Israel

[Jarhead0331]

Do it yourself independent analysis.

[al_infierno]

Speaking of sleeper cells, lets not forget the deadliest terrorist attack in US history until 9/11 was committed by a white supremacist domestic terrorist. There are plenty of next generation Timothy McVeighs residing in this country. It could happen again.

Don't worry. Fortunately, the FBI and every other federal agency in the country is devoting the vast majority of their resources to saving the world from the grave threat of white conservative males. Thank God for that. 

I'm sure you're being intentionally obtuse, but there's a pretty big difference between "white conservative males" and the domestic terrorists Groggy alluded to - which absolutely exist and just as much a threat to our society as foreign terrorists crossing our borders.

Just off hand, any time certain Twitter personalities tweet about grade schools daring to teach kids that gay and trans people exist, said schools receive bomb threats.  That's not conservatism, that's domestic terrorism.

EDIT - Adding to this that it's not specifically a right-wing domestic terror thing.  Leftist terrorists who threaten Christians, for example, are also just as much a threat as the latter two mentioned categories.

[Jarhead0331]

Speaking of sleeper cells, lets not forget the deadliest terrorist attack in US history until 9/11 was committed by a white supremacist domestic terrorist. There are plenty of next generation Timothy McVeighs residing in this country. It could happen again.

Don't worry. Fortunately, the FBI and every other federal agency in the country is devoting the vast majority of their resources to saving the world from the grave threat of white conservative males. Thank God for that. 

I'm sure you're being intentionally obtuse, but there's a pretty big difference between "white conservative males" and the domestic terrorists Groggy alluded to - which absolutely exist and just as much a threat to our society as foreign terrorists crossing our borders.

Just off hand, any time certain Twitter personalities tweet about grade schools daring to teach kids that gay and trans people exist, said schools receive bomb threats.  That's not conservatism, that's domestic terrorism.

EDIT - Adding to this that it's not specifically a right-wing domestic terror thing.  Leftist terrorists who threaten Christians, for example, are also just as much a threat as the latter two mentioned categories.

Listen, Groggy took an opportunity to try to draw another false equivalency, like many in the media are doing to distract from the evil that is Hamas. Unfortunately, I fell for the bait. Let's stay focused on the actual and credible threats which are related to the ones that triggered the regional war that we're discussing in this thread, shall we?

[Gusington]

With all the proof and logic in the world showing that rocket hitting the Gaza hospital was in fact a Hamas rocket...it still won't matter.

[Jarhead0331]

This is Hamas. The world must see so they cannot deny. That so many are in the streets around the world supporting this literally breaks my heart. I cannot wrap my mind around it.

[GDS_Starfury]

It only took 9 to pull-off 9/11. All were in country illegally as I recall. That's why I worry about Sleeper Cells.

unsurprisingly you're once again completely wrong.  they all had passports and visas.  4 of them were going to flight school.  two of them were even living with an FBI informant.  I keep telling you to read more but you seem allergic to facts and accurate information.

[Gusington]

There were also 19 hijackers, not 9.

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-announces-list-of-19-hijackers

[acctingman]

This is Hamas. The world must see so they cannot deny. That so many are in the streets around the world supporting this literally breaks my heart. I cannot wrap my mind around it.

that's probably the most shocking footage I've ever seen. I hope every single one of those animals die a horrible dearth.

[Jarhead0331]

It only took 9 to pull-off 9/11. All were in country illegally as I recall. That's why I worry about Sleeper Cells.

unsurprisingly you're once again completely wrong.  they all had passports and visas.  4 of them were going to flight school.  two of them were even living with an FBI informant.  I keep telling you to read more but you seem allergic to facts and accurate information.

...and you're also wrong. Perhaps you should take your own advice and read more?

Four of the hijackers passports survived in whole or in part. Two of the passports were clearly doctored and were manipulated in a fraudulent way. Fifteen of the hijackers passports did not survive. So firm factual statements cannot be made about them. Beginning in 1997, the 19 hijackers submitted 24 visa applications, 23 of which were granted. However, none were issued in the US and all of the applications were incomplete and/or contained demonstrably fraudulent information. All of the visas were tourist visas. none of them were changed to student visas. This is relevant for the student pilots who violated federal law by not applying for the change. 

The director of the FBI testified that considered collectively, the 9/11 hijackers:

1. included among them known al Qaeda operatives who could have been watchlisted
2. presented passports "manipulated in a fraudulent manner"
3. Presented passports with "suspicious indicators" of extremism
4. Made detectable false statements on their visa applications
5. Were pulled out of the travel stream and given greater scrutiny by border officials
6. Made false statements to border officials to gain entry to the US
7. Violated immigration laws while inside the US.

[GDS_Starfury]

[GDS_Starfury]

..and you're also wrong. Perhaps you should take your own advice and read more?

fair enough
was this what you pulled up?

https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/staff_statements/staff_statement_1.pdf

my point still stands that they had visas and were let in the country and didn't get here by crossing the Rio Grande.

[Jarhead0331]

..and you're also wrong. Perhaps you should take your own advice and read more?

fair enough
was this what you pulled up?

https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/staff_statements/staff_statement_1.pdf

my point still stands that they had visas and were let in the country and didn't get here by crossing the Rio Grande.

One of a few sources I reviewed to get the full picture.

Bottom line for me is that there is no black and white in these things. There are no simple or basic answers. Its always complicated. Certainly true that they didn't cross the border, but when they came here, the border situation was entirely different, so your point, is both inconsequential and irrelevant.

The only simple thing for me is that Hamas is evil and it is so stunning to me that a mixture of academia and the media have managed to brainwash a substantial portion of nearly an entire generation into not seeing this simple unassailable truth.

[GDS_Starfury]

this is supposedly the impact crater of the explosion that killed 500 people....

[al_infierno]

^ Clearly those were 500 clowns packed into those burned out cars.  The Palestinian comedy community may never recover...

[GDS_Starfury]

so your point, is both inconsequential and irrelevant.

just responding to Slash about immigration in a thread about Israel because thats where someone drove the conversation...