progress of the game and to encourage an enthusiastic investment in the plays made - rather than just simming it and have the results land. I've been dabbling with Basketball sims recently, and have Basketball Management Pro 2014 on Steam, now whilst the game seems to have an unusual front end - along with long load times, it does have a 2d representation of the game - and it really sucks you in - its reminiscient of the early 2d plays from Football Manager (previously Championship Manager - before its name was stolen away). I've been trying to find another Basketball management game that just has a better slicker interface and a bigger fan community - but I just can't find one that gives you the pleasure of a 2d simulation. :(
This resurgence in sports sims has me dabble in OOTP14 (and I have only a vague interest in baseball from years ago), along with a search for the similar 2d representation for American Football. Yep, I'm a Brit who prefers American Football to normal football (soccer)! Again, I'm struggling to find an NFL simulator that gives me some visual representation of the plays so I can become more emotionally invested/excited as the game is simmed.
I remember talking with a friend who was involved with Football Manager development, and early on, the general opinion from fans was that they didn't need any graphical cues, because the textual information was enough. Then FM evolved to include 2d representation. The fans opinion being that this was enough to fine tune your team and strategy from the feedback in the 2d plays. FM wasn't going 3d ever, because the fans didn't want it! Now FM has evolved further to take on 3d and I think it doesn't suffer from this level of visual stimuli for the manager. Keep it as a choice and then you won't alienate the different play requirements from your playerbase.
have you checked out wolverine studios? they have pro and college basketball management games. i have version 2 of each but think they are on 3 now. i haven't upgraded as i am just not a basketball guy but i do enjoy the management aspect of the games.
Also Grey Dog Software now sells the Fast Break series which has been around for quite a while.
I actually like the fast break series much better than wolverine....wolverines games always seem unstable and the developer seems to disappear for long periods of time.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on February 15, 2014, 03:35:03 AM
No - not me. I picked up 14 and I normally go every two or even third iteration
That's what is holding me back, not sure if this years version has enough new stuff plus it seems it takes a patch or 2 where the new game gets the kinks worked out. I was also surprised the discount was only $5, not much of an incentive either.
I took the plunge. Although I'm not expecting 15 to be a major advancement over 14, even with the 3-D stadiums. 14 is at the moment an amazing game that I'm sure will hold up well for another year or two.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on February 15, 2014, 05:51:20 AM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on February 15, 2014, 03:35:03 AM
No - not me. I picked up 14 and I normally go every two or even third iteration
That's what is holding me back, not sure if this years version has enough new stuff plus it seems it takes a patch or 2 where the new game gets the kinks worked out. I was also surprised the discount was only $5, not much of an incentive either.
I'm pretty sure they always have a half-price sale somewhere late in the baseball season. If I get this year's version, it probably won't be until then.
If for some reason they don't follow tradition and do so this year, I'll just wait until next. I have #14 and it will suffice until then.
My problem is, when I start to see other people playing with a shiny new toy, I will end up breaking down and buying it, not being able to wait for a sale:)
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on February 15, 2014, 05:48:59 AM
Quote from: vyshka on February 15, 2014, 12:25:02 AM
Quote from: CptHowdy on January 27, 2014, 06:53:32 AM
Quote from: spelk on January 27, 2014, 03:27:04 AM
Not necessarily 3d, but some visual representation really helps me to monitor the progress of the game and to encourage an enthusiastic investment in the plays made - rather than just simming it and have the results land. I've been dabbling with Basketball sims recently, and have Basketball Management Pro 2014 on Steam, now whilst the game seems to have an unusual front end - along with long load times, it does have a 2d representation of the game - and it really sucks you in - its reminiscient of the early 2d plays from Football Manager (previously Championship Manager - before its name was stolen away). I've been trying to find another Basketball management game that just has a better slicker interface and a bigger fan community - but I just can't find one that gives you the pleasure of a 2d simulation. :(
This resurgence in sports sims has me dabble in OOTP14 (and I have only a vague interest in baseball from years ago), along with a search for the similar 2d representation for American Football. Yep, I'm a Brit who prefers American Football to normal football (soccer)! Again, I'm struggling to find an NFL simulator that gives me some visual representation of the plays so I can become more emotionally invested/excited as the game is simmed.
I remember talking with a friend who was involved with Football Manager development, and early on, the general opinion from fans was that they didn't need any graphical cues, because the textual information was enough. Then FM evolved to include 2d representation. The fans opinion being that this was enough to fine tune your team and strategy from the feedback in the 2d plays. FM wasn't going 3d ever, because the fans didn't want it! Now FM has evolved further to take on 3d and I think it doesn't suffer from this level of visual stimuli for the manager. Keep it as a choice and then you won't alienate the different play requirements from your playerbase.
have you checked out wolverine studios? they have pro and college basketball management games. i have version 2 of each but think they are on 3 now. i haven't upgraded as i am just not a basketball guy but i do enjoy the management aspect of the games.
Also Grey Dog Software now sells the Fast Break series which has been around for quite a while.
I actually like the fast break series much better than wolverine....wolverines games always seem unstable and the developer seems to disappear for long periods of time.
Do you know if Grey Dog supports their games? I popped into the forums and it is really dead.
I have seen support provided mostly in this thread on the fofc forum.
http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=86920
You can also try the developers primary site
http://fbbgames.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=33&sid=22cc4c34dc941c300ecf41ab33d16c87
I don't thing greydog does anything besides sell it....
well, as usual, I caved and pre-ordered....started to play around with version 14 last night and kind of got hooked on it a bit:) Figured if I was going to buy it anyway, might as well save a few dollars, plus I realized you also get the steam version with it, which I will like for all the patching and such.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on February 16, 2014, 07:18:40 AM
well, as usual, I caved and pre-ordered....started to play around with version 14 last night and kind of got hooked on it a bit:) Figured if I was going to buy it anyway, might as well save a few dollars, plus I realized you also get the steam version with it, which I will like for all the patching and such.
One of the great things about OOTP is that you can move your entire current game into the new version. I've done that since OOTP 7 and have never had a problem.
Quote from: bbmike on February 16, 2014, 08:21:53 AM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on February 16, 2014, 07:18:40 AM
well, as usual, I caved and pre-ordered....started to play around with version 14 last night and kind of got hooked on it a bit:) Figured if I was going to buy it anyway, might as well save a few dollars, plus I realized you also get the steam version with it, which I will like for all the patching and such.
One of the great things about OOTP is that you can move your entire current game into the new version. I've done that since OOTP 7 and have never had a problem.
I have always been concerned in doing that since how does the older season deal with new features introduced?
Quote from: sandman2575 on February 16, 2014, 08:26:15 AM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on February 16, 2014, 07:18:40 AM
well, as usual, I caved and pre-ordered....
Good man! 8)
I am just weak:(. Hopefully I at least win the sweepstakes for the iPad:)
I honestly was disappointed to see only a $5 cut in price, especially since I have purchased every year. I almost gave in, but have decided to wait and see.
PE
Quote from: PanzersEast on February 24, 2014, 07:50:01 PM
I honestly was disappointed to see only a $5 cut in price, especially since I have purchased every year. I almost gave in, but have decided to wait and see.
PE
They always have a mid- or late- season sale. I think it's during the call-ups or some such seasonal milestone. Actually, I think there are a couple seasonal events where they put it on sale. Last year it was half off IIRC.
I'm sure they plan on catching the fence sitters before the end of the season when everyone will start looking forward to next year's.
^ yep - a couple of sales each year for the new version and iirc it's half price.
I thought they did the 50% off sale for 14 as early as the All Star break last year -- of course, my addled mind may be playing tricks on me --
Quote from: sandman2575 on February 25, 2014, 09:41:34 AM
I thought they did the 50% off sale for 14 as early as the All Star break last year -- of course, my addled mind may be playing tricks on me --
Yes, that was one of them!
Now that OOTP is on Steam.. does it still use that damn online activation crap?
Or did they not get OOTP15 on Steam after 14?
Quote from: Nefaro on February 25, 2014, 01:59:21 PM
Now that OOTP is on Steam.. does it still use that damn online activation crap?
Or did they not get OOTP15 on Steam after 14?
It will be on Steam too...if you pre-ordered, you got a steam key and can download from OOTP directly. Both methods will be supported.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on February 25, 2014, 05:51:24 PM
Quote from: Nefaro on February 25, 2014, 01:59:21 PM
Now that OOTP is on Steam.. does it still use that damn online activation crap?
Or did they not get OOTP15 on Steam after 14?
It will be on Steam too...if you pre-ordered, you got a steam key and can download from OOTP directly. Both methods will be supported.
So the Steam version doesn't have the online activation?
I've not had problems with OOTP's online activation system. It seems to be pretty solid and relatively hassle-free but you can never rule out Murphy. If something can go wrong it probably will for me, at some point. Plus I don't like such limited installs on principle.
Quote from: Nefaro on February 25, 2014, 05:55:23 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on February 25, 2014, 05:51:24 PM
Quote from: Nefaro on February 25, 2014, 01:59:21 PM
Now that OOTP is on Steam.. does it still use that damn online activation crap?
Or did they not get OOTP15 on Steam after 14?
It will be on Steam too...if you pre-ordered, you got a steam key and can download from OOTP directly. Both methods will be supported.
So the Steam version doesn't have the online activation?
I've not had problems with OOTP's online activation system. It seems to be pretty solid and relatively hassle-free but you can never rule out Murphy. If something can go wrong it probably will for me, at some point. Plus I don't like such limited installs on principle.
Not sure, never bought past steam version....but my guess would be no since they clearly said we would get a steam key...seems odd to both get a key and still have to activate...but I can't confirm 100%.